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 Overread wrote:
One big difference is that AoS currently uses fewer models on average than 40K. You can see this when comparing demon armies (which work in both games). I think that GW has made AoS a bit more expensive in points so that army sizes are smaller since the game is "new" and has a lot of newer customers. Whilst 40K hasa greater legacy and a lot of older customers with bigger forces and more desire to put down more models.

I fully expect AoS armies to creep up in size over time. Either by the points values lowering and/or the "base point level" rising.

Nah this heavily depends on the army just like in 40k. Clanrats, Ungors, and many others are 4ppm, some armies has 3ppm guys too. One of my armies that i play for events has 164 models, but another one i play only has 69 models. BUT funny enough, the army with 69 models costs more than the one with 164 models, i have 15 chariots each costing $45 ($675) and those 15 chariots is only 750pts, lol.

Also if you play Horror spam, you can have 9 units of Pink Horrors on the table turn 1 if you get first turn (good chance of it too), 90 pink horrors turns into another 180 models that also can turn into another 180 models. But no one plays that b.c its stupidly boring and long turns. Also a chance you get screwed over and can't summon them all.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Overread wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:


Honestly, 40k has it pretty good when it comes to that stuff, it's obvious to me that GW feels new AOS projects are much riskier/lower volume. When I got my AOS stuff I was frankly amazed at the going retail rates for some of this stuff. There's a biggish character, about C'tan sized, in the AOS army I play and it's a hundred goddamn dollars retail. Literally for something that's about the size of a C'tan or venomthrope, smaller than a dreadnought.

Which model?

The yodeleheehoo of math camp, aka Wave Man.https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eidolon-Of-Mathlann-2018 sorry, 110$.

Hilariously, for 5$ more, I can have this: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Idoneth-Deepkin-Akhelian-Leviadon-2018

And that sits on my shelf next to the suspiciously similarly sized and 75$ less https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Drukhari-Raider

If I hadn't gotten those models in a trade... O.o

Well IDK and FS are the "costly armies" and no one knows why. But you can easily make a 2k army for $200, and a "viable and fun" 2k army for $300-400. Honestly there are many armies that can do that, BCR, FeC, BoC, Goblins, any death army with Nagash can be cheap, SCE, NH.

How many 40k armies (I haven't looked) can make a army worth playing (not GT level that is) for less than $400? Heck even my Quins with 18 bikes alone are $360 and thats only 800pts.

wait...what?

How? How could you possibly make a 2k idoneth army for 200$? USD? The cheapest thing they've got is the SC box, which is 350 points for 90USD. The best I can figure here is 980 points for 120USD, and that's assuming you don't get the tome.

So, please share your secrets, lol.

I didn't say IDK was 200, i said you can make AoS armies for 200, i said IDK is one of the costly armies.


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You can literally get SCE/NH units for pennies per point. You have to get odd sets but its easily doable. And Nagash being 880pts you only need another 1k worth of models as you'll take a battalion, bonus CP, etc.. its easy to get 1k in NH for less than $100.

The way you worded it made it sound very much like you were saying you could build an IDK 2K army for $200.

PS, then you have armies like FeC and BCR. Their SC boxes are 700pts, 2 of those is 1400pts. 3 of them is easily 2k. Sure its a bit over 200, but i also said many armies can be 300-400. I said you "can" make a $200 new playable army.

If you want ot get into AoS for cheap you can. But at the same time an army could cost you $1500 as well as some AoS units/Armies are EXTREMELY costly. Like my chariots (Scourgerunners) 50pts for $45....


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 Overread wrote:
The way you worded it made it sound very much like you were saying you could build an IDK 2K army for $200.

Sorry, no i meant IDK and FS are costly armies but at least in AoS there are some cheap ones. PS LoA is also another costly army, but its FW so....

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I didn't say IDK was 200, i said you can make AoS armies for 200, i said IDK is one of the costly armies.


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You can literally get SCE/NH units for pennies per point. You have to get odd sets but its easily doable. And Nagash being 880pts you only need another 1k worth of models as you'll take a battalion, bonus CP, etc.. its easy to get 1k in NH for less than $100.

"Well IDK and FS are the "costly armies" and no one knows why. But you can easily make a 2k army for $200, and a "viable and fun" 2k army for $300-400."

