A minor thing "blocking" you from collecting/ starting an army

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**SamusDrake**

captain collius wrote:
I want Nids. I do not want to spend that much money or time. If I end up having the money I may buy a fully painted army but until then which will never happen I will wait. To be quite honest I have two expensive hobbies my cars and models

Have you considered Tyranids for Kill Team? That would be a great way to build up to full-on 40K without breaking the bank in one go, and the low model count really helps to get started quickly. A box of Genestealers is all you need, but should you need that little extra sparkle(or slobber, in this case), add a Lictor or two.

Tyranids also have some money-saving kits which aren't immediately obvious...

1) 5-pack Termies for £6. £12 and you have a troop unit. The kit for 12 models is £20...
2) Warriors for £32.50. With a little sculpting, one can squeeze a forth model out of this kit, providing 1 Prime and 3 Warriors. Thats a minimum patrol detachment out of the box.
3) Swarm Lord for £35. I'm looking into this one, but it appears that if you can sculpt a substitute for the upper-body carapace, one can make both the Swarm Lord AND the Hive tyrant from a single kit.

...for painting choose two colours that can be covered with the same wash. I'm using Zandri-Dust and "Jungle Green", with a wash of dark green. Very quick and effective. Sorted!

**captain collius**

SamusDrake wrote:
captain collius wrote:
I want Nids. I do not want to spend that much money or time. If I end up having the money I may buy a fully painted army but until then which will never happen I will wait. To be quite honest I have two expensive hobbies my cars and models

Have you considered Tyranids for Kill Team? That would be a great way to build up to full-on 40K without breaking the bank in one go, and the low model count really helps to get started quickly. A box of Genestealers is all you need, but should you need that little extra sparkle(or slobber, in this case), add a Lictor or two.

Tyranids also have some money-saving kits which aren't immediately obvious...

1) 5-pack Termies for £6. £12 and you have a troop unit. The kit for 12 models is £20...
2) Warriors for £32.50. With a little sculpting, one can squeeze a forth model out of this kit, providing 1 Prime and 3 Warriors. Thats a minimum patrol detachment out of the box.
3) Swarm Lord for £35. I'm looking into this one, but it appears that if you can sculpt a substitute for the upper-body carapace, one can make both the Swarm Lord AND the Hive tyrant from a single kit.

...for painting choose two colours that can be covered with the same wash. I'm using Zandri-Dust and "Jungle Green", with a wash of dark green. Very quick and effective. Sorted!

Thanks for the ideas. Cheers

**Psionara**

Four words: money and decision making. As a person who has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, it is really hard to make a decision and stick with it. I swap out boxes of certain armies and then change on a dime because I feel like I have to have it all, but I know that I can only have one to two armies, of which I have firmly decided after years: SM and CSM. If I had to choose again, I'd pick Astra Militarum and/or Herectus Militarum, just to balance out my other two armies.

**Eipi10**

I don't think I will ever play non-special marines (all except DW and GK) so long as doctrines stay exclusive to pure marine armies. I love armies that show different tiers of units, contrasting custodes and skitarri or fire warriors and battlesuits or cultists and CSM terminators is one of the most fulfilling parts of a battle for me, it highlights the scale of 40k in the most tangible way possible. You don't get that with mono marine armies. Sure, gravis marines are tougher than intercessors, but it's not like one is a full order of magnitude stronger than the other. Meganobz, on the other hand, are an order of magnitude tougher than gretchin.

As a side note, this is why I disagree with people who are against soup armies, especially imperial soup, who is often the target of "soup is OP" complaints. Most Imperium armies don't have good access to all the points the GEQ, MEQ, BattlesuitEQ, RhinoEQ, and KnightEQ spectrum. Non-imperium armies, even if their range is small, typically have greater unit tier diversity than any one imperial army. I think guard and DE are the biggest exceptions.

**BrianDavion**

Psionara wrote:
Four words: money and decision making. As a person who has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, it is really hard to make a decision and stick with it. I swap out boxes of certain armies and then change on a dime because I feel like I have to have it all, but I know that I can only have one to two armies, of which I have firmly decided after years: SM and CSM. If I had to choose again, I'd pick Astra Militarum and/or Herectus Militarum, just to balance out my other two armies.

I can relate, chooseing just one or two armies can be a rough decision.

**Fifty**

The only thing stopping me is time.

I have enough money to buy most of the models I want, I just don't have time to get it all painted. For example, I splurged on a LOT of GSC models when they came out and they are pretty much all still on sprues

**leopard**

Main issues here are a combination of time (I have a huge backlog of models for many systems) and there not really being a faction I want that I don't actually have

there was a third, which was a killer, which was the number of models you need before you can actually play, however locally we have dropped to circa 750-1000 point games which pretty much mitigates this nicely

incidentally also makes the game a lot more interesting and changes which factions are good around a bit - result was a few new armies being started locally as well

Slightly Tempted with Eldar though, used to have them, if time ever permits I may have them again

**nataliereed1984**

Overread wrote:

It's utterly impossible to predict what models will stay and what will be replaced, especially for AoS which has bucked the trend right from launch for standard GW practice.
Cities is also very hard to predict for because whilst I have no doubt that it will stick around, its very hard to tell if GW is going to keep Cities as a 100% single army with different theme forces with; or if they'll steadily redesign the different races and factions to have some similar design asthetics (right now they are VERY different from each other); or even if they do what they've done with Legions of Nagash which is steadily splitting out parts of itself into new armies (noting that Legions of Nagash has remained as a single army unto itself through this process).

