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 Grimtuff wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The difference is no one is saying they're going out of business now.


Indeed. People quickly forget how Pokemon nearly toppled them, only for GW to be saved by LOTR and the dark days of Kirby’s reign of terror when people were jumping to other systems left and right.

GW has come dangerously close to going out of business in the past and what makes them all of a sudden immune now?


Kirby? They were making steady profits that actually rose up during Kirby. They weren't in danger of going out of business any time soon.

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 Grimtuff wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The difference is no one is saying they're going out of business now.


Indeed. People quickly forget how Pokemon nearly toppled them, only for GW to be saved by LOTR and the dark days of Kirby’s reign of terror when people were jumping to other systems left and right.

GW has come dangerously close to going out of business in the past and what makes them all of a sudden immune now?


the dark ages, where we didn't even have a PR department to hype us up and sell us pricehikes as "AdJuSTmEntS"

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tneva82 wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The difference is no one is saying they're going out of business now.


Indeed. People quickly forget how Pokemon nearly toppled them, only for GW to be saved by LOTR and the dark days of Kirby’s reign of terror when people were jumping to other systems left and right.

GW has come dangerously close to going out of business in the past and what makes them all of a sudden immune now?


Kirby? They were making steady profits that actually rose up during Kirby. They weren't in danger of going out of business any time soon.


I see you’re one of the ones who forgot. Have a look at GW’s financials from circa 6th/7th ed 40k and pre AoS. Or do you not remember PP having a boom period and you not being able to get Warmachine minis for love nor money as people abandoned the gak show that GW turned into?


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Obispudkenobi wrote:
Hats off they have given warning of the rise, can't think of another retailer who would do that .
Most miniature companies don't adjust prices of a large chunk of products by 10-20% annually. Some more or less never change their original pricing. All the ones I know that for various reasons have increased prices over the past couple of years have given an advance warning of this fact, listing the affected products and the new prices. Oh, and they've typically given a reason why.

So I'm not that thankful to GW for raising the prices (again), trying to make it sound like a good thing ("Most products have remained the same price for years!" "The majority of the range will stay the same!" #fornow), and leaving us to find external sources in order to find out how high the increase will be then.


Perhaps the Warhammer: The Old World release should move away from ranked combat and be some skirmish game after all. If the prospect of buying several blocks of 20-50 infantry was bad enough some years back, it's far worse at present, and I struggle to imagine the costs of new or further "adjusted" sets 3-4 years from now...
   
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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Perhaps the Warhammer: The Old World release should move away from ranked combat and be some skirmish game after all. If the prospect of buying several blocks of 20-50 infantry was bad enough some years back, it's far worse at present, and I struggle to imagine the costs of new or further "adjusted" sets 3-4 years from now...


I don't know if GW have enough self-awareness to realise that's more or less what killed Fantasy or if they'll just bank on the initial re-hype giving them a healthy surge of money from the "OMG NEW GW PRODUCT MUST BUY" and then leave it to rot.

A Song of Ice & Fire goes the right way about it. You buy your 'ranked tray' of 12 dudes and that's your unit. You can't add more, you cant take any away (although to you can replace one guy with an Attachment on some units). For all that people go on about how ranked games don't work for the amount of miniatures require I've been genuinely caught off-guard by how affordable it is compared to most other non-skirmish systems.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Perhaps the Warhammer: The Old World release should move away from ranked combat and be some skirmish game after all. If the prospect of buying several blocks of 20-50 infantry was bad enough some years back, it's far worse at present, and I struggle to imagine the costs of new or further "adjusted" sets 3-4 years from now...


I don't know if GW have enough self-awareness to realise that's more or less what killed Fantasy or if they'll just bank on the initial re-hype giving them a healthy surge of money from the "OMG NEW GW PRODUCT MUST BUY" and then leave it to rot.

A Song of Ice & Fire goes the right way about it. You buy your 'ranked tray' of 12 dudes and that's your unit. You can't add more, you cant take any away (although to you can replace one guy with an Attachment on some units). For all that people go on about how ranked games don't work for the amount of miniatures require I've been genuinely caught off-guard by how affordable it is compared to most other non-skirmish systems.


Thing is 40K was running some armies as big as Old World armies and was doing fine. Old World wasn't just killed by needing lots of models in itself. It was killed by many factors - large armies as an entry point was what killed it. It didn't have Warcry or Underworlds nor any real skirmish mode that was engaging to players to ease them in. Heck at lower point values the game was very much a case that you had one or two blocks of troops and a leader on each side so you just moved forward and rolled dice. You didn't have enough blocks of units on the map to make it engaging until you hit the bigger point values.

