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Martel732 wrote:
So no one else is sick of marines?

you dont need to do it ad nauseam tho.

The Newman wrote:
I want to say GW needs to drop the Codex model altogether and just do Indexes, with any new rules getting introduced in CA. GW has always had problems with Codex Creep, at least if everyone's rules are getting a once-over at the same time then they're less likely to wind up with something like Marines 2.0 carpet-nuking the game balance.

If it's time for 9th ed it's way past time to do something about their rolling codex obsolescence.

What problem? Working as intended.

Martel732 wrote:
So no one else is sick of marines?

Considering how I play death guard, I'm perfectly fine with people being sick of marines

 Elbows wrote:
Does anyone actually imagine it would occur without one side being Primaris Space Marines? (likely a selection of new units/models). It seems the thread has leaned heavily into the "my dream starter box would be..." rather than logical guesses.

PS: The one exception I could make is if, for the first time ever, really, GW offered 2-4 options of a starter box. I actually think a reduced content box with a softback rulebook and 2-4 options...would actually be a really solid idea and a much better way to get more people into the game. So in that instance I'd expect a few without marines.

Multiple sets won't come unless they break the mold and don't have new moulds for starter set. They won't do 3-4 sets of brand new starter set moulds.


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Tycho wrote:

I don't even expect a new box at all. I think they'll do 8.5 edition with the return of some universal special rules, refined terrain and simply put a new rulebook in Dark Imperium - basically what they did in 7th edition.

Yeah, have to agree with this. Since they said there will "not be a ninth edition", my guess is either new rulebook in Dark Imperium, or a reboxing of the Sdadowspear stuff along with said rulebook.

They have always said newest edition is last, best edition. Nothing unusual there.

Do you really expect them to advertize "yes this is new edition but guess what? WE WILL DO ANOTHER!"

Martel732 wrote:
So no one else is sick of marines?

Plenty are!

Deathwatch v. Admech/NEcrons

This is fanciful wish-listing. Come on, as an effective starter box you know what the likely options are:

Marines (blue/green or red ones because it's a starter box not one that's designed for 20yr+ veterans that don't want marines) vs Chaos (main bad guy for setting) -or- a contrasting but popular Xeno bad-guy faction. Necrons/Tyranids would be an option, Tyranids already having been in a set before.

Odds are Marines vs Spiky/Diseased Marines -or- Marines vs Necrons/Tyranids.

You're not getting a non-Loyalist Marine Imperium faction or a one that isn't a simple colour scheme (Blue/Green/Red). Because that's not the entry point for most people.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or they could do Deathwatch if they just packed Intercessors, Reivers, etc.

Literally anything can be Deathwatch with shoulderpads...except Vanguard, because you ain't getting Vanguard, so move on.

Deathwatch could easily have Vanguard. We won’t move on. It would be great to see in a new starter box or related releases. Move on with your anti-Vanguard Deathwatch sentiments.

Try writing a letter of concern to GW, maybe they'll listen because frankly I'm done with it.

You lot got nearly everything that Marines got, but with an additional rule tacked on for reasons and a unique transport and two unique HQs...but still you just want to be Marines +1 and think you should get every single Marine item.

haha, this shows how little you actually know about Deathwatch, stick with Guard. Get the Deathwatch codex, open it and put alongside Codex Space Marines. Now start writing down every unit Deathwatch don't get access to. Just watch out for that Carpal Tunnel though, k.
Deathwatch are far, far from Marines+1.

tneva82 wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I want to say GW needs to drop the Codex model altogether and just do Indexes, with any new rules getting introduced in CA. GW has always had problems with Codex Creep, at least if everyone's rules are getting a once-over at the same time then they're less likely to wind up with something like Marines 2.0 carpet-nuking the game balance.

If it's time for 9th ed it's way past time to do something about their rolling codex obsolescence.

What problem? Working as intended.

I'm well aware that it's working as intended. It's just that what it's intended to do is both anti-consumer BS and also bad for the long-term health of the company. There's no way that it isn't hurting their customer turn-over numbers.

New Primaris are the most likely.

Necrons sound like a solid bet as well.

Brets vs O&Gs....ah sorry, got confused there.

Dark eldar vs Necrons? Just as a wildcard set. Or maybe Tau vs Nids.

With chaos primaris coming, I don't think it could be anything but marine on marine. Wildcard prediction, emperors children (with shiny new primaris marines) vs white scars, with a new "Chamber" of primaris with the new bike models we've been seeing leaks of.

Squats vs. Nids.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Squats vs. Nids.

Squids?

