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 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive. I take any attention to the Dark Eldar line as a good thing, as you should as well, bc if plastic Incubi, Drazhar, and Lelith gets me any closer to plastic Grotesques I'll be a happy man.

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

It's been established for a while that GW wants to get to all plastic. I'm not surprised they would rather re-do a finecast character in plastic than make a new one.

Part of the reason GW went with finecast was an attempt to have a resin that was safe that they could cast like a metal with their current machines and moulds - it basically didn't work.

The thing is GW has the plastic technology and plastic production is FAST. Resin production is far slower and more labour intensive. Basically because GW has all the plastic casting equipment in house (including mould production) and they have a massive market; its affordable and easier for them to go the path of plastic rather than have resin for the mass market.

It's ok for something on the side, but as a main-like product its just not as good for them.


Plus GW has really pushed plastics, whilst they still don't beat resin for fine detail and for some angles and part designs; GW has some very advanced parting design staff and some very neat ways to make plastic models now. The quality is more than good enough for tabletop battles. So its just easier for GW to go fully toward plastic.


Furthermore plastic is easy to teach to newbies and they "get it". Resin introduces a few new steps and whilst nothing is super complex it is another aspect for newer people.



Also don't forget finecast was always a stop-gap material introduced because metal prices were going up and down and left and right and generally being very hard for GW to work with at the scale they produce it. And whilst the price was jumping around it was continually going up in general.



Smaller firms like resin and metal because its cheaper for them to get started with when they don't have a massive global market. Sure many would love plastic, but its just not affordable for them. Meanwhile casting in China comes with its own rafter of issues from staff now as well trained/experienced with models as GW; through to quality control issues

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

Ok so really you're just miffed that Dark Eldar aren't getting anything brand spanking new and that's all you really care to talk about. If you wanna be disappointed, knock yourself out.

Is it just me or do Lelith's hair-hooks look better done in her old than in the new model? Her new hair kinda looks like octopus tentacles with hooks, kinda like a colossal squid's.

Of course it's to early to really say, with just a fragment of the whole picture.

 Overread wrote:
Part of the reason GW went with finecast was an attempt to have a resin that was safe that they could cast like a metal with their current machines and moulds - it basically didn't work.

The thing is GW has the plastic technology and plastic production is FAST. Resin production is far slower and more labour intensive. Basically because GW has all the plastic casting equipment in house (including mould production) and they have a massive market; its affordable and easier for them to go the path of plastic rather than have resin for the mass market.

It's ok for something on the side, but as a main-like product its just not as good for them.

Ah, I see.

Thank you for explaining that.

 Gremore wrote:

Ok so really you're just miffed that Dark Eldar aren't getting anything brand spanking new and that's all you really care to talk about. If you wanna be disappointed, knock yourself out.

I don't *want* to be disappointed, it's just that GW seems intent on doing just that.

What's more, I'll point out that it's not merely the lack of new units but the fact that so many units were also removed from the DE codex.

Furthermore, I note that you seem to be sidestepping my actual question. You claimed that a replacement Lelith model and new DE units weren't mutually exclusive, yet when I asked if you had a shred of evidence for the latter existing, all you could do was snap at me. I'll assume then that you have zero evidence for DE getting anything other than remakes of existing models. Because as we both know, if GW actually intended to give DE new units, then they'd be showing those off rather than bragging about yet another re-sculpt of an existing model.

 vipoid wrote:
Furthermore, I note that you seem to be sidestepping my actual question. You claimed that a replacement Lelith model and new DE units weren't mutually exclusive, yet when I asked if you had a shred of evidence for the latter existing, all you could do was snap at me. I'll assume then that you have zero evidence for DE getting anything other than remakes of existing models. Because as we both know, if GW actually intended to give DE new units, then they'd be showing those off rather than bragging about yet another re-sculpt of an existing model.

