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Why do necrons never get released and never get new models. I thought a recent ish rumour engine was necron but no necrons have been released. Why would we ever need a new release of space marines ever for the rest of our lives. And yet necrons the best army in 40k get nothing for years.its a real disgrace.

Some ideas already here

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/784310.page

Icegoat wrote:
Why do necrons never get released and never get new models. I thought a recent ish rumour engine was necron but no necrons have been released. Why would we ever need a new release of space marines ever for the rest of our lives. And yet necrons the best army in 40k get nothing for years.its a real disgrace.

They do, they've had 1 more model in 8th than Harlequins, Nids, Thousand Sons & Grey knights off the top of my head to be pedantic.

In short the question is what would you expect them to release? They need to slot in some crons somewhere but they have a pretty complete range bar 1-2 resculpts and I doubt you want to pay more for less models to replace existing units.

*cackles in Aspect Warrior*

Necrons have from a modeling perspective a fairly complete and modern range. Honestly with my undead space robots I wdon't want to many mroe kits because then GW will do what they do and nerf older stuff to push the new stuff. As fro resculpts i wouldn't mind more cthan options. i like the models but given the tesserect vault I would love to see them evolve to more like that 9the radiating energy)

I more hope what they get in the psychic awakening is some buffs to make them more able to compete. we know they will probably not see points adjustments but some changes to options and new stratagems or relics would be good.

Necrons don't need new kits. What they need is an overhaul of their Codex. The amount of points cuts that Necrons have received is enormous, and yet they still perform terribly. What else could they do.

Well, when they got updated?

Only the Warriors and Monolith were carried over. Everything else was redone, reinvented or added entirely new. Oh. And the Destroyers

New stuff was, off the top of my head.....erm.....Tomb Blades, Triach Praetorians, Triarch Stalkers, Crypteks, Ghost Ark, Doomsday Ark, Doom Scythe, Night Scythe. Annihilation Barge, Command Barge, Tesseract Vault, Obelisk and the special Characters (all but the characters in plastic).

Reinvented? Wraiths, Tomb Spyders and Lychguard.

Redone? Immortals (kit also makes the Snipers).

That was a massive undertaking. 13 entirely new units. And other than characters, only one unit not in plastic.

That’s within the last 10 years. So, they got a lot of attention at that point, so it’s arguable GW don’t need to do much for them at the moment.

Necrons are honestly in a good spot. The only real finecast they've got is leaders and flayed ones and some of the destroyer stuff. Basically they are pretty up to date. And they even got a freaking titan from Forgeworld recently too.


There area good few armies worse off - Take Eldar who have all their signature aspect warriors in resin (except for Howling Banshees) and are running around with plastic guardians which I believe I'm right in saying are older than the entire Necron model range- and really show their age compared to more modern sculpts.



By all means more necrons is good, but right now they are in a strong spot model wise with a pretty diverse and wide ranging model line that's almost all up to date.

Plastic Aspect Warriors came out not long after 3rd Ed, less a minor repacking to include the grav platform.

So yeah, they’re what, 22 years old now? Looking good for it if you ask me, but defo a refresh would be welcome.

Even Ork Boyz got a more significant refresh since then. Used to be no ‘Eavy Weapons, Nobz sold separately, and most ‘fun’ of all? The Shootas were, pointlessly separate pieces.

You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


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Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

I feel "sit down young one, Necrons got a re-release 2012 (?) so you shouldn't expect anything" is a bit weird in the modern version of the game (and the general need to be more responsible dating from about 2012 due to growing competition).

On the other hand there is an argument that they do have a reasonably complete range when you look at most unit archetypes, so really you would be adding duplication for duplications sake.

But then this doesn't tend to be an issue with other ranges, so I'm not really sure its that compelling.

I mean do people "need" say a mini-floating monolith pointed and gunned somewhere between an annihilation barge and doomsday ark? Not really, but if the model was cool, why not?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


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Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

Well that's categorically wrong, the voidraven was released in 2014, as were plastic wracks, succubus, haemonculus and archon. Not like drazhar or incubi were released in 2019 either. There was also a large release wave in 2011.

None of those are new units except the voidraven which I'm not sure about. DE have definitely lost far more than they gained in terms of models.

Personally I feel the less Necrons get attention from GW beyond rules the better. New models are just going to make crons as bloated as Marines are with their model range so complete and more lore in the world of newcrons is only going to be bad.

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

Well that's categorically wrong, the voidraven was released in 2014, as were plastic wracks, succubus, haemonculus and archon. Not like drazhar or incubi were released in 2019 either. There was also a large release wave in 2011.

NEW UNIT ENTIRE not new kit for current rules, the new unit was release in 2010 DE 5th edit codex.

And we only got plastic b.c the fine cast was so bad it was financially better to go plastic, we did a pole on a DE forum, 2 out of 3 units was so bad GW sent new free ones, i bought 5 ficecast units and got 9 free ones, it was that bad. And now all 80 something models are broken, literally everyone is broke.