Apologies if I misinterpreted there, that just VERY much seemed like you claiming that you could make an idk 2k army for 200$.

and if you're talking about getting the older, ported from fantasy models secondhand for penies per point...that's been a thing you can do with 40k for an extremely long time. I could probably make a fairly competitive guard army for an extremely low price buying super-cheap painted secondhand ebay crap, especially considering how good the barebones battlecannon russ is right now. I remember getting the third-ed era sculpt of the russ for like 10-20 bucks off ebay - that's a 140pt model.

Space Marines, Eldar, Guard, pretty much any long-existing army where you can get old sculpts that are good in the current meta, you can easily make a cheap secondhand 2k army for 40k. Even the newer competitive stuff can be real cheap - starter box intercessors are a tournament winning unit right now, after all.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I didn't say IDK was 200, i said you can make AoS armies for 200, i said IDK is one of the costly armies.


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You can literally get SCE/NH units for pennies per point. You have to get odd sets but its easily doable. And Nagash being 880pts you only need another 1k worth of models as you'll take a battalion, bonus CP, etc.. its easy to get 1k in NH for less than $100.

"Well IDK and FS are the "costly armies" and no one knows why. But you can easily make a 2k army for $200, and a "viable and fun" 2k army for $300-400."

Apologies if I misinterpreted there, that just VERY much seemed like you claiming that you could make an idk 2k army for 200$.

and if you're talking about getting the older, ported from fantasy models secondhand for penies per point...that's been a thing you can do with 40k for an extremely long time. I could probably make a fairly competitive guard army for an extremely low price buying super-cheap painted secondhand ebay crap, especially considering how good the barebones battlecannon russ is right now. I remember getting the third-ed era sculpt of the russ for like 10-20 bucks off ebay - that's a 140pt model.

Space Marines, Eldar, Guard, pretty much any long-existing army where you can get old sculpts that are good in the current meta, you can easily make a cheap secondhand 2k army for 40k. Even the newer competitive stuff can be real cheap - starter box intercessors are a tournament winning unit right now, after all.

Its NP at all. But man I wish lol. I had a LARGE IDK army... when i mean large i mean larger than the normal IDK player, i've spent way to much on them for sure.


Also i mean new models still in the package. GW has put many smaller 4-10 man units in a lot of odd box sets, in magazines, and just small push fit sets in general over the years. Some of the kits oddly tho are not released in all countries, so the $200 claim might only work for some countries. Some shops even limited some of those released to 1 per customer b.c everyone is looking for them as they are great deals (basically free models). They are using NH and SCE to get new players into AoS for cheap.

 DarkHound wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Altho you are right , it feels wrong for those tiny bits of plastic to be sold probably X4 what they cost to make.

well the models don't have to just pay for production, they have to pay salaries, bonuses, dividends, generate money to replace broken machines, molds, new buildings, pay for the adds and the storage space. Not saying that GW isn't making good money, they seem to be doing real good, but the X cents per sprue that turns in to 35$ at the store is probably a bid miss leading.

Not to get off topic, but the thing that bothers me is the arbitrary nature of GW pricing. I get that more detailed kits are going to be more expensive relative to their plastic. The price is correlated somewhat to game point values. They seem to price things based on how many the players are expected to use. You can see this in any faction's Troops vs Elites kits.

I also understand bundles cost less than the sum of their parts. However, when the Start Collecting boxes offer 30-40% discounts, you have to wonder about the individual prices. As an AdMech player, why would I ever buy a Dunecrawler at $75 over a Start Collecting at $95?

Price doesn't seem that correlated to points values, but you're absolutely right that they set the price based on how many they expect to sell. Most of the cost is in product development and tooling the dies, and after that there's the opportunity cost of time on the machines. A unit that everybody will buy 10 of, like Guardsmen, will make back it's cost far better than say a unique commissar, which will only sell 1 per person.

I have no citation, but I once heard that the price is set partially based on how many they expect to sell on launch day to cover the cost of the tooling and die. I'm not totally sure I believe it, but it is logically sound.

I've heard that too, also have no idea if it is true. But there has been AMA's from e GW workers that has said they will work on armies and then add something to that army that did sell well. Let me see if i can't find that.



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Boom, Andy Chambers himself
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/7decnl/im_andy_chambers_ask_me_anything/

Theres only 2 ways to MAKE something cheap and 1 of those ways is damn near impossible to achieve cuz humanity sucks.
1. Get more people into the hobby - this means more money for GW and this only helps warhammer grow MORE. If this game had 50 million people playing it we'd be seeing a lot of different things.
2. Set the price. How? Mass stop buying. Get a good portion like 70% of the people that play this game and just STOP buying until GW is forced to lower their prices to a lower point. This has huge side effects on everything and will likely NEVER happen. But supply meets demand and if theres no demand?