I really have no clue. I would say that many of the Cities models left are not all that old and are still good quality for many factions. So a good few I would expect to hang around for a fairly long time. Anything finecast is up for replacement. However I've still no idea what GW would do nor any ability to predict what they might.

What I'd "like" to see if GW steadily update old armies with replacement new sculpts (Seraphon and Skaven have huge legacy ranges that could do with an update to modern plastics); whilst armies like Flesheaters, Daughters of Khaine etc... I'd like to see get a handful of more models to really flesh them out into larger and more diverse armies with more of an identity to themselves. That's what I'd like to see for the current armies, but I've no way of knowing if GW agrees nor the timescale they might work with.

In the end I don't expect to see AoS 2.0 armies retired, I see the 2.0 launch as afirming up of the range as a regular army system from GW. That means new models; replacments for old models and the occasional loss of a model which will likely come alongside a new model.

As you're thinking of starting in 2021 I'd say nab any really iconic models you love the look of, especially if they are in metal or finecast; but otherwise I wouldn't worry too much and woudl see what the future entails when you get there.

Sorry I didn't see this until just now, but thank you for your answer!

Merry Christmas, should you be celebrating. :-)

P.S. In a really weird way, it actually makes me bizarrely happy that GW still sells the Skaven Clan Skryre Acolyte / Grenadier model I got back for Christmas '96/'97... obviously that's totally irrational, and the model is INCREDIBLY overpriced, but nostalgia

with your head, you know? And it's still an adorable little rat boi in a gas mask. E8>

**Overread**

Skaven metals have some really fantastic charm to them - even some of the really old stuff like their earlier jezzails still stand up really well detail and quality wise to modern stuff.

**nataliereed1984**

Overread wrote:
Skaven metals have some really fantastic charm to them - even some of the really old stuff like their earlier jezzails still stand up really well detail and quality wise to modern stuff.

Absolutely! I also had one of the old metal warpthrowers, an assassin, and a set of clanrat champions I remember very very warmly, though the latter two are no longer available.

IMO, the more "high-tech" Skaven sculpts from the 90s have aged the best (and aged extraordinarily well compared to other metal minis of the same era!).

**bocatt**

I think what stops me 99% of the time is lore.

I love Grey *Knights* models. Shiny Space Chevaliers with buckets and wrist cannons and halberds and zweihanders and big holy flamers and Gatling guns? Yes PLEASE. But man do they SUCK. Just grade A jerkbags. Can't stand how they act.

Thousand Sons are in a similar boat. They're neat. They have some fun bitz, cool weapons, the paint is pleasing both pre and post heresy but it seems like just about every single last one of them is the sniveling cretin that sneers "wELL, aCTUALLY" when you make a mistake.

Craftworlders ditto

Adeptus Mechanicus are a really hard one to pin down for me. I think it's a combination of two little nags I have. One is the in-fiction schism between emotion and logic. Mirrored in the Iron Hands space marines. It's a weird kind of dichotomy that I think is relatively nonsensical. Both can mutually coexist, and I think the argument is rooted in the real world notion that to debate someone logically you must be devoid of emotion which is bs and discriminatory. Second and tangentially related, is the lack of female models that are quite frequently present in the lore/novels.

Drukhari are another one that I love the models and can't quite put a finger on why I hold off on collecting any.

I can echo the Harlequins painting woe. I'll make a kill team eventually. I'll probably paint them my own scheme that's not so time consuming, and maybe make an army of them. Or a detachment or whatever.

I've collected Tyranids and I miss them, but they are a bit hard to love narratively speaking.

Age of Sigmar is a whole other can of worms. Frogs dreaming up lizards on dinosaurs, metal vampire knights that cost 2 pints of blood in real money, sexy sexy aelfs, 80s Viking stereotypes, one very overstuffed imprisoned chaos God, some soulless walking treebark and of course, everyone's favorite egotistical mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon villain: Nagash.

**Overread**

nataliereed1984 wrote:
Overread wrote:
Skaven metals have some really fantastic charm to them - even some of the really old stuff like their earlier jezzails still stand up really well detail and quality wise to modern stuff.

Absolutely! I also had one of the old metal warpthrowers, an assassin, and a set of clanrat champions I remember very very warmly, though the latter two are no longer available.

IMO, the more "high-tech" Skaven sculpts from the 90s have aged the best (and aged extraordinarily well compared to other metal minis of the same era!).

