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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
The Custodes had just pronounced a death sentence on the Astartes, of course they're going to refuse.

Of course?
I mean, Sisters sometime even volunteer for becoming repentia.
The fact that marines refused to comply with a death sentence, in 40k logics, means they were traitor and the ones in the wrong here.

 Galas wrote:
Thats the viewpoint most Custodes have... they hate space marines in a general sense.

Which makes it even crazier that they stopped the Sisters from killing even more marines during the Reign of Blood, all to stop a madman that wasn't even corrupted by Chaos!!

the custodes didn't take action to save a few space marines they took action to save the Imperium

Yeah but they took action even though that meant saving those space marines!
Incredible when you think about it!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
The Custodes had just pronounced a death sentence on the Astartes, of course they're going to refuse.

Of course?
I mean, Sisters sometime even volunteer for becoming repentia.
The fact that marines refused to comply with a death sentence, in 40k logics, means they were traitor and the ones in the wrong here.

 Galas wrote:
Thats the viewpoint most Custodes have... they hate space marines in a general sense.

Which makes it even crazier that they stopped the Sisters from killing even more marines during the Reign of Blood, all to stop a madman that wasn't even corrupted by Chaos!!

Sisters are also insanely fanatic. Marines are less so.

The Marines aren't really in the wrong considering they acted to attempt to preserve 200 odd loyal Primaris marines from being killed for no decent reason. That's a significant military force being killed literally because an idiot in golden armour is prejudiced.

While death was possible, even probable, after the decree of Hereticus Diabolus Extremis, the Astartes fate was not sealed until they failed to surrender. That is what killed 200 Primaris.

For all his sternness, the Shield-Captain did tell them "You are tainted by heresy and you will be detained, along with all of your battle-brothers, until an appropriate fate can be determined." Death was not assured at that point.

Someone who's extremely prejudiced, accuses them of heresy with no evidence and refused to even try and determine if there were loyalist elements left on the planet is not giving you a decent fate or even a fair one.

Evidence?

An official pronouncement by the Inquisition and a homeworld in flames isn't evidence?

And there is all that scrolling data and cries for assistance that we don't know the details of which very well may be more evidence.

No, I think there was plenty of evidence to make taking them into custody necessary.

 alextroy wrote:
Evidence?

An official pronouncement by the Inquisition and a homeworld in flames isn't evidence?

And there is all that scrolling data and cries for assistance that we don't know the details of which very well may be more evidence.

No, I think there was plenty of evidence to make taking them into custody necessary.

I think they mean no evidence that the Greyshields (who have never met this Chapter, and are as related to them as the Ultramarines/Dark Angels are to the Astral Claws) are corrupt.
Which there isn't.

Now, when they resist arrest, they prove themselves guilty in the Custodian's eyes, but that doesn't change that the Custodian realistically shouldn't have been arresting them in the first place.

If this made sense in 40k's internal logic, then the Ultramarines would have long been exterminated for heresy by the Custodes for their successors turning to Chaos.

People are forgetting how silly and illogical 40k is...

So the Custodes does something many real life cops do (without killing but with detentions and beatings)... and people call it unreasonable? In 40k?

Yeah, no. A big problem many people has when reading fiction is that they always evalue everything as an outside observer with omniscient knowledge. People makes mistakes, people is driven by emotions, and people in this case have prejudices and act in ways we can fin unreasonable but for them are perfectly valid.

Yes. Apparently some people think Custodes are too educated to act like members of the Imperium of Mankind.

From the standpoint of for example the imperial guard this all seems pretty laughable - in a not really funny way. Whole regiments, are wiped out for lesser reasons. Generally Guard forces would count themselves lucky to be asked to surrender once, let alone twice.

Imagine the same situation with Guard conscripts for greyshields and a Marine Captain as Custodes (which as far as I understand is more or less comparable). Should the Marine really have to ask nicely to surrender their weapons?

Sure the Custodes should be more rational than for example an Inquisitor, but it's still Warhammer 40k...

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Evidence?

An official pronouncement by the Inquisition and a homeworld in flames isn't evidence?

And there is all that scrolling data and cries for assistance that we don't know the details of which very well may be more evidence.

No, I think there was plenty of evidence to make taking them into custody necessary.