So the two ways to make the game cheaper involve either expanding the market in a massive way or reducing it in a massive way. Remembering that both directions have to be maintained for the long term.

If you go on a huge "no one buys" campaign for a weekend that's fine. In fact GW just had a whole month of not a single person buying a single product from them and they are still functional. You'd have to maintain lower sales for a very very long period of time to affect prices. In addition the most likely early result wouldn't be lower prices, it would be attempts at investment to reinvigorate the market and if that failed - axing products. Cutting the production down to the most profitable lines. So chances are all those wonderful specialist games we like would steadily vanish; all those side games gone.



Expanding the market is far more likely to happen and far more beneficial for all involved. Everyone basically wins.

How to make 40k a cheap hobby:

don't buy anything from GW or OVP (minis, colours, terrain), it does not matter if you go with second hand or 3rd party, it will save you a lot

get a generic army and don't use an original theme
specially Marines are cheap if you are generic and use the models for different factions (so no need to buy new models if you want to start a new army, just need a new codex)

Rahdok wrote:
Theres only 2 ways to MAKE something cheap and 1 of those ways is damn near impossible to achieve cuz humanity sucks.
1. Get more people into the hobby - this means more money for GW and this only helps warhammer grow MORE. If this game had 50 million people playing it we'd be seeing a lot of different things.
2. Set the price. How? Mass stop buying. Get a good portion like 70% of the people that play this game and just STOP buying until GW is forced to lower their prices to a lower point. This has huge side effects on everything and will likely NEVER happen. But supply meets demand and if theres no demand?

Both won't make the game cheaper but just more expensive
if GW does not sell it, they make it cost more so that the lower sales will give them the same amount of profit (and those left will pay any price)

If the game gets bigger, it won't get cheaper as there is no reason to sell for less if more people are willing to pay the current price or more

and both points work against each other anyway as more people playing but less people buying will only result in GW replacing that game with something else and start from scratch (been there, done that)

the_scotsman wrote:

Well, legally speaking making something for your own use breaks a looooooooot fewer laws in many places than participating in a financial transaction for something that is someone else's IP.

After all, nothing is stopping you from sculpting an identical model to some Forgeworld sculpt out of clay or greenstuff or something...it's just a vastly more technologically advanced method of doing that.

Technically, sculpting an identical copy of a Forgeworld sculpt is copyright infringement, regardless of whether you do it with putty or on a PC. The difference is that GW have generally not minded one-offs (and used to say as much on their legal page) as an expression of the hobby, only stomping on people casting their reproductions.

Rahdok wrote:
2. Set the price. How? Mass stop buying. Get a good portion like 70% of the people that play this game and just STOP buying until GW is forced to lower their prices to a lower point. This has huge side effects on everything and will likely NEVER happen. But supply meets demand and if theres no demand?

How'd that work out for WHFB?

Karol wrote:

ccs 788009 10788353 wrote:

Assuming you stick with 40k & only your GK going forward, you'll find that your hobby is considerably cheaper here on out.
(assuming no piracy/access to free rules) You'll be investing in new books on occasion - a new rule book every 4 years or so, a new codex every 4-5 years, possibly the annual CA books &/or things like PA. Eventually as $ permits, some additional models. And some paint + supplies - or paying someone to paint.

Oh the store in my area went bankrupt, so without a place to play my hobbby may as well not exist. I just wish I could have played more with PA4. I got it mid Feb, just after winter break. and on 2ed of march goverment locked everything up. Played total of 3 games with the new rules.

Paint wise I am also done, because the army was fully painted asided for 2 rhinos. that are just silver.

Two "just silver rhinos" eh? Well, now's the time to fix that.
Watch a few paint tutorials, get a few brushes and some paints & add some details. Doesn't have to be crazy stuff. Start by painting the tracks. Add a bit of Nuln Oil shade to the exhausts, paint the vision slits & the weapons. Add unit markings.

You can also scratch build them various turrets to turn them into razorbacks, predators, etc.

As for gaming? Have you heard of Table Top Simulator on Steam? I hear you can play 40k on it. Might be something to look into.

I threw them out, after I was told termintors can get inside.

besides I would not have a place to buy paints anymore. The store is gone, and painting just for painting is not fun for me. I never like art stuff at school, to no small part to the fact that I was bad at it.