Agreed, heck when Skaven were about to get their update I actually panicbought a load of their metals (as I assumed Skaven would lose a lot). The Master Engineer (Ikit Claw) is a model I've loved the look of for years. Of course GW didn't cut many and released the warpfire thrower too so I've eased off on panic; but yeah they've some really great metals. Oddly in contrast some of their earlier plastics like the rat ogres are not as great.

I think one thing Skaven are missing in the shift from metal to plastic is that with metal you can do more to show fur on the body; whilst with plastic it ends up more tufts here and there with paint being left to cover the smooth plastic pelt (which has resulted in some GW painters painting more "bare skin" skaven instead of properly furry rats)

**Excommunicatus**

SamusDrake wrote:
captain collius wrote:
I want Nids. I do not want to spend that much money or time. If I end up having the money I may buy a fully painted army but until then which will never happen I will wait. To be quite honest I have two expensive hobbies my cars and models

Have you considered Tyranids for Kill Team? That would be a great way to build up to full-on 40K without breaking the bank in one go, and the low model count really helps to get started quickly. A box of Genestealers is all you need, but should you need that little extra sparkle(or slobber, in this case), add a Lictor or two.

Tyranids also have some money-saving kits which aren't immediately obvious...

1) 5-pack Termies for £6. £12 and you have a troop unit. The kit for 12 models is £20...
2) Warriors for £32.50. With a little sculpting, one can squeeze a forth model out of this kit, providing 1 Prime and 3 Warriors. Thats a minimum patrol detachment out of the box.
3) Swarm Lord for £35. I'm looking into this one, but it appears that if you can sculpt a substitute for the upper-body carapace, one can make both the Swarm Lord AND the Hive tyrant from a single kit.

...for painting choose two colours that can be covered with the same wash. I'm using Zandri-Dust and "Jungle Green", with a wash of dark green. Very quick and effective. Sorted!

You don't even need to sculpt.

If you log onto Mr. Bezo's Retail Emporium, you can get enough oyumaru to make re-usable two-part molds big enough to make (GS/BS/whatever) copies of all those parts for less than $20 (CAD).

**Sumilidon**

The minor thing blocking me is 3 year old and currently in a destructive mood.

**SamusDrake**

Excommunicatus wrote:

You don't even need to sculpt.

If you log onto Mr. Bezo's Retail Emporium, you can get enough oyumaru to make re-usable two-part molds big enough to make (GS/BS/whatever) copies of all those parts for less than $20 (CAD).

Funny you mention that as its how I've done my current Warrior and considering casting a head and carapace for a Kill Team Ravener with a sculpted snake-body(still got plenty of left over pieces!).

Standard milliput is very affordable, but the casting is going to take a few tries to produce something useable. Depends on the person, but it might be better to just spend the time learning to sculpt, and you at least haven't got the hassles of casting(judging how much stuff to use, waiting for kettles to boil, and casting flash).

On the other hand, if one does casting, then learns sculpting they they'll know how to cast additional copys of their sculpts...

**Arcanis161**

Primarily a lack of space.

For the remaining reasons, In decending order of severity:

Black Legion: I would have to get blobs of cultists. And I mean every flavor of cultist model ever produced by GW, 40k, Fantasy, or otherwise, supplemented by the various Necromunda Gang models and the Blackstone Fortress models. Also painting all of that (well) would be a nightmare, and, given how slow I paint, would likely take years.

Admech: Are very complicated to paint, even the basic troops. These I'd lean more towards getting regardless (save for the space issue), as I have Emperor's Spears and they are supposed to be close buddies with an orbiting Forgeworld.

Tau: probably a very silly reason, but I really don't like all of the mech-suits. I want to play a super advanced mechanized force with Hammerheads, Piranhas, and Skyrays, not Gundams with infantry and drone support.

**nataliereed1984**

Arcanis161 wrote:

Admech: Are very complicated to paint, even the basic troops.

They're even hard to build. I feel like choosing them as my first army after being out of the hobby since the days of most Citadel miniatures only having 1- 3 components was QUITE the trial by fire, in terms of getting caught up!

**CadianGateTroll**

The biggest thing holding me back is the powercreep, and edition obsolescence, imbalanced rules to sell new models, stupid fluff I read about being reprinted in a codex or rule book. Please I just want the rules to play and not pay for useless fluff. Fluff belongs in a novel. 1d4chan does a better job with fluff compared to Matt ward.

**BrianDavion**

Sumilidon wrote:
The minor thing blocking me is 3 year old and currently in a destructive mood.

don't worry in a handful of years he'll be old eneugh that you can justify doubling your hobby budget so that he can get an army to play with you

**Eldarsif**

My backlog is currently blocking me.

I would also add that lines that are almost entirely in DO block me. I'd love to collect Cities of Sigmar, but since 90% of the line is in DO it makes it annoying to order to this little island in the north.

**SamusDrake**

CadianGateTroll wrote:
The biggest thing holding me back is the powercreep, and edition obsolescence, imbalanced rules to sell new models, stupid fluff I read about being reprinted in a codex or rule book. Please I just want the rules to play and not pay for useless fluff. Fluff belongs in a novel. 1d4chan does a better job with fluff compared to Matt ward.

Agreed!