I think they mean no evidence that the Greyshields (who have never met this Chapter, and are as related to them as the Ultramarines/Dark Angels are to the Astral Claws) are corrupt.
Which there isn't.

That is what I meant.

ValentineGames wrote:People are forgetting how silly and illogical 40k is...

Sigh.
40k is silly and illogical *by our standards*, but it does possess internal logic.

Pyroalchi wrote:From the standpoint of for example the imperial guard this all seems pretty laughable - in a not really funny way. Whole regiments, are wiped out for lesser reasons. Generally Guard forces would count themselves lucky to be asked to surrender once, let alone twice.

Imagine the same situation with Guard conscripts for greyshields and a Marine Captain as Custodes (which as far as I understand is more or less comparable). Should the Marine really have to ask nicely to surrender their weapons?

Space Marines aren't Guard Conscripts.

Guardsmen are cheap nearly universally. And while Space Marines are perhaps cheap to a Custodian, in the grand scheme of the Imperium, 200 Marines are a weapon that can swing campaigns. Comparing them to Guardsmen also ignores the issue I have with the scenario, because they don't even do it with Guardsmen!
If a Cadian regiment goes traitor, they don't kill every Cadian across the galaxy! They kill those associated with them, or those that could have feasibly had contact. Similarly, these Marines had no feasible way of being corrupted (at least, no way that wouldn't implicate each and every Space Marine in the Imperium), so why accuse them of corruption?

Conscripts are cheap, but even they're not killed for the same circumstances. This is what I mean by 'breaking internal logic'. 40k is illogical and irrational *by our standards*, but it's not devoid of it's own internal structure and reason.
While shooting and killing someone for not obeying your order to surrender is horrific and irrational (and unfortunately present) IRL, it's part of life in 40k. My issue is that them even being suspected of corruption is illogical, even within the setting.

Again, had they not have been Greyshields, it would have made complete sense internally.

They're described specifically as "Brazen Drakes Greyshields". Gerion speaks of the Brazen Drakes on the planet as "brethren", "our comrades" and "my battle-brothers".

So I think you should stop trying to claim that these Greyshields have nothing to do with the Brazen Drakes and can't possibly share their heresy.

 Duskweaver wrote:
They're described specifically as "Brazen Drakes Greyshields". Gerion speaks of the Brazen Drakes on the planet as "brethren", "our comrades" and "my battle-brothers".

So I think you should stop trying to claim that these Greyshields have nothing to do with the Brazen Drakes and can't possibly share their heresy.

Why? They *do* have nothing to do with the Chapter. They've never even MET them! It's explicitly stated that they've spent months trying to reach their "newly adopted homeworld", and their Chapter Master hasn't even accepted them yet. They don't belong to that Chapter any more so than any random Greyshield descended from XIII Legion stock belongs to the Sons of Orar.

The fact they're described as Brazen Drakes in the extract is either simply shorthand for "soon-to-be Brazen Drakes", or simply inaccurate fact-checking, which BL authors aren't immune from. I'd also like to add that I think the Captain rushing to the defence of a Chapter he has no actual attachment to (calling them his battle brothers) is also something which I think is out-of-character. The Custodian isn't the only character which I think acts illogically for the setting, but I only mention them first because they're the first one to act and instigate the situation.

If it were kept that these were Greyshields, there wouldn't be much of a story, IMO, because if I'd written it, the Custodian would never have suspected the Greyshields, and the Greyshields would never have reacted.
If it were changed that these weren't Greyshields, the story would pan out identically, for me.

It's literally *only* the mention of Greyshields that changes the whole story, IMO, from being a really solid story and scenario, to being internally inconsistent.

pm713 wrote:
Sisters are also insanely fanatic. Marines are less so.

That's exactly the problem with marines, and why Custodes don't trust them, for good reasons.

pm713 wrote:
The Marines aren't really in the wrong considering they acted to attempt to preserve 200 odd loyal Primaris marines from being killed for no decent reason.

They got 200 odd loyal Primaris marines lost, some Sisters of Silence and other bystanders lost too, they could have gotten a Custodes lost on top of it, they damaged the ship controls, AND they likely added a bunch of traitor Primaris marines on top of that. It's much, MUCH MUCH worse than just losing 200 odd loyal primaris lol.

