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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/28 10:03:07
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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I just got the KT 2019 annual, and wanted to ask for some clarifications.
If I understood the rules correctly, I only get access to killteam tactics if my team is battleforged? And this means that every model must have the same FACTION KEYWORD? Having the same KEYWORD is not enough?
So, if I wanted to make a killteam consisting of T'au and Kroot forces, I'd lose battleforged status? Unless I only included that one BSF Kroot model as my kroots alonside an otherwise T'au team (as that model also has the same FACTION KEYWORD)? This is a bit odd considering combining T'au and Kroot is perfectly ok in 40K proper..
What about having T'au and kroot on the same roster, but only picking either T'au or Kroot to fight in a single mission? Does this allow battleforged or not?
All in all, making soup lists/rosters is not all that clear in my head in Kill Team. Any enlightenment on this subject would be appreciated!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/12/28 10:46:58
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/28 11:04:29
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Lord of the Fleet
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You're correct. Everyone in your team must have a faction keyword in common in order to be battleforged. Being battleforged is mandatory for matched play.
Most people only play with battleforged teams even for narrative missions because battleforged has more than the faction restriction. It is being battleforged that limits the number of gunners and imposes the points limit, etc. You should also note that if you aren't battleforged you get no CP at all which makes some narrative missions unwinnable.
In terms of adding kroot to a tau team, you can add the kroot character from BSF and elites gave Tau access to regular kroot carnivores. (you should note that the units in elites which aren't commanders are available in all game modes).
You cannot mix faction keyword on a matched play roster although you can mix sub-faction. To be honest, it wouldn't be a good idea anyway - you'd have drastically reduced flexibility.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/31 18:32:33
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kroot and Tau don't share a faction keyword.
Kill Team factions aren't the same as you might assume from 40k.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/31 21:14:25
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Lord of the Fleet
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DarknessEternal wrote:Kroot and Tau don't share a faction keyword.
Kill Team factions aren't the same as you might assume from 40k.
Except for kroot carnivores (of which there are two versions and one is Tau Empire) and Dahayk who has both Tau and Kroot faction keywords.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/05 19:01:01
Subject: Re:[KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Fixture of Dakka
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There is an exception to this with Genestealers - the faction keyword "tyranids" can be changed to "genestealer cult".
I'd be patient on this one as appart from one more substantial expansion for new units from heavy and fast attack choices in 40K, the other way is to begin including shared factions like Ynnari, Imperium and Chaos.
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Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/06 21:43:07
Subject: Re:[KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Lord of the Fleet
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SamusDrake wrote:There is an exception to this with Genestealers - the faction keyword "tyranids" can be changed to "genestealer cult".
I'd be patient on this one as appart from one more substantial expansion for new units from heavy and fast attack choices in 40K, the other way is to begin including shared factions like Ynnari, Imperium and Chaos.
There are a bunch of units that can have their faction changed - most of the primaris, for example.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for soup factions, there is nothing to suggest that will be a thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/07 00:09:02
Subject: Re:[KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Scott-S6 wrote:
There are a bunch of units that can have their faction changed - most of the primaris, for example.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for soup factions, there is nothing to suggest that will be a thing.
Not seeing other units able to change faction in the core rule book. I take it those are introduced in the expansions?
On the second point...apart from remaining units such as flying and heavy characters, I don't see what else they can do with Kill Team going forward, expansion wise. Its getting to the point where they'll have to introduce very minor vehicles and they said they weren't going down that route.
What is your thoughts on that, Scott?
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Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/07 09:46:36
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Vehicles won't work with their current 40K stats (vehicles in 8th are highly survivable against most weapons and access to effective weapons is very limited).
10x BS 3+, short range, no cover Krak missiles only has a 53% chance of reducing a Rhino to zero wounds. If vehicles got flesh wounds then it's even tougher.
The instruction for KT was to maintain parity with 40K wherever possible.
Introducing vehicles with their 40K stat would be a terrible move. I don't think they'll introduce them with alternative stats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/08 21:45:39
Subject: Re:[KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm glad we agree on vehicles on being a poor choice for Kill Team. although you have certainly outdone me with figures and even a chart!
I think the only "vehicles" we might see in Kill Team are Atalan Jackels, Craftworld Jetbikes and other fast attack units such as Scourages. We already have Raveners so I guess its only a matter of time until we see other such units.
Oh, I did overlook the Deathwatch in the core manual - they can indeed take Primaris.
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Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/01/12 10:28:51
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Yes, the non-vehicle vehicles would be okay since they have pretty much an infantry stat line. Bikes wouldn't be especially useful on many people's KT boards though (and jetbikes might be a bit too good).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 20:22:09
Subject: [KT] Building "soup" rosters and how it affects the battleforged status?
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If vehicles were ever introduced, they couldn't have the same statlines and rules than regular 40k. Certainly no flesh wounds either.
Not saying vehicles will never be introduced, but if they are, they will be introduced with new rules.
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems" |
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