PS: Necrons got a new character not to long ago.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Plastic Aspect Warriors came out not long after 3rd Ed, less a minor repacking to include the grav platform.

So yeah, they’re what, 22 years old now? Looking good for it if you ask me, but defo a refresh would be welcome.

Even Ork Boyz got a more significant refresh since then. Used to be no ‘Eavy Weapons, Nobz sold separately, and most ‘fun’ of all? The Shootas were, pointlessly separate pieces.

You're thinking Guardians. Aspects don't have Grav Platforms (unless you count jetbikes or a spaceplane).

I'd disagree about the Guardian kit looking good. Crack one open, then crack open a Tac Marine/Guardsman/FireWarrior/etc kit. It's incredibly barebones. Incredibly meh. You can feel it's age if you assemble one.

The Dire Avenger kit, though, is quite good (despite only one model having actual options). And that was updated for the 6E Codex release! .... By halving the sprues in the box.

I did indeed mean Guardians. Kit shows it’s age in terms Of contents, but the assembled models really don’t look their age.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I did indeed mean Guardians. Kit shows it’s age in terms Of contents, but the assembled models really don’t look their age.

I'd agree with that.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

Well that's categorically wrong, the voidraven was released in 2014, as were plastic wracks, succubus, haemonculus and archon. Not like drazhar or incubi were released in 2019 either. There was also a large release wave in 2011.

NEW UNIT ENTIRE not new kit for current rules, the new unit was release in 2010 DE 5th edit codex.

And we only got plastic b.c the fine cast was so bad it was financially better to go plastic, we did a pole on a DE forum, 2 out of 3 units was so bad GW sent new free ones, i bought 5 ficecast units and got 9 free ones, it was that bad. And now all 80 something models are broken, literally everyone is broke.

PS: Necrons got a new character not to long ago.

Ok, what brand new units do you think the range needs that is missing from their line up? Maybe a lord of war but that's about it, all the other unit stereotypes are covered.

Dudeface wrote:


Ok, what brand new units do you think the range needs that is missing from their line up? Maybe a lord of war but that's about it, all the other unit stereotypes are covered.

Named characters, and transport options for Archons, Succubi, and Haemonculi.

 harlokin wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Ok, what brand new units do you think the range needs that is missing from their line up? Maybe a lord of war but that's about it, all the other unit stereotypes are covered.

Named characters, and transport options for Archons, Succubi, and Haemonculi.

I get maybe including special characters for completion against the fluff but it's not something they need, it's a nice to have at best. Raiders and venoms exist as transports though?


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Sorry I appreciate I'm being very devils advocate but there are a lot of payers who complain their factions don't get anything but then couldn't actually say what it is they wanted, nor be able to justify it. They're just used to seeing marines get stuff and want some new shinies without thinking why.

Unpopular opinion: marines needed the new models because the primaris line wasn't fleshed out enough to replace the squatty marines (and still isn't yet), likewise some factions need a release as their factions lack diversity or options. Neither dark eldar nor necrons fall under this umbrella, they have some older finecast units to replace but that's about it.

As usual the xenos crowd tearing at eachother over scraps of attention and plastic from sm table..

They will get PA book by june latest.

 Argive wrote:
As usual the xenos crowd tearing at eachother over scraps of attention and plastic from sm table..

basically the most accurate statement on the subject. I mostly have xenos armies and like them more for the flavors they offer. my space marines rarely if ever see the tabel and are mostly purchased used at deep dicounts jsut to have the models and paint them for fun.

Overall I feel like GW shoudl have a disclaimer on all xenos armies that you will get less new release models, less ruels updates, and while you may have short periods of being on top of a meta most of the time will eb spent with weaker rules and be at a strength disadvantage to any imperial or chaos faction.

At least thier website has it right. you click on the 40k section and first is Imperium, second chaos and last xenos which is pretty accurate to thier priorities.

I don't really so much care about the fewer models part I just wish they would address power imbalances more. My Orks, Tau, Harliquins, and Necrons just feel like they are at a significant disadvantage opposite codex marines, knights, and guard.

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

Well that's categorically wrong, the voidraven was released in 2014, as were plastic wracks, succubus, haemonculus and archon. Not like drazhar or incubi were released in 2019 either. There was also a large release wave in 2011.

NEW UNIT ENTIRE not new kit for current rules, the new unit was release in 2010 DE 5th edit codex.

And we only got plastic b.c the fine cast was so bad it was financially better to go plastic, we did a pole on a DE forum, 2 out of 3 units was so bad GW sent new free ones, i bought 5 ficecast units and got 9 free ones, it was that bad. And now all 80 something models are broken, literally everyone is broke.

PS: Necrons got a new character not to long ago.

Ok, what brand new units do you think the range needs that is missing from their line up? Maybe a lord of war but that's about it, all the other unit stereotypes are covered.