I think that buying in to w40k, and more specific in to my army was worse mistake I made ever, and I did a fair amount of stupid gak, before going to a sports school. My sister is 3 months younger then me, with her confirmation money, she bought herself a tablet and a bike. She used both almost every day for the last 2+ years. I don't think I have seen her being unhappy about either ever.

I was happy about the stuff I bought till game 5-7, and it only got worse the more I got to know about w40k, GW and how they update stuff. I was super hyped for PA4, but got to use it 3 times in total. All in all w40k, I think, taught me a lot about life in general

 insaniak wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Well, legally speaking making something for your own use breaks a looooooooot fewer laws in many places than participating in a financial transaction for something that is someone else's IP.

After all, nothing is stopping you from sculpting an identical model to some Forgeworld sculpt out of clay or greenstuff or something...it's just a vastly more technologically advanced method of doing that.

Technically, sculpting an identical copy of a Forgeworld sculpt is copyright infringement, regardless of whether you do it with putty or on a PC. The difference is that GW have generally not minded one-offs (and used to say as much on their legal page) as an expression of the hobby, only stomping on people casting their reproductions

No, as long as you don't sell a 1:1 copy there is no copyright infringement and GW can do nothing about.

they don't accept those because they are nice but because they can do nothing about it as long as people don't start selling it

Karol wrote:
I threw them out, after I was told termintors can get inside.

All in all w40k, I think, taught me a lot about life in general

I'm not sure how much it taught you about life compared to perhaps how much it helped teach you about yourself. Perhaps also your perceptions of others - although if your perceptions are accurate then you seem to live with the worst local gaming group ever heard of.

Hmmmm....yeah, I think it was that stupid vacuum cleaner a couple of months ago that fell apart and the company got me on some stupid warranty technicality. That was the last time I wasted 300$ on something completely stupid.

Of course, I'm making sure to spend 2 to 3 years complaining about it on a vacuum forum, as you do.

You can also stretch the value of your plastic by making strategic decisions about your collection/blundering into happy accidents (in my case).

My Slaanesh Daemons work for 40K, AoS and Kill Team. My Renegades work for 40K, Kill Team and Necromunda.

In 40K, they can be run as any one of R&H, GSC or AM.

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It is still an infringement of IP rights and is still actionable at law. However, if you haven't suffered any damages, or have suffered only very slight damages, then your case will be dismissed as 'de minimis non curat lex'.

 DarkHound wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Altho you are right , it feels wrong for those tiny bits of plastic to be sold probably X4 what they cost to make.

well the models don't have to just pay for production, they have to pay salaries, bonuses, dividends, generate money to replace broken machines, molds, new buildings, pay for the adds and the storage space. Not saying that GW isn't making good money, they seem to be doing real good, but the X cents per sprue that turns in to 35$ at the store is probably a bid miss leading.

Not to get off topic, but the thing that bothers me is the arbitrary nature of GW pricing. I get that more detailed kits are going to be more expensive relative to their plastic. The price is correlated somewhat to game point values. They seem to price things based on how many the players are expected to use. You can see this in any faction's Troops vs Elites kits.

I also understand bundles cost less than the sum of their parts. However, when the Start Collecting boxes offer 30-40% discounts, you have to wonder about the individual prices. As an AdMech player, why would I ever buy a Dunecrawler at $75 over a Start Collecting at $95?

Look at the cost of the models which come with the Warhammer: Conquest magazine.

2 Chaos Spawn are £25 direct from GW, but with Hachette taking a cut, GW can still make a profit on selling them for £8.

I get that GW have additional overheads - rent, staff costs, printing the instructions and cardboard box, possibly distribution - but come on now...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 DarkHound wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Altho you are right , it feels wrong for those tiny bits of plastic to be sold probably X4 what they cost to make.

well the models don't have to just pay for production, they have to pay salaries, bonuses, dividends, generate money to replace broken machines, molds, new buildings, pay for the adds and the storage space. Not saying that GW isn't making good money, they seem to be doing real good, but the X cents per sprue that turns in to 35$ at the store is probably a bid miss leading.

Not to get off topic, but the thing that bothers me is the arbitrary nature of GW pricing. I get that more detailed kits are going to be more expensive relative to their plastic. The price is correlated somewhat to game point values. They seem to price things based on how many the players are expected to use. You can see this in any faction's Troops vs Elites kits.

I also understand bundles cost less than the sum of their parts. However, when the Start Collecting boxes offer 30-40% discounts, you have to wonder about the individual prices. As an AdMech player, why would I ever buy a Dunecrawler at $75 over a Start Collecting at $95?

