Sculpts you love but most other people seem to hate?

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**nataliereed1984**

I bet one thing we can ALL agree on was that metal was definitely better than resin in every single way except for converting or weight-imbalance (looking at YOU, Abaddon, Penitent Engine, Hydra, etc!).

**ArcaneHorror**

bocatt wrote:Jokes on you, I've come here *specifically* to bring up mono pose minis that I love. Some of the worst offenders in probably GW's history. Kranon the Relentless and Draznicht's Ravagers. These are some of my favorite models ever. They all look totally freaking sweet. They came at a time, the release of 6th, when the Chaos Lord with plasma pistol and daemon blade had an absurd chance to instagib himself and brought little in the way of contribution, and Chosen were a toolbox special weapons unit where "Draznicht's Ravagers" didn't have a unique list entry and we're just confused bizarre melee Chosen with no purpose in life. I mean really, a pair of lightning claws, a powerfist, a power maul, a power sword, a power axe and two dudes with no dual weapons for extra attacks?? These dudes were *expressly* created with the intention of showcasing just how absolutely inane the power weapon rules of 6th and 7th could be. They only thing they lacked was a "power spear" or "Lance" which would have just been a poetically disgusting cherry on a gak cake.

But God do I love them. They were some of my first ever in my life 40k models. I never got to paint them when I first bought them as I was a teen and stupid, however I've recently bought a set second hand (right before GW announce the one week only made to order Dark Vengeance blitz) that I hope to finally do them the justice they never deserved in 6th but deserve from my older steadier hands now.

I personally think that the model for Kranon is one of the best CSM models ever, as well as the one with the single horn and the one with the long tongue. The biological armor details on them are awesome. The only complaint that I have is that Draznicht himself should have been wearing his cool helmet, not holding it in his hands.

**harlokin**

nataliereed1984 wrote:
I bet one thing we can ALL agree on was that metal was definitely better than resin in every single way except for converting or weight-imbalance (looking at YOU, Abaddon, Penitent Engine, Hydra, etc!).

Not for me. I found the Leviathan Dreadnought to be a hugely enjoyable kit to assemble, and the resin quality was great. It would have been awful in metal.

**TheAvengingKnee**

harlokin wrote:
nataliereed1984 wrote:
I bet one thing we can ALL agree on was that metal was definitely better than resin in every single way except for converting or weight-imbalance (looking at YOU, Abaddon, Penitent Engine, Hydra, etc!).

Not for me. I found the Leviathan Dreadnought to be a hugely enjoyable kit to assemble, and the resin quality was great. It would have been awful in metal.

I was surprised how easy he Levi was to build and magnetize when I made mine a few weeks ago, really nice model and it looks pretty good on the table.

**Nazrak**

harlokin wrote:
nataliereed1984 wrote:
I bet one thing we can ALL agree on was that metal was definitely better than resin in every single way except for converting or weight-imbalance (looking at YOU, Abaddon, Penitent Engine, Hydra, etc!).

Not for me. I found the Leviathan Dreadnought to be a hugely enjoyable kit to assemble, and the resin quality was great. It would have been awful in metal.

I think the key difference is that the Leviathan was designed as a resin kit to begin with. A lot of people’s beef with resin seems to stem from their first experience of it being stuff (as in the other examples above) that was originally designed for, and cast in, metal, but then ported across to resin during the Finecast era, regardless of its suitability as a medium.

**Elbows**

When someone says "metal is better than resin", they're never talking about big vehicle kits (in which case plastic is infinitely better than resin as well...). They're talking about infantry models.

**Sgt. Cortez**

When people are talking about bad resin they usually have failcast in mind, not forgeworld, which is okay. Failcast is the worst resin on the market, much smaller companies than GW produce much better resin, which is kind of ironic. The best resin minis I have are from Wargame Exclusive and Anvil industry.
If there is a failcast mini that has been released in metal before, I'd never get the failcast mini.

**Elbows**

Forgeworld is maybe "okay", and still subpar compared to almost every other resin manufacturer I've purchased from. I recall an article some years ago explaining that Forgeworld is still using a method of resin casting that is more or less old school and not used by other companies today, hence their rather spotty quality.