Furthermore the more marginal the playerbase got the more you had those hanging on with 2K armies playing 2K games and the newbies with a handful of models. A huge disparity that was hard to bridge the gap. Couple that to marketing and other issues and you've a game of dwindling popularity.

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 Overread wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Perhaps the Warhammer: The Old World release should move away from ranked combat and be some skirmish game after all. If the prospect of buying several blocks of 20-50 infantry was bad enough some years back, it's far worse at present, and I struggle to imagine the costs of new or further "adjusted" sets 3-4 years from now...


I don't know if GW have enough self-awareness to realise that's more or less what killed Fantasy or if they'll just bank on the initial re-hype giving them a healthy surge of money from the "OMG NEW GW PRODUCT MUST BUY" and then leave it to rot.

A Song of Ice & Fire goes the right way about it. You buy your 'ranked tray' of 12 dudes and that's your unit. You can't add more, you cant take any away (although to you can replace one guy with an Attachment on some units). For all that people go on about how ranked games don't work for the amount of miniatures require I've been genuinely caught off-guard by how affordable it is compared to most other non-skirmish systems.


Thing is 40K was running some armies as big as Old World armies and was doing fine. Old World wasn't just killed by needing lots of models in itself. It was killed by many factors - large armies as an entry point was what killed it. It didn't have Warcry or Underworlds nor any real skirmish mode that was engaging to players to ease them in. Heck at lower point values the game was very much a case that you had one or two blocks of troops and a leader on each side so you just moved forward and rolled dice. You didn't have enough blocks of units on the map to make it engaging until you hit the bigger point values.

Furthermore the more marginal the playerbase got the more you had those hanging on with 2K armies playing 2K games and the newbies with a handful of models. A huge disparity that was hard to bridge the gap. Couple that to marketing and other issues and you've a game of dwindling popularity.

I think the difference when it comes to Fantasy is that until recently (Scions, Acolytes, etc) with some exceptions you could buy a unit and that was your unit. Sure you might buy multiple, but they were their own self-contained squad and despite being visually similar, were getting built up and placed on the board independently. It lends a certain 'weight' to buying into multiple Troops that Fantasy's Core Tax just didn't have. Who wanted to paint up 120 Dwarf Warriors for just two units? Compared to 40k, just about every army in 8th was a 'horde army', whilst in 40k they exist, but are a common exception (Guard, Tyranids, GSC, Orks) rather than the rule.

As you say, Fantasy at a lower points level just doesn't work like x1 HQ and x2 Troops choices do in a low level game of 40k.

It won't happen, but I'll repeat my belief that if The Old World is going to see any success they really ought to be aiming for 1 Box = 1 Unit when it comes to Core, even if that one, lone box ends up being marked up higher for more models initially, it would be an improvement on paying £90-£120 (more these days I imagine) just to fill out one viable unit. With things like Fyreslayers they seem consciously aware they 'can' price out an entire range (if it's not Marines anyway) but something tells me they'd only quietly acknowledge that after it's flopped.

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Then again fantasy never was 1 box=1 unit for core at least 5th ed onward. Can't say about 4th ed or before because didn't play that time.

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Obispudkenobi wrote:
Hats off they have given warning of the rise, can't think of another retailer who would do that .
I suspect that selling vouchers and then price hiking without at least one day where those vouchers can be used would have resulted in a visit from a consumer watchdog.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Then again fantasy never was 1 box=1 unit for core at least 5th ed onward. Can't say about 4th ed or before because didn't play that time.

You're not wrong, I'm just projecting my newfound appreciation of CMON(r)'s ASOI&F(tm), in large part because - by wargaming standards - it's proven a surprisingly affordable 'mass' ranked game.

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tneva82 wrote:
Then again fantasy never was 1 box=1 unit for core at least 5th ed onward. Can't say about 4th ed or before because didn't play that time.


Depends a ton on the army.
But for skaven players it was generally 3+ box’s per unit.

Thinking back, I think it was generally only empire detachments that were 1 box per unit.
Most units were always 20+

Skunks were an odd one though as they were chaff, so 1 box could provide a lot more.
   
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I know that price increases are a yearly thing, but didn't they increase them fairly recently already? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

It seems even more absurd this time though, nearly 500 products with seemingly nothing to indicate why things have been chosen - different games, sizes/complexity, price points, release dates, demand etc

Updating the price of older stuff that's been the same for years is one thing, but things like a brand new kit that released 4 months ago (Battle Sanctum) is terrible.
   