 Grimgold wrote:
With chaos primaris coming, I don't think it could be anything but marine on marine. Wildcard prediction, emperors children (with shiny new primaris marines) vs white scars, with a new "Chamber" of primaris with the new bike models we've been seeing leaks of.

The "new bike models" aren't. We never have seen a photo that didn't look like someone vasolined the lens.

Additionally, reading anything into the Psychic Awakening stories is daft. It's the whole reason people wouldn't stop whining about Greater Good not having Death Guard in it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
With chaos primaris coming, I don't think it could be anything but marine on marine. Wildcard prediction, emperors children (with shiny new primaris marines) vs white scars, with a new "Chamber" of primaris with the new bike models we've been seeing leaks of.

The "new bike models" aren't. We never have seen a photo that didn't look like someone vasolined the lens.

Additionally, reading anything into the Psychic Awakening stories is daft. It's the whole reason people wouldn't stop whining about Greater Good not having Death Guard in it.

Could you stop being more wrong?
Many of the PA stories highlighted future releases (Stern and Kyganil for example). Literally throughout the whole series this has been the case.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
You can easily make a auxiliary codex out of just what is there and just expand troop types for certain species.

An auxiliary codex sounds a bit weird though: why would vespid be working with kroots and others random species if there are no Tau around to explain why the union?

Because they're both part of the Tau Empire(?).

2nd: Marines vs Orks.
3rd: Marines vs DE
4th: Marines vs Tyranids
5th: Marines vs Orks
6th: Marines vs Chaos
7th: What is game? Buy formations pls.
8th: Marines vs Deathguard.

Betting against that pattern seems... optimistic.
Its also a good indication of how GW impacts faction popularity. (And then kills it. I know so many people who started putting Deathguard armies together on the back of this starter, got creamed a few times, and then said screw this , I'm doing something else.)

I was about to say something similar to what Tyel said. You can bet there will be some variation of loyalist Marines (C:SM or Ultramarines style) vs something else.

Tyel wrote:
2nd: Marines vs Orks.
3rd: Marines vs DE
4th: Marines vs Tyranids
5th: Marines vs Orks
6th: Marines vs Chaos
7th: What is game? Buy formations pls.
8th: Marines vs Deathguard.

Betting against that pattern seems... optimistic.
Its also a good indication of how GW impacts faction popularity. (And then kills it. I know so many people who started putting Deathguard armies together on the back of this starter, got creamed a few times, and then said screw this , I'm doing something else.)

I wouldn't bet against it.

Yeah, that run is one reason why my dreambox of Cadians vs Chaos is unlikely to happen.

Well that, and when little Jimmy gets home and mom asks what he's building, and he repons with "Throatmanglar the Impressively Endowed, chaos lord that follows the demon god of pleasure, Slanesh!"

Kiiinda hard to rope the kiddies in with the spikey lads. Best to go with the cartoonish but safe ones.

Tyel wrote:
2nd: Marines vs Orks.
3rd: Marines vs DE
4th: Marines vs Tyranids
5th: Marines vs Orks
6th: Marines vs Chaos
7th: What is game? Buy formations pls.
8th: Marines vs Deathguard.

Betting against that pattern seems... optimistic.
Its also a good indication of how GW impacts faction popularity. (And then kills it. I know so many people who started putting Deathguard armies together on the back of this starter, got creamed a few times, and then said screw this , I'm doing something else.)

Based on the above, it looks like necrons have a good chance of being the antagonists. Or they could introduce a new faction like DE in 3rd.

If they stick with an existing faction, I doubt chaos knights would be in a starter box while tau and craftwold are perhaps not clear cut villains enough to be the antagonists vs space marines. Equally I doubt it would be space marines vs another imperium faction. So that leaves necrons who are due a redesign or genestealer cults who had a recent model release.

The only other options would be chaos subfactions, but since we just had death guard i’d lean towards xenos. If it is a chaos faction I guess the options would be to introduce chaos guard, chaos or Emperors Children.

What I'd like more than anything is a starter set that have terrain pieces. Considering the quality of the terrain in the kill team and war cry starter set, we could except some amazing new pieces.

Necrons, Tau and Craftworld haven't got a crack at a starter set, so they're all good candidates for the not-marine side. However, with DE having been done in the past, I think that puts Craftworlds on the bottom of that list, unfortunately.

Of course, GW could do a fast one and make the enemy Renegade Guard. But they'd have to drop a good number of guard models to get close to point cost of the good guys - unless you have a *really* small marine force or do something really weird like guard standees...

