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maybe I'm just not understanding this correctly (or it was house ruled/FAQ'd otherwise?)

Brad Chester's list was Raptors (RG successor), but used Long Range Marksman and Master Artisan. he also had the Raptors special character.

Since Raptors are a known Ravenguard successor, doesn't the rule for Inheritors of the Primarch come in to play and he must play with the Ravenguard Chapter Tactics (not choose 2 of his own)?

No. if you SELECT the inheritors chapter tactic, you have to use the parent chapters rules.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No. if you SELECT the inheritors chapter tactic, you have to use the parent chapters rules.

gotcha, makes sense now. Figured I was missing something as there was no way that would have slipped through.

This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

They didn't actually fix the <CHAPTER> issue. Forge World Characters still break Chapter Tactics RaW.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

You can still take a supplement. It just has to be the supplement for the known parent if there is one.

I'm not aware of any mechanical game reason to use the Space Marine Codex on it's own without a supplement. As far as I can tell it is literally just turning down extra abilities with no tradeoff.

 Stux wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

You can still take a supplement. It just has to be the supplement for the known parent if there is one.

I'm not aware of any mechanical game reason to use the Space Marine Codex on it's own without a supplement. As far as I can tell it is literally just turning down extra abilities with no tradeoff.

Oh I am not saying supplement vs main codex.
Example being - Calgar. I can't use him with successor traits. Lias - you could take him with Ravengaurd tactics or with successor tactics. It is clearly not the intent here. Because FW is trash at writting rules they didn't assign the raptors a chapter tactic but did assign them a special character...




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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

They didn't actually fix the <CHAPTER> issue. Forge World Characters still break Chapter Tactics RaW.

Then it truly is illegal - if he in fact ever used doctrines.

Yeah, nobody agrees with this often repeated assertion about Forge World chapters.

 alextroy wrote:
Yeah, nobody agrees with this often repeated assertion about Forge World chapters.

Agreed or there would be nothing but original founding chapters played, leaving all of the other unique chapters languishing in badly outdated FW index books.

Well people at LVO even used assault weapons after advancing, and in BCBhammer that's just as illegal.

nekooni wrote:
Well people at LVO even used assault weapons after advancing, and in BCBhammer that's just as illegal.

Literally the same thing as claiming your Marines have 1,000,000 wounds.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Stux wrote:
This is a common misinterpretation.

A successor with known parent chapter doesnt have to take the parent tactic, they can use custom tactics. It's just that IF you have a known parent and you use Inheritors then you must use the parent tactic.

There's no reason not to use a supplement, its just extra stuff on top of the core codex rules.

So you can use a special character with the successor traits. Which seems to go against intent. However - it's forge world so OFC you can do something special with it that codex chapters can't do. Take special characters with custom traits.

You can still take a supplement. It just has to be the supplement for the known parent if there is one.

I'm not aware of any mechanical game reason to use the Space Marine Codex on it's own without a supplement. As far as I can tell it is literally just turning down extra abilities with no tradeoff.

Oh I am not saying supplement vs main codex.
Example being - Calgar. I can't use him with successor traits. Lias - you could take him with Ravengaurd tactics or with successor tactics. It is clearly not the intent here. Because FW is trash at writting rules they didn't assign the raptors a chapter tactic but did assign them a special character...

Okay, whos gonna tell Xeno about the minotaurs characters that cannot only choose Successor traits but also choose freely which Supplement to use because minotaurs have no known ancestor?

Something your blue bois cannot do isnt automatically "clearly not the intent"