 Duskweaver wrote:
They're described specifically as "Brazen Drakes Greyshields". Gerion speaks of the Brazen Drakes on the planet as "brethren", "our comrades" and "my battle-brothers".

So I think you should stop trying to claim that these Greyshields have nothing to do with the Brazen Drakes and can't possibly share their heresy.

They can but that's in the same way that the Grey Knights could decide to kill the Custodes off by blowing up Terra. It's theoretically possible but so unlikely you may as well call it impossible. They never met anyone on the planet, had no bad marks at all prior to someone trying to arrest them for almost no reason and when they did go traitor against the custodes they were pushed into it so much they might be Thousand Sons.

What? They are jumping at it at the first vague annoyance!

I don't know if it was stated here or on FB, but someone said the SM are often loyal to their battle brothers above all else, and that this is one reason why just a few or even one corrupted Marine can turn an entire chapter. Just look at the first two Rafen books; a corrupted inquisitor got a massive portion of the Blood Angels to believe that one of them was Sanguinius reborn. Had it not been for Rafen's persistence, the whole chapter might have been corrupted. The wasn't some random successor chapter, this was the Blood Angels themselves. I think one reason why the Custodes are distrustful of Marines is that they have so much autonomy and get so wrapped in their traditions and their inner bonds that a domino effect within the ranks can have fast-acting and disastrous consequences.

Also, let's be honest, in 40k, it's Chaos Space Marines who drive much of the action of the long war. Without them, all Chaos has are swarms of mostly incompetent and poorly-armed cultists, various scattered Traitor Guard units, some angry mutants like beastmen, and daemons that are extremely dangerous but who usually fade back into the warp after a period of time. There is no unified army force like the Astra Militarum, the power of the Dark Mechanicus is a shadow of that of the loyalist Mechanicus, and things like Traitor Knights and Titans are extremely rare to how many the Imperium has. It is Abaddon, the legions and the warbands who cause the most damage to the Imperium. The face of the greatest threat to mankind in the 40k universe is a Space Marine who turned his back on his people and decided to set the galaxy on fire. And it's of course not like the Horus Heresy was a one-off event; Marines have been defecting and causing ruin for over ten thousand years. SoB rarely turn and Custodes never turn from what we know. Only the Grey Knights are Marines who are pure in their loyalty. Looking at the situation from the view of someone who is not a SM, I think it would be entirely logical to believe that SM as a while at their core should not be trusted very much.

pm713 wrote:

 Duskweaver wrote:
They're described specifically as "Brazen Drakes Greyshields". Gerion speaks of the Brazen Drakes on the planet as "brethren", "our comrades" and "my battle-brothers".

So I think you should stop trying to claim that these Greyshields have nothing to do with the Brazen Drakes and can't possibly share their heresy.

They can but that's in the same way that the Grey Knights could decide to kill the Custodes off by blowing up Terra. It's theoretically possible but so unlikely you may as well call it impossible. They never met anyone on the planet, had no bad marks at all prior to someone trying to arrest them
for almost no reason and when they did go traitor against the custodes they were pushed into it so much they might be Thousand Sons.

How and why could the Greyknights blow up terra?

Some have said that because the marines in the story are Greyshields and haven’t met and interacted with their chapter yet they shouldn’t be associated with their heresy.

I’d expect that the Greyshields were told which chapter they are being assigned to at the outset of their voyage, quite possibly months or years earlier and have spent that time reading up on their new chapter and studying the chapter’s history and legends and using good old space marine (and enhanced Primaris) indoctrination techniques such that the Greyshields now personally identify as Brazren Dragons and that is now where their primary loyalties lie. The fact that they’ve never met them in person is irrelevant.

The fact the marine captain immediately jumps to the defence of his new chapter rather than condemning their heresy is all the confirmation needed.

And regarding the business of reacting to a death sentence: I think (personal opinion) one of the best ways within the WH40k universe to at least get a chance of getting out of being accused as traitor is to completely comply to any order by Imperial Officials, regardless of the possible deadly consequenses. If someone like a Custodes/Marine Chapter Master/Inquisitor etc. shouts "Traitor!" at you, but does not start firing instead ordering you to lay down your weapons and you are really loyal, it would be wise to do so. As others said: the moment you refuse and start to argue with authorities you proof them riht. On the other hand the shield captain might have had reason to change his opinion would the Greyshields he just called traitors (purposely provoking them) have laid down their weapons, solemnly and calmly accepting whatever decision the Imperium (here represented by the Custodes) see fit. Because that is the cause of action a real traitor would not follow.

