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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I didn't. I let my opponents though as I am a generous god.

BCB doesn't play 40k confirmed.

(-:

If your playing Primaris Bland hammer were every model bar thesargent has the same armour and gear yeah it makes little difference, once you go to mixed Bullgryn, Deathwatch and custodes your it doesn't matter house rules will have a game changing difference.

So another faction focus and another...."this is great because of the reduced table size". Really just keep banging that drum, huh?

Doohicky wrote:

 kodos wrote:


20 models for maximum line length without risking the whole unit

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 - - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - 0

if there are 5 loses total, I remove from the right side
if there are 9 loses total I remove 6 from the left and 3 from the right

yet if I don't know how many models I will lose, I cannot do this formation at all as there are too many cases were I will lose models for "out of formation" no matter were I start
and this will be the only save line which is much shorter

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 -0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -0 - 0 - 0

And if you lose 3 models total where do you remove from to prevent out of formation losses?
You are making an extreme edge case scenario to back up your point.

There will of course be some tiny edge cases where fast rolling may give a small advantage on not losing extra guys, but for vast majority of players and games it makes zero difference.

I will be fast rolling saves as always. If my models have ended up in a position where it looks like mass removal of models will advantage me over single saves, I will do saves one at a time.
I guarantee, it will be few and far between that I will ever have to not fast roll.

I haven't used one for years, but can a Vindicare still choose it's target?

Any rule if they come back into vogue where the opponent can choose who they snipe will stop so many coherency shenanigans in their tracks.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Doohicky wrote:

 kodos wrote:


20 models for maximum line length without risking the whole unit

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 - - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - 0

if there are 5 loses total, I remove from the right side
if there are 9 loses total I remove 6 from the left and 3 from the right

yet if I don't know how many models I will lose, I cannot do this formation at all as there are too many cases were I will lose models for "out of formation" no matter were I start
and this will be the only save line which is much shorter

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 -0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -0 - 0 - 0

And if you lose 3 models total where do you remove from to prevent out of formation losses?
You are making an extreme edge case scenario to back up your point.

There will of course be some tiny edge cases where fast rolling may give a small advantage on not losing extra guys, but for vast majority of players and games it makes zero difference.

I will be fast rolling saves as always. If my models have ended up in a position where it looks like mass removal of models will advantage me over single saves, I will do saves one at a time.
I guarantee, it will be few and far between that I will ever have to not fast roll.

I haven't used one for years, but can a Vindicare still choose it's target?

Any rule if they come back into vogue where the opponent can choose who they snipe will stop so many coherency shenanigans in their tracks.

No, but Harlequin Death Jesters can pick model to flee if it fails a test.

Psychic powers will also cause issues for people trying to game the coherency system, just 1 or 2 losses from a unit can cause issues, more so than losing more models such as the example above.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Doohicky wrote:

 kodos wrote:


20 models for maximum line length without risking the whole unit

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 - - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - - - - 0 - - - - - - - 0

if there are 5 loses total, I remove from the right side
if there are 9 loses total I remove 6 from the left and 3 from the right

yet if I don't know how many models I will lose, I cannot do this formation at all as there are too many cases were I will lose models for "out of formation" no matter were I start
and this will be the only save line which is much shorter

0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0
- 0 -0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -0 - 0 - 0

And if you lose 3 models total where do you remove from to prevent out of formation losses?
You are making an extreme edge case scenario to back up your point.

There will of course be some tiny edge cases where fast rolling may give a small advantage on not losing extra guys, but for vast majority of players and games it makes zero difference.

I will be fast rolling saves as always. If my models have ended up in a position where it looks like mass removal of models will advantage me over single saves, I will do saves one at a time.
I guarantee, it will be few and far between that I will ever have to not fast roll.

I haven't used one for years, but can a Vindicare still choose it's target?

Any rule if they come back into vogue where the opponent can choose who they snipe will stop so many coherency shenanigans in their tracks.

GSC Mental Onslaught power lets you target a specific model I believe. The Vindicare does not.