I remember this being the case in the early 2000's though as well, when they had that bizarre "grey mustard" colour. The quality was gak then too, but aftermarket 40K stuff wasn't yet in vogue so it was still "amazeballs" if you showed up with Forgeworld crap - even rhino doors with a Space Wolf head on them, etc.

I still avoid resin for gaming miniatures when possible (which isn't always the case). As someone who's been gaming for 25+ years they simply don't hold up under heavy gaming, particularly if you're running convention games where unknown people (read: children) are handling your miniatures, etc.

I don't mind thick resin bits, say add-ons for tanks, etc. But basic figures? Pass when possible. I have some W. Artel minis I got recently as a gift and I'm hesitant to even assemble them

**Excommunicatus**

It is probably over-egging the pudding to say that "everyone hates them", but there does seem to be significant opposition to the Slaanesh Daemons line of minis, which I happen to personally think are GW's best line...

**pm713**

nataliereed1984 wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:

Are you saying that everything ancient Norse pagans came up with was cool and none of it could possibly have looked ludicrous? Goat chariot? Clouds made of giant brains?

Noooo… I'm pretty sure they're just saying that the "Santa" jokes can get a bit old sometimes.

I can attest that about 70% of what drives me away from Space Wolves is the community making the awful jokes.

**Darian Aarush**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Ahem, cough, hack, spit.

(Clears throat)

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Sly Marbo.

I'm with ya! Great model.

**Eldenfirefly**

I love my Khorne Lord of Skulls model. Yet, I have seen a fair number of people online who hate it. And some even go as far as to put the top onto a knight legs to make it into a Kytan ravager. But personally, I love the look. I only tinkered a bit with the back, otherwise, I hardly changed it much and I love it.

Its a super recognisable model and always draws comment when I bring it to a tabletop. Its such a great centerpiece model for me.

**Arbitrator**

Cadian Infantry/Heavy Weapon Squads I think have aged very well for a sixteen year old kit, but these days you do see a lot of people call them ugly.

Maulerfiend/Forgefiend is a good example of a Chaos Marine model that's not just Loyalist... WITH SPIKES but seems to get hate.

I'm fond Tzaangors, but I can never tell if people dislike them because of the models or because they only want their infantry in power armour.

I hate the Invictor Warsuit as a Space Marine model, but I quite like the kit itself. The simple reason being it obviously hearkens to similar suits in Avatar, so if it was a Guard (or GSC) kit I'd be onboard.

**the_scotsman**

Arbitrator wrote:
Cadian Infantry/Heavy Weapon Squads I think have aged very well for a sixteen year old kit, but these days you do see a lot of people call them ugly.

Maulerfiend/Forgefiend is a good example of a Chaos Marine model that's not just Loyalist... WITH SPIKES but seems to get hate.

I'm fond Tzaangors, but I can never tell if people dislike them because of the models or because they only want their infantry in power armour.

I hate the Invictor Warsuit as a Space Marine model, but I quite like the kit itself. The simple reason being it obviously hearkens to similar suits in Avatar, so if it was a Guard (or GSC) kit I'd be onboard.

I also like Tzaangors (what I don't like about them is that they're 45$ for 10, and Kairic Acolytes have the same weapons, same bases, and are similarly sized and themed but are 50$ for 20....) but I feel like they would not have seen any of the backlash they did if they were actually a supporting element for the Thousand Sons instead of a troops choice that shoved the actual Thousand Sons out of the Thousand Sons army book bodily when they dropped.

A lot of the hate is just leftover from that. Basically, Tzaangors outclassed Rubrics and Cultists as well as allied Horrors on release, Tzaangor Enlightened outclassed Screamers (and still do) which many people had allied in to their Tsons stuff, and the Shaman outclassed the Exalted and Regular Sorceror by being cheaper, an elite slot vs the HQ slot that was crowded with Ahriman and DPs, and having a special psychic power reroll ability.

I've never seen hate for their models, just that they were basically pitched at existing Tsons players as "now your army must look like goatmen to be effective!"