In a similar vein, even if it can be argued that there are worlds between Guardsmen and Marines: If an Inquisitor wants to test if an Imperial Regiment is truly loyal or not and calls them traitors, ordering them to prepare for execution and they react by disarming and calmly claiming "yes my Lord." that would be the ultimate proof that they remained faithful. I think that would rarely happen, because Guardsmen are to much normal humans, but I would suspect something like that from a Space Marine who SHOULD be trained and indoctrinated for maximum loyalty without being influenced by things like fear of death.

But again: that is my personal opinion and nothing I would claim as fact.

Aash wrote:Some have said that because the marines in the story are Greyshields and haven’t met and interacted with their chapter yet they shouldn’t be associated with their heresy.

I’d expect that the Greyshields were told which chapter they are being assigned to at the outset of their voyage, quite possibly months or years earlier and have spent that time reading up on their new chapter and studying the chapter’s history and legends and using good old space marine (and enhanced Primaris) indoctrination techniques such that the Greyshields now personally identify as Brazren Dragons and that is now where their primary loyalties lie. The fact that they’ve never met them in person is irrelevant.

My understanding from reading Dark Imperium is that the Greyshields are definitely told where they're going, but they don't all like it. And while they *could* have indoctrination techniques applied, we don't know that. Again, I hasten to emphasise that these Greyshields hadn't even been accepted by the Brazen Dakes yet - the extract explicitly points out that the Talons of the Emperor are only there to ensure the Drakes' Chapter Master accepts "Cawl's miracle".
The Greyshields almost certainly have done their research about who they're joining and will be educated in the Chapter's culture, but to the point where they share the same crimes? How could be that be plausible?

Again, my point is why does Tyvar accuse them of corruption? They're as unrelated to the actual Brazen Drakes as any other Chapter would be. Now, when they leap to the Drakes' defence, that *does* ring alarm bells, but IMO they should never have been put in the position where they were being threatened.

The fact the marine captain immediately jumps to the defence of his new chapter rather than condemning their heresy is all the confirmation needed.

I'm not denying that part. What I'm saying is that the Captain should never have been put in the position where he felt the need to jump to their defence.



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Pyroalchi wrote:
And regarding the business of reacting to a death sentence: I think (personal opinion) one of the best ways within the WH40k universe to at least get a chance of getting out of being accused as traitor is to completely comply to any order by Imperial Officials, regardless of the possible deadly consequenses. If someone like a Custodes/Marine Chapter Master/Inquisitor etc. shouts "Traitor!" at you, but does not start firing instead ordering you to lay down your weapons and you are really loyal, it would be wise to do so. As others said: the moment you refuse and start to argue with authorities you proof them riht. On the other hand the shield captain might have had reason to change his opinion would the Greyshields he just called traitors (purposely provoking them) have laid down their weapons, solemnly and calmly accepting whatever decision the Imperium (here represented by the Custodes) see fit. Because that is the cause of action a real traitor would not follow.

In a similar vein, even if it can be argued that there are worlds between Guardsmen and Marines: If an Inquisitor wants to test if an Imperial Regiment is truly loyal or not and calls them traitors, ordering them to prepare for execution and they react by disarming and calmly claiming "yes my Lord." that would be the ultimate proof that they remained faithful. I think that would rarely happen, because Guardsmen are to much normal humans, but I would suspect something like that from a Space Marine who SHOULD be trained and indoctrinated for maximum loyalty without being influenced by things like fear of death.

But again: that is my personal opinion and nothing I would claim as fact.

Yeah, I'm not really disputing the whole "if a high ranking agent of the Imperium tells you to do something, you do it". I'm disputing why the shield-captain told them to do it in the first place.

Perhaps the initial accusation by the Custodes was a test to determine where the space marine loyalties lie? He knew they were expecting to join the Brazen Dragons so wasn’t sure if they would side with the traitors they hadn’t yet met or against them. So he asked the question. If he had no doubts he wouldn’t have told them to disarm, he’d have opened fire without giving them the opportunity to surrender.