They still haven't fixed Look out Sir. You'd think there'd be quite a few posts on FB pointing out the loop hole.
Instead of saying "unless it is the closest enemy unit" it should say "unless it is closer to the firing unit than the models that are within 3" of it"

 kodos wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
It's really simple

it is, ask your opponent before the game if he is ok with house-rules or not
if yes, decide on which ones should be used
if no, decide if you wanna still play the game or just pack up as playing without house-rules is not worth your time
simple and easy

but just don't assume that everyone wants to use house-rules by default and that everyone wants to use the same house-rules as you do
doing this little social interaction prevents a lot of troubles if people just kindly ask which costum version of 40k they want to play (and don't insist on RAW later if you agreed to house-rules before but forgot to mention that specific case)

So, another pedantic post, you're very good at it. I hope you play in a tournament and I really hope you stick to your guns, then get all pissy when you have only played one turn when time is called.
You can absolutely fast roll and keep within the rules, or you are just not understanding the rules.

Scenario..here is my line of dudes...

OOOOOOOOOOO

I say I'm going to allocate and remove casualties from R to L. Let's say I receive 20 hits, 10W and fail 4 saves. The 4 on the right will be gone if I use fast rolling.

Or, I do it one at a time....allocate to furthest right, wound..I save. OK, now I have to keep allocating to him until he dies. But guess what, with this same mechanic, after all 20 hits, 10W and saves have been rolled......the 4 on the right will be gone. Wow, it's like it's magic or something. smh

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They still haven't fixed Look out Sir. You'd think there'd be quite a few posts on FB pointing out the loop hole.
Instead of saying "unless it is the closest enemy unit" it should say "unless it is closer to the firing unit than the models that are within 3" of it"

How do you expect them to fix it when they haven't released the Day One FAQ?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They still haven't fixed Look out Sir. You'd think there'd be quite a few posts on FB pointing out the loop hole.
Instead of saying "unless it is the closest enemy unit" it should say "unless it is closer to the firing unit than the models that are within 3" of it"

How do you expect them to fix it when they haven't released the Day One FAQ?

And since the rulebooks have already been printed, changing it just for a Faction Focus article is really meaningless.

 bullyboy wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
It's really simple

it is, ask your opponent before the game if he is ok with house-rules or not
if yes, decide on which ones should be used
if no, decide if you wanna still play the game or just pack up as playing without house-rules is not worth your time
simple and easy

but just don't assume that everyone wants to use house-rules by default and that everyone wants to use the same house-rules as you do
doing this little social interaction prevents a lot of troubles if people just kindly ask which costum version of 40k they want to play (and don't insist on RAW later if you agreed to house-rules before but forgot to mention that specific case)

So, another pedantic post, you're very good at it. I hope you play in a tournament and I really hope you stick to your guns, then get all pissy when you have only played one turn when time is called.
You can absolutely fast roll and keep within the rules, or you are just not understanding the rules.

Scenario..here is my line of dudes...

OOOOOOOOOOO

I say I'm going to allocate and remove casualties from R to L. Let's say I receive 20 hits, 10W and fail 4 saves. The 4 on the right will be gone if I use fast rolling.

Or, I do it one at a time....allocate to furthest right, wound..I save. OK, now I have to keep allocating to him until he dies. But guess what, with this same mechanic, after all 20 hits, 10W and saves have been rolled......the 4 on the right will be gone. Wow, it's like it's magic or something. smh

Pretty much this. 9th edition will have enough issues without y'all making up new ones.

Matrindur wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/07/indomitus-pre-order-bonuses-for-you/

Some preorder goodies with Indomitus

Also they changed it from 6 to 3 boxes per person


Automatically Appended Next Post:
On one hand its good that they reflected and choose to lower it to three, on the other hand I hoped the fact that everyone could order 6 would mean that there are actually enough produced but now I think it will be sold out either in a few days or a few hours depending on what GWs interpretation of "We’ve made a lot of it" is

I'm cynical enough to wonder if announcing a limit of 6 and then lowering it to 3 is just deliberate manipulation. Just adding additional pressure on those that really define themselves as not missing out.
"Its going to be really really popular, order now!" "Oh, its even more popular than we first said, we're saving even more just for you, better get in there and place your order!"

