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I have a 2,000 point grot army. Over, actually. I don't use only "grot" units from the codex, because I have a bunch of gloomspite gits and kitbashed models that I stick in the list, which I will usually run as "count-as" evil sunz. The whole caboodle used to be count-as evil sunz but now with cheeky zoggers I guess I'll be running one detachment of grots and one of "sunz".

I have a grot warboss (a kitbash of the orruk megaboss with killa kan parts and the baseball-cap wearing gretchin head, in reference to one of my oldest gretchin models where I painted that head as a boston red sox cap and gave a grot a plasma pistol and a power klaw) several grot weirdboyz, a grot mek with KFF, a grot Waaagh banner (old makari), 120 gretchins spanning basically every edition and every game, da red gobbo, 30 squigs (choppa boyz) a set of mangler squigs (A Bonebreaka), 10 squig hoppers (stormboyz), a grot megatank, 4 grot tanks, 6 killa kanz, 6 smasha gunz, 2 looted carnifexes (deff dreads), and 10 goblin fanatics (Nobz with 2x choppas).

It is... a ludicrous number of miniatures in a list, and though I do make a few nods to decently competitive play (I've got some smashas, and I do Da Jump evil sunz boyz with the horde of squigs) it's mostly just for comedic relief.

Though I haven't gotten to try it out with cheeky zoggers yet, so hey, maybe it's OP now! That'd be a trip.

Even though my Khorne Daemons have the highest win loss ratio, it's still my weakest army. I only use it against newer players as it's not optimized at all. Or I'll use it when I want to play a really chill game. Or if I really want to use Angraath and not much else I'll drop him down.

I have around 1000pt sisters of silence force, with allied assassins and Inquisitor. They struggle a bit. But, before the pandemic we were playing a league in dense zone mortalis terrain. Witch Seekers are really good in zone mortalis!

I played with a Space Wolf army back in 4th and in 8th.

Jackal90 wrote:
Mine would have been my kroot mercenary army.

Great fun to convert and build but almost impossible to use, especially well.

No vehicles.
Almost no armour saves.
Poor shooting.
Average combat.
1 anti tank weapon that is far from even being “good”

Such a fun army but every match was painful.

Sorry, but no. Kroot Mercs were pretty good.

No vehicles. Not particularly a hinderance when everything was infiltrating.
Almost no armour saves. You have 5+ cover and 4+ in woods. Armour wasn’t an issue.
Poor shooting. It was average, but that’s not where the army’s strength lay.
Average combat. No. Kroot were as good as Orks were. Esp when given Ork Hybrid. Much like Orks the squad was simply ablative armour for the leader with the PF (or Eviscerator in this case)
1 AT weapon. No. The aforementioned Eviscerators. Meltaguns on Master Shapers (and meltabombs). Shaper Councils all with Meltaguns. Great Knarlocs being MCs.

I played Kroot Mercs quite extensively in 3rd and had no troubles with the armies I faced.

My infantry-based tau list, 8th, with nothing heavier than a Coldstar commander. I only ever won one game with that list, against mono Slaanesh daemonettes

My 3rd edition Necron army.

My friends and I would usually play at low-point games, often 500pts.

My list was:
Necron Lord - 100
10 Warriors - 180
10 Warriors - 180

That left just 40pts for wargear or other units, which usually boiled down to a Resurrection Orb on the Lord.

Every game could be summarised as:
1) Move forward
2) Shoot at most dangerous target.
3) Accomplish nothing because Warriors were utter garbage.
4) Warriors get charged.
5) Warriors get cut to pieces in melee because, as already mentioned, Warriors were utter garbage.
6) To reaffirm how garbage they were, they would run from melee and (thanks to I2) would get cut down almost automatically. Hence, they couldn't even try to win an attrition game in melee.
7) Melee unit consolidates into either the Lord or the other Warrior unit.
7.5) If by some miracle the unit fails to charge into the Lord or the other Warrior unit, my Lord and Warriors shoot it at point-blank range. They accomplish nothing because Warriors were utter garbage (and the Lord was no better).
8) Melee unit charges Warriors and wipes them out.
9) I phase out.
10) I sigh and wonder why Necrons are considered a threat to the 40k universe when they'd lose to a class of narcoleptic toddlers.

Went into some local games in 5thEd (I think it was 5th Ed) with a 3rd Ed army (took a break after early 3rdEd until half way through 5th Ed). So I had my Daemon prince of Khorne, some obliterators, some khorne berserkers, noise marines, Ahriman, Abaddon, some terminators, a run of the mill sorcerer, a Bloodthirster, some plague bearers, flesh hounds, some cultists, one rhino, two defilers and a chunk of CSM all sat pretty getting bent over by most armies. I was living in a foreign country at the time and without a lot of cash or about 80% of my collection so I couldn't supplement the army into the parking lot expectations of the time (I had the rhinos at home in the UK sadly but not the cash or trust to send them via post).

I obviously didn't use it all at the same time but getting to grips with new units/rules/builds and the meta at the time was tough as my local opponents were not merciful and actively chased the best of the best in terms of competitive builds. One had Nids, an army with a crap ton of 'new' models at the time (such as a Tervigon) that i'd never seen before. Another opponent had a full daemon army (back when they were OP) and another one with a Space Wolves army (it was, safe to say, their edition). The other three were IG, Eldar and Orks. So it was a rough year. I don't think I did terribly to get a better than 50% win ratio but i'll admit that was largely supplemented by the Eldar and Orks (Eldar being a preferred and familiar opponent). God I missed 3.5ed CSM codex.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
Mine would have been my kroot mercenary army.

Great fun to convert and build but almost impossible to use, especially well.

No vehicles.
Almost no armour saves.
Poor shooting.
Average combat.
1 anti tank weapon that is far from even being “good”

Such a fun army but every match was painful.