It’s not the sensible approach IRL, but seems absolutely appropriate for the setting and in keeping with the distrust the Custodes traditionally have for Space Marines.

I think it’s a default mentality that nobody is “innocent until proven guilty” and rather that everyone is always under suspicion and it’s only a case of waiting for the slightest slip-up to justify ultra violence. Depends what you expect of the setting really, I guess. For me, this is one of the better pieces of lore written in recent times, it perfectly encapsulates the time of the far future in 40k and the fact that there are no good guys, only super evil space nazi catholics with their prejudices and super indoctrinated semi mindless super soldiers, versus the “believe-it-or-not” even worse alternatives.

It’s what’s been missing from so much of the lore and BL fiction, especially the HH stuff. There are no good guys,

He does not only ask them to disarm, he asks twice.

TWICE.

IN WARHAMMER.

Aash wrote:Perhaps the initial accusation by the Custodes was a test to determine where the space marine loyalties lie?

What reason does he have to test them? Does he hold everyone at gunpoint when about to fight against otherwise completely unrelated threats?

He knew they were expecting to join the Brazen Dragons so wasn’t sure if they would side with the traitors they hadn’t yet met or against them. So he asked the question. If he had no doubts he wouldn’t have told them to disarm, he’d have opened fire without giving them the opportunity to surrender.

It’s not the sensible approach IRL, but seems absolutely appropriate for the setting and in keeping with the distrust the Custodes traditionally have for Space Marines.

Whereas I don't think it's inkeeping with the setting's logic, given the can of worms it opens and the implications of it. If the Custodian believed that these Marines were corrupted, and was prepared to kill them even though they had no contact with the Chapter, that would imply the same Custodian would accuse the entire Ultramarines Chapter of heresy if one of their successors turned, which feels absurd for a Custodian to believe. I can absolutely understand them having a disdain for Space Marines, but executing two whole companies with absolutely no proof (again, I'm talking about before the Marines resisted)? If this Custodian is considered normal, then how are there any Space Marines left in the galaxy? So, unless this Custodian is corrupted or rogue, I don't think this story feeds into the setting's internal logic. If GW wanted to show a "corrupt" Custodian or one that was working against his fellow Custodians, I think there's better ways to do it.

But, that's all my opinion.

I think it’s a default mentality that nobody is “innocent until proven guilty” and rather that everyone is always under suspicion and it’s only a case of waiting for the slightest slip-up to justify ultra violence. Depends what you expect of the setting really, I guess. For me, this is one of the better pieces of lore written in recent times, it perfectly encapsulates the time of the far future in 40k and the fact that there are no good guys, only super evil space nazi catholics with their prejudices and super indoctrinated semi mindless super soldiers, versus the “believe-it-or-not” even worse alternatives.

It’s what’s been missing from so much of the lore and BL fiction, especially the HH stuff. There are no good guys,

Eh, I think there's plenty of lore that encapsulates the 'no good guys' stuff without it needing characters to be mindless and illogical (within the setting's ideas of logic).

Again, if they'd literally removed the word Greyshield, I'd be all on board. It's the implication of 'they were only threatened because they were Greyshields' that I don't like. It's just feels a lot like forcing the word in, when it really didn't need to be. Had the Custodian threatened them because they were actually part of the Chapter, it would have made complete internally logical sense. Hell, even if the Custodian had threatened a completely DIFFERENT Chapter because he feels that Space Marines band together regardless of Chapter, it would have been interesting. It's the fact they seem to imply that the Greyshields are at fault simply because they're about to join the Chapter they've had no connection to that feels completely illogical, even for 40k. As I said, remove the word Greyshield, and the story becomes so much more coherent and interesting, IMO.

Something that nobody is mentioning :

‘Brothers, we are betrayed!’ he roared into his gorget’s vox mic, throwing himself sideways as he reached for his own drake-embossed power sword. ‘Consider all outside our Chapter hostile! Seize the fleet!’

Not only he already has a Brazen Drake heraldry on his armor, he even already have nice novelty weapons customized to his new home team! That just doesn't scream "still a total outsider to the chapter", does it?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Something that nobody is mentioning :

‘Brothers, we are betrayed!’ he roared into his gorget’s vox mic, throwing himself sideways as he reached for his own drake-embossed power sword. ‘Consider all outside our Chapter hostile! Seize the fleet!’