Easy, give us back Mounted Heroes, we had them, they took them away. B.c of how our transports work and auras, 99% the time your hero is walking, even tho we are the "fast" army (not really anymore...) out Haemonculusand Archons are walking most the time. Its not fun, its not fluffy, we had mounted heroes before, just give them back.

Also a lot of our named characters are taken away, At least give us Vect and The Baron back... why is it that DE is the ONLY ARMY without its main named character? (well maybe GSC? But idk if they even have one), everyone loved the Baron and wants Vect.
.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You could be like DE and have some of the worst value unit in the game, Razorwing flocks

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock

They are $18 USD for 1, you need 2 to make 1 unit, if you play them you need at least 12, thats $216 for 140pts. It's 18 DOLLAR for a set of tiny birds! Literally 5 other games sell plastic, metal, or resin birds for a couple dollars a set. Zombicide are the same size and its $20 for 15 of them.

Not counting the other Beasts, Grotesques. So you want 1 unit of 10 Grots? well thats $250 and they are all 1 pose as Finecast.

Then, there is the fact that DE has only had stuff taken away, we have not had a new unit entire in 10yrs.

Sorry to take away from your anger, i'm mad too lol.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Want to know the worst part.... GW MAKES PLASTIC BIRDS

Int he beast of chaos Endless spell box, there are 3 plastic bird sets for $35... its cheaper to buy this set, throw away the other 2 spells than it is to buy 3 of the Finecast birds, you save $20 that way.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battlemagic-Beasts-Of-Chaos-2018

Well that's categorically wrong, the voidraven was released in 2014, as were plastic wracks, succubus, haemonculus and archon. Not like drazhar or incubi were released in 2019 either. There was also a large release wave in 2011.

NEW UNIT ENTIRE not new kit for current rules, the new unit was release in 2010 DE 5th edit codex.

And we only got plastic b.c the fine cast was so bad it was financially better to go plastic, we did a pole on a DE forum, 2 out of 3 units was so bad GW sent new free ones, i bought 5 ficecast units and got 9 free ones, it was that bad. And now all 80 something models are broken, literally everyone is broke.

PS: Necrons got a new character not to long ago.

Ok, what brand new units do you think the range needs that is missing from their line up? Maybe a lord of war but that's about it, all the other unit stereotypes are covered.

Easy, give us back Mounted Heroes, we had them, they took them away. B.c of how our transports work and auras, 99% the time your hero is walking, even tho we are the "fast" army (not really anymore...) out Haemonculusand Archons are walking most the time. Its not fun, its not fluffy, we had mounted heroes before, just give them back.

Also a lot of our named characters are taken away, At least give us Vect and The Baron back... why is it that DE is the ONLY ARMY without its main named character? (well maybe GSC? But idk if they even have one), everyone loved the Baron and wants Vect.
.

Increase venom capacity to 6, maybe make an archon/succubus on bike kit and sorted. Was it the fluff of the Baron? Would you be happy to only ever play the relevant subfaction to play him, because he would be locked to one, much as Vect would.

Venoms are meant to be small, i would like them to be 6, but i and most DE players would rather just get Bikes/Wings/Skyboards back as options for the heroes.

The Baron was just stupidly fun to play, he is an Archon of Skyboard with lots of tricks, he is suppose to be a tactical genius. He used to give +1 to picking sides, gave units stealth and hit and run, plus gave hellions some movement bonuses that are no longer in the game.

Also the problem with DE is the whole subfactions crap, Baron is an Archon that works with hellions.... He is actually a high ranking Archon. DE needs to remove this crap and let us just mix and match again. Let us work together for once as an army.

Could you imagine if marines had to take a detachment if they wanted TFC's and then another detachment to take Scouts, and a 3rd to take Primaris? No one would allow that and riot GW, but its ok when its DE b.c no one cares about the red headed step child.

I mean all xenos armies are very much in a terrible place when it comes to releases. But necrons could do with about twenty new units and of all shapes and sizes. I firmly believe dark eldar and eldar are dead as they currently are and will be reformed in a few years to something new. How many people are buying clawed fiends and haemonculus on a daily basis.not many that's for sure.

Icegoat wrote:
I mean all xenos armies are very much in a terrible place when it comes to releases. But necrons could do with about twenty new units and of all shapes and sizes. I firmly believe dark eldar and eldar are dead as they currently are and will be reformed in a few years to something new. How many people are buying clawed fiends and haemonculus on a daily basis.not many that's for sure.

What 20 new units do necrons need?

It's not the responsibility of the consumers to develop product on GW's behalf. I didn't see any SM players suggesting Primaris and since their release people have effectively asked for Primaris versions of existing things, rather than something wholly new. Furthermore this topic isn't an exercise in suggesting new units for Necrons. The OP is frustrated at the lack of releases for his faction while suffering through a glut of marines.

More on topic Necrons may well be getting their Silent King that I think will be their "Primarch" tier character. That should be pretty exciting if it's true.

I think maybe you should read the OPs other thread and then revisit your opinion.