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All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

It has a place, but often just for the humourous stuff to take the mick out of.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

You know the Ciaphas Cain books are meant to be a fun sidepiece, not the main tone of the setting right?

I think he has very sensibly avoided explication. This means he can focus on the characterisation of the marines, their actions and reactions. Because of this the film is much more evocative and powerful.

Tradtionally 40k and Warhammer were grounded in nameless horrors that defy explanation, immanent, hopelessness, anonymity and dread. This speask to that tradition. Of couse, now we have black library publishing instead.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

A big part of the beauty of 40k is that it can do both very serious and comic. It doesn’t need to do both of them at the same time though.

shadowsfm wrote:

the sphere reminds me of Tuchulcha from the dark angels books in horus heresy and also the gav thorpe books

there is only one sphere in this video. it keeps cutting back and forth between the present and flashback. the inquisitor is searching for the missing squad, by hacking it with his mind, before being possessed and executed. the inquisitor sees quick cuts of what happened to the squad. 4:53 and 4:54

I thought that on my first watch but then the conversation between the two orbs and the dialogue there doesn't make sense. The scene is much more logical if you interpret the two spheres as communicating with one another. Besides, there are at least 2 spheres confirmed on the Retributors battle barge alone. In the chamber where the Inquisitor is praying you can clearly see a second sphere secured by psychic dampening clamps to the right of the one in focus

if the sphere is an Abominable Intelligence, as i suspect, the squad is inserting corrupt data discs to destroy it, which failed

at 4:51 i suspect i see necrons

It could be abominable intelligence, I doubt it though. The entity within the sphere is shown to have a daemon-like tentacled body, it also has a warp form as shown at 6:13. On that same vein it is very very unlikely to be necron or C'tan neither of which deal in the warp as these entities evidently do. The architecture is skeletal but in my mind thats where the similarities end, in fact, if you pause the video at 4:52 and look at the statue on which they stand you can see it actually have 3 faces: a skeletal one at the front facing the astartes, a second skeletal face on the right and what appears to be a womanly, more beatific face on the left side. That doesn't suggest necron's to me. The 19 figures at 4:51 look at lot like the psykers we see in parts 3 and 4, they have the same shoulder pads and similar looking build/masks.

the golden man is just junk in the enemy vaults that they feel has value, clearly the space marine do not

That doesn't make much sense at all, its clearly a work in progress owning to its half finished state, its surrounded by psychic amplifying devices, the entity claims to its fellow "we have failed", it suggests there was some sort of mission at hand. I strongly suspect that the golden man was likely an aspect of that mission. Most likely granting the entity physical form. Why would a band of cultists and psykers on a void travelling ship randomly start constructing what appears to be a large and complex machine and then place it in a highly secured vault that they gave their lives to defend? I believe that the entity within the sphere was instructing/psychically controlling them how to build the statue

is it already known that this chapter is a successor chapter of the imperial fists?

They are confirmed by the channel creator to be the Retributors chapter, a successor of the Imperial Fists

 BrookM wrote:
Yazima, thanks for that rundown!

And a link to the best part: https://imgur.com/gallery/LbWq3TU

I love the shooting of the body just to be sure.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

Not everything has to be mired in humour. Besides its hard to evoke Lovecraftian horror (which he clearly going for) when you have a joke every few seconds. It wasn't overly gory or dark, exposition was kept to a minimum which creates an uneasy atmosphere. Personally I loved it, I think the Astartes series will stand as a benchmark of what is possible in the vast reaches of our setting. I suspect it will prove to be a highly influential piece of cinema

40k does cosmic horror. I thought it was absolutely wonderful. I’m so glad he didn’t fall into this deplorable modern trend of everything having to be explained in minute detail, thus destroying all sense of mystery, wonder and fear. I’ve no doubt I’ll be watching this a few more times.

I wish GW would inject some of the same feeling into more of its IP.

Yeah, this series was fabulous. The lore was used perfectly for the Astartes and I am a big fan of leaving some things deliberately ambiguous and up to us to interpret. (HW stopped doing this a long time ago, unfortunately.)

The last few scenes on the alien planet reminded me of first seeing the space jockey in Alien.

The man can tell a story. The only slight thing was that the dialogue could have been slightly clearer.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

British humor is not real humor. I'm sorry to tell you that. The only good humor in 40k are orks.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I think I've finally hit on my reason and feeling for why I prefer Astartes over Death of Hope, amongst many things:

Death of Hope, in many places, relies very strongly on body horror and almost just grimdarkness for the sake of it. The squad of Marines being sucked into the orb with no warning, no hesitation, but the sheer wrongness of it and terror it evoked (for me, at least) represented something far more effective that transcended beyond just 40k.