Sorry, but no. Kroot Mercs were pretty good.

No vehicles. Not particularly a hinderance when everything was infiltrating.
Almost no armour saves. You have 5+ cover and 4+ in woods. Armour wasn’t an issue.
Poor shooting. It was average, but that’s not where the army’s strength lay.
Average combat. No. Kroot were as good as Orks were. Esp when given Ork Hybrid. Much like Orks the squad was simply ablative armour for the leader with the PF (or Eviscerator in this case)
1 AT weapon. No. The aforementioned Eviscerators. Meltaguns on Master Shapers (and meltabombs). Shaper Councils all with Meltaguns. Great Knarlocs being MCs.

I played Kroot Mercs quite extensively in 3rd and had no troubles with the armies I faced.

I didn't ask for opinions/debates concerning what's actually good/bad, why, etc. If you want that discussion start your own post.
I wondered what everybody else's weakest/worst armies they'd played was & what their play results were.
For all we know Jackel could've been completely misplaying his own Kroot. Or never played on a table with trees/enough cover.... Or been able to afford a Great Knarloc, it being FW you know.

Simple? My Eldar.

I don't own flyers.
I don't run Alaitoc.
I don't run Dark Reapers or Shining Spears every game (I have 6-10 of each, but do not put them in every list)
I actually use Aspect Warriors.
I actually use the Avatar.
I actually use Falcons, etc.

I've run Eldar several times without any psykers, even. Inside every "strong codex!" is a wave of mediocrity.

 Brutallica wrote:
Well... I remember when 8th edition hit with gw'¨s phraseings like "Now you can really get stuck in" with these new close combat rules. And free fallback and no bonus for charges.... Never have my space wolves and Khorne been this horrible... It made 7th seem like a gentle and rational edition...

"No bonus for charge?" Chargers fight first. That's their bonus, and it's way stronger than +1A [though if you were high initiative melee units, you may not see it that way . My units like it, though.]

I think my worst SW list was something that was basically just a very large horde of Grey Hunters with a couple of Long Fang squads back in 7th edition. I had just received them from a friend who gave them to me because he basically never won. His collection was basically just a giant pile of tactical marines, so no wonder why! Or maybe the list I ran one time this edition that used my Land Raider With 8 Lascannons and 2x WG Terminator Squads. 8 Lascannons Land Raider is not a recipe for success. I should have broken off the extra Lascannons and traded turrets with a Razorback, especially since it's no longer legal for SW to field, but it is kind of cool, and then it would have it's guns on the back and doors on the front, and I don't want a guns-on-back doors-on-front Land Raider.


What other terrible lists have I played?...
I think my worst Sisters list was, uh, I don't know. I mean, in 6th/7th edition was a pretty gak time in general, since there were no AA guns in the army and flyers everywhere so AA basically amounted to hoping you could get 6's with Exorcists or Rets, but like my list was good for what it was.

 Elbows wrote:
Simple? My Eldar.

I don't own flyers.
I don't run Alaitoc.
I don't run Dark Reapers or Shining Spears every game (I have 6-10 of each, but do not put them in every list)
I actually use Aspect Warriors.
I actually use the Avatar.
I actually use Falcons, etc.

I've run Eldar several times without any psykers, even. Inside every "strong codex!" is a wave of mediocrity.

LOL, so true.

Reapers and Warwalkers. Maugan Ra. Actually, spam the hell out of a spearhead and then declare to the other player "Don't move! Yer' surrounded by armed b******s!"

In 1998 I was on a six-month course with the US Army. My wife visited me early on and brought me some of my Dark Angels (nice surprise!). Since this was still 2nd Ed I was able to make a legal force out of what she had put in a single carry case for me (flew down). I played it at the FLGS' over the following months and while it was not fantastically optimized or even effective, it was fun to play with what you have and not what you wish you had!

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
In 1998 I was on a six-month course with the US Army. My wife visited me early on and brought me some of my Dark Angels (nice surprise!). Since this was still 2nd Ed I was able to make a legal force out of what she had put in a single carry case for me (flew down). I played it at the FLGS' over the following months and while it was not fantastically optimized or even effective, it was fun to play with what you have and not what you wish you had!

I do this sort of thing at university. What comes with is exclusively what can fit in a backpack carryon after my books and computers and stuff, so it winds up being some odd 2000 point lists that come out of it.

At an early 2000s LA Games Day GT I brought a radical Inquisitor army out of the original Daemonhunters book. That meant no GKs in exchange for Daemonhosts. So at 1500 pts the army was Guardsmen, Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, whatever the radicals had access to, etc. Not very intimidating. If memory serves I went 1-1-1 and the people who failed to get a win were not happy.

5th ed Chaos Daemons, purely because my local meta at the time was like 40% guard, 40% grey knights and 20% everything else.

God I hated the lack of army variety back then, plus myarmy having to deepstrike and then be bunched up vs templates was no fun.

Fun fact- now days (before the lockdown) my local game night has a insane army variety, one night we nearly had every army represented barring the niche fringe armies.

6th ed i played nids and DE. When learning 6th edition i took 9 transports full of dudes, but i played against someone wanting to play with their new rules too, he had mostly flamers and torrent flamers.

I was tabled turn 1 b.c not only did it kill the vehicles, but it killed the guys in the vehicles before they even got a chance to get out.

It was safe to say i never played open topped transport again in 6th.

6th ed Dark Angels. I hardly ever won a game. But for a sweet moment in history, I had my 7th Ed Ravenwing and it was amazing to be the guy everyone (in my group) feared playing.

Bearing in mind I had only started playing very recently and wasn't 100% sure on what I was doing, my first 8th ed Cadian tank army, with a very large distain for any screening infantry.

Close combat makes Pask very sad.