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A lot of the newer kits (not all? ) going up are from overseas. This might reflect higher costs in importing from China through that whole network. It might even only be a short term, but significant rise that might even out in time and settle down again; or it could be a long term change or it might be change with an unknown future (ergo could go up again).

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I know that price increases are a yearly thing, but didn't they increase them fairly recently already? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.


Actually it's not THAT common though yes there was largish price increase short while ago. But for very long time GW DIDN'T do yearly increased for old products and instead kept upping price of new SKU's compared to similar kits to the effect that if they reboxed(thus with new SKU) price would go up while same or at least similar kit that didn't stayed same.

Seems we now are at the worst of both worlds. New SKU's keep going up and we also get periodic range wide price hikes.

And sanctum is even worse than that It's been on barely 2 months...It came out with sister 3rd wave end of march...Might that have made new record on time to first price hike?-)

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I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

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BTW on the idea of ebay fixing things...those prices can be even nuttier. Recently was looking at Khamul the easterling on horse as I wanted to do one on fellbeast but would also like to get foot and horse but that would require buying 2 sets(each 40£) and end up with 5 spare nazguls. Okay I could sell spares but would prefer just buying what I need.

So ebay to the rescue? Ummmm...no. Cheapest way to get mounted Khamul from ebay is 99£(at least didn't find cheaper one even now as I checked it)

More than double the RPP of GW set that includes foot and mounted versions for three nazguls

And not only thing. Maybe it's just due to corona and they tried to price gouge while GW was locked down but even now same price eventhough I could(and did) order that 3 nazgul set.

Ebay can be nice for cheap models but it's not quaranteed, tricky without buy now as others are competing as well and takes time.

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 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.

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Ah yes the regular gw price hike, followed by the regular forum and facebook posts and threads talkinga bout it, followed by everyone going down and buying more 40k anyway.

On warhammer - it died for many reasons. A primary was the community's stubborn refusal to budge from tournament standard game sizes and new players having to drop $800 all at once on a new army to get to play so they would buy from ebay or 2nd hand off other players selling old stuff, and GW never saw a dime.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.


Actually i suspect that it may end up being the reverse. One of the barriers to a small company starting up now is the production of models, intial outlay, trying to produce models that are of the right quality to be taken seriously. If 3d printing becomes as popular and readily available as many of us suspect it will be, those new companies will no longer have those manufacturing restrictions. They can produce the rules and campaigns and sell just sell the 3d models to consumers for them to print. It would reduces their outlay massively for a new company.

Your starting to see some companies pairing up with or endorsing some really good sellers of printable 3d terrain. I think that in several years time producing physical models will be more of an impediment.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.


I only buy from independents, in fact I don't know anyone who buys exclusively from GW but perhaps it's easier to do this in the UK.
I understand the point about using official models, in the past few years I wouldn't like to think how much I have spent on GW product, however with each price rise and with each increase in the ease of procuring product elsewhere this will surely change?
I'm not a hater of GW, but I do think there's going to be some major shifts in hobbyists attitude and where they spend their money.

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Somehow, with the advertising of the advertising for the announcement of a pre-order, CoV19 still going on and the economy in some countries is going to hit by the backlash in the next months, increasing the prices now is for sure a very bad timing

Overread wrote:Thing is 40K was running some armies as big as Old World armies and was doing fine. Old World wasn't just killed by needing lots of models in itself. It was killed by many factors - large armies as an entry point was what killed it.

problem is, this was created totally on their own by the idea to sell more models

models worth 3000 points in 5th gave an army just short of 2000 points in 6th and with 7th point cost were lowered again while minimum models in units were raised, resulting in armies gotten bigger.
same in 8th, and stadard unit of 16 models in 6th was 20-24 in 7th and 30-40 in 8th

and while 2000 points in 6th gave you enough units to play, in 7th 2250 was the new standard and with 8th we had 2500-3000 points.

40k has seen the same problem as a 2000 point army in 3rd has now less models as a 1000 point army of the same faction
but by the time Warhammer Fantasy died, 40k was cheaper by ~50% to get a tournament ready army.

tneva82 wrote:Then again fantasy never was 1 box=1 unit for core at least 5th ed onward. Can't say about 4th ed or before because didn't play that time.

it was the default option during 6th edition, that was why the plastic boxes released for had had strange/odd numbers of models (16, 12, 20)

16 models in a box because this was the amount for 1 unit (4x4, 12 models for large/elite infantry to be used as 4x3, while cheap blocks were 4x5) while in 5th we had 10 plastic models + blister with Command models making it 13 models needing another blister with 3 standard models or another box to get 16

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 Kirasu wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's month 2 of the new tax year. Much easier to keep the books in control if you do changes like this as close to the beginning as you can. And honestly i think there's going to be a lot of price increases from a lot of different businesses over the next few months to try and help cope with what's been going on. I've already seen it in a few cafes and such. Prices have gone up to try and cover what's been lost.