Let's stay honest here, GW isn't bragging about a new sculpt for an existing model; the identity of the existing model is not even officially confirmed.
If more DE units will be resculpted, maybe they will just be that unit, maybe they will make them combined kits for some new units, such as with some of the new Sisters of Battle. It's probably fair to say that a new kit with two build options is a more likely way for the DE to get new units than completely out of the blue. We don't know if there will be any additional new sculpts at all though. We can only hope. And we don't know if there will be multiple units that can be built from hypothetical new kits. But, we can hope.

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

Because heaven forbid a faction that has lost about 80% of it's HQ options and wargear actually get new units.

Currently, the entire DE codex comprises fewer models than the HQ section of the SM codex, and they haven't had a new unit in over a decade. But that's okay, GW, just keep vomiting out new Primaris models. That never gets old.

4Chan posted a rumor last night (I'm looking for the source) that says she'll be in another boxset like Drazar was last year with a brand new eldar unit vs. white scars marines. If I can find a verification for it, I will let you know.

That's some Admech gunnery if I've ever seen it. If it isn't an addition to the Admech fold, it's an Admech Blackstone Fortress model. I'd bet my toaster on this.

IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Could be inquistor or rogue trader related

 zedmeister wrote:
Could be inquistor or rogue trader related

Aren't we still waiting for Kill Team: Inquisitor?

Could be a Necromunda weapon.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

It's starting to look like there's a character for every army on the way.

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

It's starting to look like there's a character for every army on the way.

Character or something, yeah.

you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Could be something for Necromunda?

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

Yeah that must be it. For some reason I thought there were more. In either case, I think it would be a cool thing to do, but could just be my wishlisting.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

40k doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same sadly, you'd need Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Nids/GSC, Aeldari, Tau, Necron at the very least.

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

40k doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same sadly, you'd need Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Nids/GSC, Aeldari, Tau, Necron at the very least.

Honestly, we got a lot more via Psychic Awakening than people like to acknowledge.

Aeldari saw two characters(Jain Zar and Drazhar), GSC saw their last character(Kelermorph) see a generic release, Necrons would have gotten Szeras back in April or May before the announcement of 9th if COVID had not happened, Chaos saw their Sorcerer get updated to match the rest of the range rework, Imperium saw the new Inquisitor model(plus various subfaction stuff), Tau got a new Shadowsun, Orks got Ghazghkull...and that's not even going into Vigilus!

While 40k "doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same", nor does AoS.

GW could keep doing some of the battle boxes to add new characters and new units without needing a full codex release. Shadowspear, Blood of the Phoenix and Saga of the Beast battle boxes all added new character models. It wouldn't take too much investment to add a couple new models to a box set to help push some older models.

Hottake:
I'm wondering if they might be planning on doing some more Shadowspear and Indomitus style boxes with ETB for other factions, plus some new plastic characters.

Might sound goofy, but having ETB units likely makes factions a bit more appealing to people starting out. Plus it can be used to make Start Collecting or 'Expanding From Here...' sets down the road.

I was wondering if the marine side of the starter set might actually be more Imperial - with a mix of different Imperial factions as opponents for the first strike/know no fear sizes.

Marine: Dark Imperium/Sisters: Now no fear/Admech: First strike starter sets, that come together for some kind of Crusade.

Maybe with other enemies instead of Necrons too.

That doesn't really work as much this edition since they have hard-capped detachments based on point levels.

I genuinely don't know where they're going with concepts. Maybe more stuff like Indomitus, where there's a Core Rulebook, two good-sized chunks of a starting set in ETB as a Battlebox then the chunks going into making Start Collectings bigger?

I want it to be a new human release for Cities of Sigmar, but its quite obviously a skitarii style gun. :(

Hm these rumors look a bit to easy these days.

I’m thinking more rogue trader or inquisitor retinue than skitaarii.

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

No one wants resin dude. I've seen it hundreds of times at the FLGS. A patron finds out the model is in resin and they just sigh and say "No thanks." Hell, I do it myself. Especially after learning the hard way from playing HH. Hardplastic is much better, higher quality and the way forward. Why are you so uspet about Lilith getting remade in plastic? Why is that a bad thing?