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Doesnt this mean that any BIKER unit can use it ? It doesnt have to be a KHORNE BIKER ?

No. Khorne infantry or
Khorne biker.

Why ? It says or BIKER unit, not or HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE BIKER unit.

So it works on GSC bikers and SM bikers too? I think not.

Aash wrote:
So it works on GSC bikers and SM bikers too? I think not.

No. As GSC or SM you dont get to use CSM stratagems. You need a CSM detachment to unlock stratagems from codex CSM. You cant use GSC or SM with CSM in matched play. Your gotcha attempt failed.

Once again, apply some common sense.

If you dont believe that is possible, this is not the game for you.

If you want to be that guy, sure, you could use it on any Biker because GW tried to save some text space by writing HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE INFANTRY or BIKER instead of HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE INFANTRY or HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE BIKER.

While you're at it, I would recommend you to use Tide of Traitors on an ennemy cultists unit to redeploy it elsewhere. Afterall, nothing says that you need to use it on your own cultists units.

And don't forget to get in a fight with your opponent when he wants to use Assault Weapons after Advancing because he should not be able to select a unit which advanced.

Now try to do that in a real game

 p5freak wrote:
Why ? It says or BIKER unit, not or HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE BIKER unit.

The "Starting a New Edition" FAQ clarified that it is KHORNE INFANTRY or KHORNE BIKER.

The document is still on GW's servers, just a little hard to find. https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Warhammer_40000_Stepping_into_a_New_Edition_of_Warhammer_40000.pdf

Q: A Space Marine Apothecary’s Narthecium ability says to select a ‘friendly <Chapter> Infantry or Biker unit’. Does this mean ‘a friendly <Chapter> Infantry or <Chapter> Biker unit’ or can it be used to affect Biker units from other Chapters?
A: It means ‘<Chapter> Infantry or <Chapter> Biker’ – you cannot select a Biker unit from a different Chapter.

Also, under English both parsings are "valid", so generally people use the interpretation that isn't silly. This differs from things where there is only one parsing that is silly.

The last one I have done in games just to mess with people. Nobody really knows how assault weapons and pistols are supposed to work.

But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

OP: it's an inclusive or. That means you can use Infantry or Bikers, and everything coming before it applies to both. Applying this to any Biker means you are cheating.

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

That hasn't worked since the new codex. Both Rhinos and Repulsors say "instead of shooting in your Shooting phase"

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

That hasn't worked since the new codex. Both Rhinos and Repulsors say "instead of shooting in your Shooting phase"

I would have had to bought the new Codex for that to apply.

GW explicitly said the new Codex was optional, they bifurcated the rules without issuing a FAQ.

I'm not going to play with rules they said you don't have to use.

Citation please, because pretty sure you have to use the latest rules. Otherwise I'd love my pre-nerf Comissiars.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

That hasn't worked since the new codex. Both Rhinos and Repulsors say "instead of shooting in your Shooting phase"

I would have had to bought the new Codex for that to apply.

GW explicitly said the new Codex was optional, they bifurcated the rules without issuing a FAQ.

I'm not going to play with rules they said you don't have to use.

For clarification, which codexes are we talking about? Rhinos appear in Space marines, CSM, SOB etc.

Right, good point. Chaos Rhinos can still do it in the opponents turn.

 p5freak wrote:
Why ? It says or BIKER unit, not or HERETIC ASTARTES KHORNE BIKER unit.

Because, in the context of the rule, they are talking about KHORNE BIKER units, not any old unit with the BIKER keyword.

Context is important, do not ignore it.

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

That hasn't worked since the new codex. Both Rhinos and Repulsors say "instead of shooting in your Shooting phase"

I would have had to bought the new Codex for that to apply.

GW explicitly said the new Codex was optional, they bifurcated the rules without issuing a FAQ.

I'm not going to play with rules they said you don't have to use.

For clarification, which codexes are we talking about? Rhinos appear in Space marines, CSM, SOB etc.

For clarity's sake: Codex Chaos Space Marines v II came out around the same time as Vigilus Ablaze. GW issued a chart explaining whether or not you need the new Codex. The chart said you don't need the new Codex if you have a copy of the original + Vigilus Ablaze.

The wording around using smoke launchers was changed in CCSM v2. Per GW instructions, I never bought it, therefore any wording changes don't apply to my army. FAQs, CA points changes, etc do apply - I am using the latest rules / points / datasheets at all times, just not the optional ones.

My FLGS was playing smoke launchers in the opponent's turn since the start of 8th, no one ever thought this was anything but RAW and RAI. It wasn't until about a year ago people started questioning it and that's not a reason to change. GW can FAQ the original Codex if they want this gone, which probably will not happen.

FWIW, the times this comes up for me is with Predators, Sicarans and Hellforged Scorpius tanks. Combined with Prepared Positions, it makes a big difference to the survivability of these high-priority targets when I'm going second. I think 40k would be a better game if this was the standard instead of only being able to use them in your shooting phase.

Because the Original Codex got errata for the units in it to match the units in the New Codex. You don't need the New Codex if you don't have any of the new units. The Old Codex and New Codex have the same rules for the units in the Old Codex.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Because the Original Codex got errata for the units in it to match the units in the New Codex. You don't need the New Codex if you don't have any of the new units. The Old Codex and New Codex have the same rules for the units in the Old Codex.

Can you point me at the errata? Possible that I missed the bit about smoke launchers, I don't remember seeing it.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Because the Original Codex got errata for the units in it to match the units in the New Codex. You don't need the New Codex if you don't have any of the new units. The Old Codex and New Codex have the same rules for the units in the Old Codex.

Can you point me at the errata? Possible that I missed the bit about smoke launchers, I don't remember seeing it.

Like I said, the Old Codex Units are the same as the New Codex Units, and like I also said, Chaos Rhinos can still do Smoke in the opponents turn. It's only Loyalist Rhinos that got changed to not be able to do it. My bad I spaced out on the fact we were talking about the CSM codex.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Because the Original Codex got errata for the units in it to match the units in the New Codex. You don't need the New Codex if you don't have any of the new units. The Old Codex and New Codex have the same rules for the units in the Old Codex.

Can you point me at the errata? Possible that I missed the bit about smoke launchers, I don't remember seeing it.

Like I said, the Old Codex Units are the same as the New Codex Units, and like I also said, Chaos Rhinos can still do Smoke in the opponents turn. It's only Loyalist Rhinos that got changed to not be able to do it. My bad I spaced out on the fact we were talking about the CSM codex.

Ah, makes sense. I'm always happy to be corrected, there's so many rules in so many places these days I never know if I missed something.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Aash wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
But I'd argue what's more annoying for opponents is when I start popping smoke from my Rhinos in their shooting phase. Some people really do not believe you can do that.

Wow! I had no idea about this. Interesting that the phrasing is completely different for Repulsors, preventing this.

That hasn't worked since the new codex. Both Rhinos and Repulsors say "instead of shooting in your Shooting phase"

Non codex SM rhinos (BA, SW, etc.) didnt change.