Look at the cost of the models which come with the Warhammer: Conquest magazine.

2 Chaos Spawn are £25 direct from GW, but with Hachette taking a cut, GW can still make a profit on selling them for £8.

I get that GW have additional overheads - rent, staff costs, printing the instructions and cardboard box, possibly distribution - but come on now...

...Come on now, what? Have you ever managed overheads for a commercial product? Do you know how many things based on cents' worth of chinese plastic end up having a perfectly reasonable end retail price of 50+ USD?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

I get that GW have additional overheads - rent, staff costs, printing the instructions and cardboard box, possibly distribution - but come on now...

What do you mean 'possibly' distribution? Yes, distribution. The cost of their staff, buildings, machinery, uniforms, fitting out retail stores, IT equipment and services, phone bills, office furniture, stationery... Every single thing that GW as a company pays for, it pays for out of money raised by selling miniatures, paints, licenced video games, etc.

 Overread wrote:

Karol wrote:
I threw them out, after I was told termintors can get inside.

All in all w40k, I think, taught me a lot about life in general

I'm not sure how much it taught you about life compared to perhaps how much it helped teach you about yourself. Perhaps also your perceptions of others - although if your perceptions are accurate then you seem to live with the worst local gaming group ever heard of.

read thew news about what is happening in my country. the people at my store were neither, better nor worse then avarge people in my country.

And the main lesson I learned from all of this is, which is always a problem for me, is that the stuff people say or tell, is almost never what they mean. Am not sure there is anything new for me to learn about myself, besides the fact that what people tell me about me seems to be right.

Hmmmm....yeah, I think it was that stupid vacuum cleaner a couple of months ago that fell apart and the company got me on some stupid warranty technicality. That was the last time I wasted 300$ on something completely stupid.

Of course, I'm making sure to spend 2 to 3 years complaining about it on a vacuum forum, as you do.

I don't think I am following you. what do Vacuums have to do with w40k? 300$ was my comfirmation money, I am never going to get money like that till I go to work, and even then 300$ is a lot in my country. As for why I am still here, I think I said it before. I wanted to first learn how to play my army the right way. And it took me a long time to understand that the army was both bad, and the unit selection I had was even worse. Then it took me even longer to understand that GW is not just going to fix it, just because it is bad. And now I am here, because the schools are closed in my country. I have no trainings, and nothing to do at home. So I am bored.

Crispy78 wrote:

What do you mean 'possibly' distribution? Yes, distribution. The cost of their staff, buildings, machinery, uniforms, fitting out retail stores, IT equipment and services, phone bills, office furniture, stationery... Every single thing that GW as a company pays for, it pays for out of money raised by selling miniatures, paints, licenced video games, etc.

and all of this does not matter because as long as GW makes a high yearly profit
all those costs are covered with the stuff they are selling and there is still enough left, which means there is room to decrease the prices (instead of increase) and still cover all the costs

it is not that GW needs those high prices to keep the company running, they need those high prices to make more profit every year and keep the shareholders satisfied

 kodos wrote:


No, as long as you don't sell a 1:1 copy there is no copyright infringement and GW can do nothing about.

If you copy something that is protected by copyright, you have infringed on that copyright. That's literally what copyright does.

If it's for personal use only, then the chances of that actually leading to any sort of action are remote to none, since the 'damages' in that case are miniscule... but it is still technically an infringement.

Crispy78 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

I get that GW have additional overheads - rent, staff costs, printing the instructions and cardboard box, possibly distribution - but come on now...

What do you mean 'possibly' distribution?

Presumably the spawn kits which GW sell directly through their webstore don't incur as much in the way of distribution as those which are sold through their stores or independent retailers.

Crispy78 wrote:
Yes, distribution. The cost of their staff, buildings, machinery, uniforms, fitting out retail stores, IT equipment and services, phone bills, office furniture, stationery... Every single thing that GW as a company pays for, it pays for out of money raised by selling miniatures, paints, licenced video games, etc.

Those costs are all still baked in to the £8 spawn just as much as they are the £25 spawn.

 insaniak wrote:

 kodos wrote:


No, as long as you don't sell a 1:1 copy there is no copyright infringement and GW can do nothing about.

If you copy something that is protected by copyright, you have infringed on that copyright. That's literally what copyright does.

If it's for personal use only, then the chances of that actually leading to any sort of action are remote to none, since the 'damages' in that case are miniscule... but it is still technically an infringement.