Not only he already has a Brazen Drake heraldry on his armor, he even already have nice novelty weapons customized to his new home team! That just doesn't scream "still a total outsider to the chapter", does it?

Exactly. They don't sound like Greyshields, who *are* complete outsiders to their Chapter (from what's been implied). These sound like normal Marines who have long been integrated into the Chapter, and someone just added the word Greyshield because reasons.
Cut out the word Greyshields, and the story makes so much more sense, which is what I've been saying.


With the release of the latest WarCom short story, I'm even more confused. In 'Consquences', we're told that the Greyshields (if they really are) are supposed to meet with Brazen Drakes Master Kaslyn on their homeworld of Khassedur. In 'Retaliation' (which I really like), the Brazen Drakes Chapter Master is Argento Corrian, who's located on Dessah. Now, maybe Dessah isn't the homeworld, sure, but a Chapter Master change? (also just realised that 'Dessah' is actually part of 'Khassedur', taking the middle of the word and reversing it - curious).
Honestly, applying Occam's Razor to this myself, I think that there's a bit of narrative inconsistency here. The writing in both is fine. It's just the details which are a little puzzling.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Something that nobody is mentioning :

‘Brothers, we are betrayed!’ he roared into his gorget’s vox mic, throwing himself sideways as he reached for his own drake-embossed power sword. ‘Consider all outside our Chapter hostile! Seize the fleet!’

Not only he already has a Brazen Drake heraldry on his armor, he even already have nice novelty weapons customized to his new home team! That just doesn't scream "still a total outsider to the chapter", does it?

Exactly. They don't sound like Greyshields, who *are* complete outsiders to their Chapter (from what's been implied). These sound like normal Marines who have long been integrated into the Chapter, and someone just added the word Greyshield because reasons.
Cut out the word Greyshields, and the story makes so much more sense, which is what I've been saying.


With the release of the latest WarCom short story, I'm even more confused. In 'Consquences', we're told that the Greyshields (if they really are) are supposed to meet with Brazen Drakes Master Kaslyn on their homeworld of Khassedur. In 'Retaliation' (which I really like), the Brazen Drakes Chapter Master is Argento Corrian, who's located on Dessah. Now, maybe Dessah isn't the homeworld, sure, but a Chapter Master change? (also just realised that 'Dessah' is actually part of 'Khassedur', taking the middle of the word and reversing it - curious).
Honestly, applying Occam's Razor to this myself, I think that there's a bit of narrative inconsistency here. The writing in both is fine. It's just the details which are a little puzzling.

Maybe their records are out of date. Kaslyn has been replaced by Corian and even the world name is out of date.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Something that nobody is mentioning :

‘Brothers, we are betrayed!’ he roared into his gorget’s vox mic, throwing himself sideways as he reached for his own drake-embossed power sword. ‘Consider all outside our Chapter hostile! Seize the fleet!’

Not only he already has a Brazen Drake heraldry on his armor, he even already have nice novelty weapons customized to his new home team! That just doesn't scream "still a total outsider to the chapter", does it?

Exactly. They don't sound like Greyshields, who *are* complete outsiders to their Chapter (from what's been implied). These sound like normal Marines who have long been integrated into the Chapter, and someone just added the word Greyshield because reasons.
Cut out the word Greyshields, and the story makes so much more sense, which is what I've been saying.


With the release of the latest WarCom short story, I'm even more confused. In 'Consquences', we're told that the Greyshields (if they really are) are supposed to meet with Brazen Drakes Master Kaslyn on their homeworld of Khassedur. In 'Retaliation' (which I really like), the Brazen Drakes Chapter Master is Argento Corrian, who's located on Dessah. Now, maybe Dessah isn't the homeworld, sure, but a Chapter Master change? (also just realised that 'Dessah' is actually part of 'Khassedur', taking the middle of the word and reversing it - curious).
Honestly, applying Occam's Razor to this myself, I think that there's a bit of narrative inconsistency here. The writing in both is fine. It's just the details which are a little puzzling.

That's strange indeed. In Burden of Brotherhood we see Corian though, so he seems to be the right one. Wouldn't be the first time they got names mixed up, I think in the Beast arises series the chapter masters of some first founding chapters changed their names as well... Guess someone missed the briefing...