Then they're stupid because people have less money to spend. Demand is low, supply and desire to sell is high... that's not how price increases work.


I don't know how true that is.

Folks furloughed or on income support have less money. Those who have been made redundant (or will be once the furlough scheme end) don't have any money to spend on stuff like GW bits. But those still employed actually have a surfeit of money due to the lack of any live events, holidays and so on.

There's certainly less money out there for a company like GW to get, but the way it's distributed is that those comfortable enough still buying little plastic solidiers at the previous price can afford the new one.
   
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I spent less money after the last price hike and this will reduce that number even further.

I am, however, blessed that I already have a few sizable armies so I take this as a sign from the universe that I should stick with what I have.

I do see two good things coming from this. First, I'll have more money to pursue other interests, and second, by raising their prices they are now making a lot of third party models as viable alternatives due to equalizing their prices with their third-party competitors. Sure, people won't be able to use them in official GW tournaments, but for most FLGS in the world this does not apply.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.


We actually have a new player who did the math and just bought three 3D printers when starting out and is now up to 5k points of guard. He hasn't bought a single GW miniature so far, and his models look beautiful as he keeps customizing the files before printing to add a personal touch.
I doubt he will remain the only one.

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 Jidmah wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.


We actually have a new player who did the math and just bought three 3D printers when starting out and is now up to 5k points of guard. He hasn't bought a single GW miniature so far, and his models look beautiful as he keeps customizing the files before printing to add a personal touch.
I doubt he will remain the only one.


In my gaming group there are two, about to be three people with printers, they are producing models of varying quality but importantly they are all getting better. I'd get one myself but am absolutely rubbish with technology, but despite this drawback that avenue is still open through using my friends

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Holy price hikes. $16 increase on Stormravens? Crazy. An 18% price increase that doesn't actually increase the value of the product at all.

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 puma713 wrote:
Holy price hikes. $16 increase on Stormravens? Crazy. An 18% price increase that doesn't actually increase the value of the product at all.


Has value of bread increased since last prlce hike?

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 Huron black heart wrote:
I've been in this hobby for a long time, and accept GW's prices are high, and will regularly get increased. But I really do think this is poor timing, and really do think they're getting close to the tipping point for a lot of disgruntled hobbyists (again) Obviously time will tell on this
Additionally, I believe 3d printing is going to have a much bigger impact on the community. You don't necessarily need to purchase from Russia or China, or even purchase a 3D printer yourself, but just knowing someone within your gaming community, or heck someone selling on line will become the place to get what you need. For example the Leman Russ could either be copied exactly (and illegally) or made slightly different and marketed as a ww1 tank and sold perfectly legally, and someone with the right file could do just that. And all the while 3D print technology increases, GW's price increases and hobbyists attitudes to where they buy from will change

More likely 3D printing will just kill off smaller games completely ("I don't want to spend money on models I might not get to play with, but I can always find a 40k game!) thereby driving even more people to consolidating all their purchases around GW. A lot of people don't even buy from independent retailers to get GW stuff cheaper now, no way will those people 'risk' unofficially printed stuff.


We actually have a new player who did the math and just bought three 3D printers when starting out and is now up to 5k points of guard. He hasn't bought a single GW miniature so far, and his models look beautiful as he keeps customizing the files before printing to add a personal touch.
I doubt he will remain the only one.


not really something new, just the technology used changed over the years
10-15 years ago people did the math and everyone was Resin-Casting at home as this was cheaper than buying GW plastic and now it is 3D printing

but the one thing why this will never take of as the main source is time.
the market is going a direction were ready to use and as less time as possible is more important and people are willing to pay more.

the other point is, it is just reasonable if you take GW's prices and quality as the base, do the same with Perry Napoleonics or War of the Roses and it will never pay off

the whole story just tells us that GW prices are just outside a reasonable range, if doing the most expensive form of "casting" on your own is cheaper

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tneva82 wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
Holy price hikes. $16 increase on Stormravens? Crazy. An 18% price increase that doesn't actually increase the value of the product at all.


Has value of bread increased since last prlce hike?


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tneva82 wrote:
 puma713 wrote:
Holy price hikes. $16 increase on Stormravens? Crazy. An 18% price increase that doesn't actually increase the value of the product at all.


Has value of bread increased since last prlce hike?


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