This.
It doesn’t have to be even close to exact.
Anything that shares any key details or ideas can actually breach copyright.

Selling such is massively a no go zone.

Personal use still breaches it but it’s much more relaxed.
My local GW had no issues that I was moulding skaven engineer heads for my globadiers as I wasn’t buying 60 doom wheel kits for heads.
If I were to sell those though it would be a different story entirely.

To a degree, selling parts advertised as compatible with warhammer can cause issues, as with displaying your own parts on models.
That’s why most companies that do so do not display their minis side by side or on GW models.

Jackal90 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 kodos wrote:


No, as long as you don't sell a 1:1 copy there is no copyright infringement and GW can do nothing about.

If you copy something that is protected by copyright, you have infringed on that copyright. That's literally what copyright does.

If it's for personal use only, then the chances of that actually leading to any sort of action are remote to none, since the 'damages' in that case are miniscule... but it is still technically an infringement.

This.
It doesn’t have to be even close to exact.
Anything that shares any key details or ideas can actually breach copyright.

might be a UK thing than, but with our copyright law, making a Rhino out of MDF, Paper, Plasticcard or 3D print one (if I make my own STL design/file) is totally legal as long as I don't sell them

if I start selling it, it will depend on how close it is to the original if it is legal or not (as inspired by or copied makes a difference, not even close to exact in mdf will be enough to legally sell it)


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Jackal90 wrote:

To a degree, selling parts advertised as compatible with warhammer can cause issues, as with displaying your own parts on models.
That’s why most companies that do so do not display their minis side by side or on GW models.

this is totally fine and as long as the GW models are clearly marked as being GW IP etc

most companies just don't do it because a 2 man garage unit does not have the money to go to court if GW sends a letter (even with a high chance to win)


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PS: as an example
https://www.treveye.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=548035

and those are sold for years now

there is a difference what GW wanted international Copyright law to be and what it really is (a reason why to shut down all those community and fan projects around 2008 was that GW learned from a German 40k movie project that German CP law is very different and they got into panic mode)

 kodos wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 kodos wrote:


No, as long as you don't sell a 1:1 copy there is no copyright infringement and GW can do nothing about.

If you copy something that is protected by copyright, you have infringed on that copyright. That's literally what copyright does.

If it's for personal use only, then the chances of that actually leading to any sort of action are remote to none, since the 'damages' in that case are miniscule... but it is still technically an infringement.

This.
It doesn’t have to be even close to exact.
Anything that shares any key details or ideas can actually breach copyright.

might be a UK thing than, but with our copyright law, making a Rhino out of MDF, Paper, Plasticcard or 3D print one (if I make my own STL design/file) is totally legal as long as I don't sell them

if I start selling it, it will depend on how close it is to the original if it is legal or not (as inspired by or copied makes a difference, not even close to exact in mdf will be enough to legally sell it)


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Jackal90 wrote:

To a degree, selling parts advertised as compatible with warhammer can cause issues, as with displaying your own parts on models.
That’s why most companies that do so do not display their minis side by side or on GW models.

this is totally fine and as long as the GW models are clearly marked as being GW IP etc

most companies just don't do it because a 2 man garage unit does not have the money to go to court if GW sends a letter (even with a high chance to win)

The main issue is that it’s not legal, being UK based it follows their laws.
Copyright does not distinguish massively between making them and doing so to sell, breaching their IP does that instantly regardless of the reason or intent.
They just take a less hard stance on personal use.

Displaying warhammer models with your own or with parts made by yourself/company breaches it too.
You are using their IP to display your products.
That’s caught out several companies despite stating its for display purposes and that IPs are owned by GW.



Edit: your example shows a model that looks nothing similar.
It shares a door size and that is all.
It’s advertised as an alternative, not as that product or compatible with that product.

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Crispy78 wrote:
Yes, distribution. The cost of their staff, buildings, machinery, uniforms, fitting out retail stores, IT equipment and services, phone bills, office furniture, stationery... Every single thing that GW as a company pays for, it pays for out of money raised by selling miniatures, paints, licenced video games, etc.

Those costs are all still baked in to the £8 spawn just as much as they are the £25 spawn.

That's assuming they make a profit on that particular transaction. It probably evens out when other issues still cost £8 and you only get a pot of paint bundled. It's also a reasonable assumption that the Conquest series as a whole is a loss-leader to get more people into the hobby and buying full-priced kits.