The Newman wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The Newman wrote:
I want to say GW needs to drop the Codex model altogether and just do Indexes, with any new rules getting introduced in CA. GW has always had problems with Codex Creep, at least if everyone's rules are getting a once-over at the same time then they're less likely to wind up with something like Marines 2.0 carpet-nuking the game balance.

If it's time for 9th ed it's way past time to do something about their rolling codex obsolescence.

What problem? Working as intended.

I'm well aware that it's working as intended. It's just that what it's intended to do is both anti-consumer BS and also bad for the long-term health of the company. There's no way that it isn't hurting their customer turn-over numbers.

I think right now, there are 24 codices? And two are obsolete.

This is why new material is being released in campaign books; that way, your codex continues to serve a purpose. Yes, if you want the latest up date to the faction, it means getting another book, but the first one doesn't lose its purpose. If not for campaign books, by the time PA wraps up, EVERY faction would have had an obsolete dex, and in your 2.0, a large chunk of the material would be a reprint of the material from 1.0.

Advocating for a new edition certainly isn't optimal if you're trying to avoid codex obsolescence; again, a new edition doesn't necessarily mean codice have to become obsolete, but certainly the release of a new edition is the single largest contributing factor to that possibility.

JNAProductions wrote:Squats vs. Nids.

aaaaannnnddddd????? As much as I would love this, I'm not holding my breath.

altho, I never thought there would be plastic Sororitas so.....

I think a new race would be cool, but so many existing factions need "freshening" first.

Usually these starter boxes introduce new units for both factions (following the trends in AoS and 8th edition 40k), so it could be anything.

8th edition was the results of the great rift, and the invasion of Konor and the 500 worlds by the Death Guard (similar to in AOS the first box was the battle between the Stormcast and Bloodbound in the Realmgate wars).

For AOS 2nd edition, they had Malign Portants tease the change of the narrative for months before Soulwars and aos 2 came out, which then detailed the results of the Necroquake.

Psychic Awakening is Malign Portants for 40k, and whatever is in the 9th edtion starter box, will be new units which reflect the narrative changes the psychic awakening will bring to the setting.

But, I don't expect many, or existing units to be in the box.

 Stormonu wrote:
Necrons, Tau and Craftworld haven't got a crack at a starter set, so they're all good candidates for the not-marine side. However, with DE having been done in the past, I think that puts Craftworlds on the bottom of that list, unfortunately.

Of course, GW could do a fast one and make the enemy Renegade Guard. But they'd have to drop a good number of guard models to get close to point cost of the good guys - unless you have a *really* small marine force or do something really weird like guard standees...

I've kicked that one around for a while. The top of my head was:

Chaos
1 Exalted Champion )a lower-level commander than a true Lord since small group)
1 Chaos Sorcerer (But having a psyche in the core might be unbalanced)
10 Chaos Marines
3 Chaos Marine Bikers* (This could be a different unit if there's an old unit getting replaced.)

VS

Imperial Guard
1 Lieutenant
1 Commissar
(one of these two should be a gal)
20 Imperial Guardsmen
1 Leman Russ

At 38 models, it's a bit on the light side, but that Russ is a HUGE model to center it all around.

You cold possibly add one more Chaos unit and one more Guard unit (Possessed and Command Squad? Havocs and three Heavy Weapon Teams?) to keep it balanced, but it'd probably be a big money loser at that stage. Just depends on if you have new plastics to showcase or not. (Not sure what the oldest Chaos units are. I think the Berserkers got updated fairly recently? Is there a unit that needs a refresh?)

two guardsmen per Chaos Marine comes out even, the two Chaos HQ are about 30-50 pts more than the Guard, but thre bikers are about 50 pts less than a Leman Russ, so, ultimately, it's about on par. Depends on if A)the Guard can keep the bikes from getting to the tank and shutting it down from shooting B) If the Sorcerer goes to town with his psychic power, and C) if the guard can catch the Marines out of cover where sheer weight of fire has a chance to bring them down.

Not a perfect balance, but a doable one.

I think a Russ or Chimera would probably be out of the running for a starter set - I think the biggest so far has been something dreadnought sized. I'd think more along the lines of Sentinel if it turned out to be guard. But you might then be able to do some heavy support for the marine side - likely Terminators, maybe a squad of obliterator or mutilators.

But I'm pretty sure the loyalist side is going to be some form of power armor (sadly) - mostly likely, Primaris. The question is, who are they going to be put against?

In all honesty, I feel like it will be Necrons. I just hope its not another round of Chaos.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Plastic Aspects vs Militarum Traitoris

Impossible because I would buy it.