DoH is an excellent 30k/40k story, but relies on someone to be invested in the setting first. Astartes doesn't need that. You can watch Astartes with very little understanding of the setting, and still be just as clued in to what is happening as a seasoned veteran. I think a great deal of that is down to the creative decision by Astartes' creator to pick on things that are completely unique, or at the very least, not obviously explained in 40k canon. Despite being something that non-fans can enjoy, it's also just incredibly well made and appeals to the hardcore 40k audience by keeping that stoicism, the no-nonsense of the Astartes (love that execution of the fallen Inquisitor/Acolyte).

If GW is to make any media, I'd prefer it be closer to Astartes, which appeals to many more people while keeping that 40k edge, and less like DoH.

I'd say it's more that Death of Hope is poorly directed and has poor pacing and script. Basically it's a showcase of pretty 3D models but a bad piece of film. Astartes has very good cinematography, direction and pacing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What was the big golden statue?

Unfinished.
The big golden statue is unfinished.
And I think that's a very good thing for the marines too!

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

Welcome to the 21st century. 40k hasn't seen much of black humour since the 90s.

 Galas wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
All kinda missing the trademark black 40K humor to be really 40k.

Pretentious overly serious crap like that just doesn't work for the 40K setting IMO.

British humor is not real humor. I'm sorry to tell you that. The only good humor in 40k are orks.

Well this particular Brit finds orks painfully unfunny. It’s almost as if different people like different things ...

The large golden construct could be a nice nod to a certain cheeky bastard from the Eisenhorn trilogy, who got a golden body of his own.

 BrookM wrote:
The large golden construct could be a nice nod to a certain cheeky bastard from the Eisenhorn trilogy, who got a golden body of his own.

Just needs a nice cape of knives.

 Overread wrote:
Ohh is that Eldar in the little post-story clip? That looked like taking damage from potentially a shurikan cannon

Watching this for a second time, I think those actually looked like splinters. Maybe Dark Eldar? When the marine takes the shots, there seem to be small fragments sticking out of his pauldron as he wheels away.

Great and atmospheric all the way around.

So what exactly is the Inquisitorial soon to be dead fella seeing when he looks at the captain?

First image is a series of robed individuals, and they don't look like marines....more like the 2 psykers that were put down in Ep 4. Behind them is a column of light which matches the gaps in the statues on the next image.
That image shoes the stranded Astartes standing in the palm of one of the massive statues. He then sees those marines getting obliterated with black flame rising vertically.

Anyway, I absolutely love how he has left this so wide open, perfect sci-fi to me.

Loved that final scene. Very reminiscent of a Zdzislaw Beksinski painting.

Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.

 Barzam wrote:
Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.

doubtful, the chapter insigna is a skeleton hand, not a lion's head.

Just discovered this, very cool.

I mean, it's no "Ultramarines"...

A very good set of videos. I hope the channel puts them all together into a single video down the road to make repeat viewing a little easier.

I must confess, I couldn't really figure out what was going on with this last one. This thread did shine light on some better possibilities to what happened. At the same time, I didn't mind at all things left unexplained. I even appreciated the fact that creator of Astartes didn't make use of fairly well known xenos, Chaos, etc.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.

doubtful, the chapter insigna is a skeleton hand, not a lion's head.

There's a super quick montage at around 7:12 of some kind of Blood Angels successor, and a black/white Marine with a dragon symbol on the helmet before it cuts to the scene with the predator.

I don't even really care or need an explanation as to what the hell that thing is. It's clearly Heresy and needs to be dealt with as such.

Today I found information that the primarch of the Dark Angels the Lion El Jones, had a similar creature - Tuhulhu
he was also intelligent, spherical and could teleport

it is very interesting, I did not know this fact

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Was that a Celestial Lions Marine in the postscript? I hope it was, because that's such an obscure chapter to depict.

doubtful, the chapter insigna is a skeleton hand, not a lion's head.

There was an Angel Encarmine at the end of the vid too, and another marien from a chapter with a Reptilian heraldry.
I took me a couple of looks even to see the squad materialising on the pillars at the end, I initially thought they'd all died and only the one guy survived. Well done to who spotted that.

 bullyboy wrote:
So what exactly is the Inquisitorial soon to be dead fella seeing when he looks at the captain?

First image is a series of robed individuals, and they don't look like marines....more like the 2 psykers that were put down in Ep 4. Behind them is a column of light which matches the gaps in the statues on the next image.
That image shoes the stranded Astartes standing in the palm of one of the massive statues. He then sees those marines getting obliterated with black flame rising vertically.

Anyway, I absolutely love how he has left this so wide open, perfect sci-fi to me.

I believe that the Inquisitor is given a vision of the future, or at least a potential future. Perhaps it is reference to the astartes descent into corruption? The creator has revealed that something happens within the Retributor's chapter history to lead the Imperium to believe that it was destroyed, all contact is severed between the remaining astartes and the Imperium. I strongly suspect these creatures are the reason for this

I think that their future will not change. Because they (the squad) do not know him, and their captain does not know where they and will not be able to save them from fate.