Voss wrote:

Matrindur wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/07/indomitus-pre-order-bonuses-for-you/

Some preorder goodies with Indomitus

Also they changed it from 6 to 3 boxes per person


Automatically Appended Next Post:
On one hand its good that they reflected and choose to lower it to three, on the other hand I hoped the fact that everyone could order 6 would mean that there are actually enough produced but now I think it will be sold out either in a few days or a few hours depending on what GWs interpretation of "We’ve made a lot of it" is

I'm cynical enough to wonder if announcing a limit of 6 and then lowering it to 3 is just deliberate manipulation. Just adding additional pressure on those that really define themselves as not missing out.
"Its going to be really really popular, order now!" "Oh, its even more popular than we first said, we're saving even more just for you, better get in there and place your order!"

It's more likely a reaction to the quanity stores have ordered. One person on B&C mentioned their store has an order of 300-600 copies.

 bullyboy wrote:

So, another pedantic post, you're very good at it. I hope you play in a tournament and I really hope you stick to your guns, then get all pissy when you have only played one turn when time is called.

I never had problems with time in events
rolling armour saves for 20 models one by one can be done at the same time other people need to search/count those 20 dice they want to roll at once and search/count the missed ones

the problem starts when people need to think 5-10 minutes about how to remove their models to get the most out of it, or if they start a discussion in the middle of the game because they are used to different house-rules and did not bother to ask about them before the game starts

 bullyboy wrote:
Wow, it's like it's magic or something. smh

it must be magic than, specially with mixed equippment
as GW must have had a specific situation in mind by changing the rules for wound allocation and why to put it in the middel instead the end

 kodos wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

So, another pedantic post, you're very good at it. I hope you play in a tournament and I really hope you stick to your guns, then get all pissy when you have only played one turn when time is called.

I never had problems with time in events
rolling armour saves for 20 models one by one can be done at the same time other people need to search/count those 20 dice they want to roll at once and search/count the missed ones

the problem starts when people need to think 5-10 minutes about how to remove their models to get the most out of it, or if they start a discussion in the middle of the game because they are used to different house-rules and did not bother to ask about them before the game starts

 bullyboy wrote:
Wow, it's like it's magic or something. smh

it must be magic than, specially with mixed equippment
as GW must have had a specific situation in mind by changing the rules for wound allocation and why to put it in the middel instead the end

Nope. Callin bs on all of this. You might have thought it was the same speed but I guarantee you your opponent would be sitting there for several minutes with 20 dice in their hand for their damage rolls imaging throttling you.

 kodos wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

So, another pedantic post, you're very good at it. I hope you play in a tournament and I really hope you stick to your guns, then get all pissy when you have only played one turn when time is called.

I never had problems with time in events
rolling armour saves for 20 models one by one can be done at the same time other people need to search/count those 20 dice they want to roll at once and search/count the missed ones

the problem starts when people need to think 5-10 minutes about how to remove their models to get the most out of it, or if they start a discussion in the middle of the game because they are used to different house-rules and did not bother to ask about them before the game starts

 bullyboy wrote:
Wow, it's like it's magic or something. smh

it must be magic than, specially with mixed equippment
as GW must have had a specific situation in mind by changing the rules for wound allocation and why to put it in the middel instead the end

oh, so you missed my point earlier that you would need to do it differently for mixed units, but not when all the same. At least take the time to read.
And it is so disingenuous of you to say that it takes no time to roll one dice at a time, but apparently it takes 5-10 mins to think about allocation? I don't know what world you are living in Peter Pan, but in the real world it's probably less than 10 seconds to state your order of allocation before rolling.

How many points do you guys think that Primaris Tech Marine will be.

I'd guess he'll be around the same as a primaris lieutenant, so 75ish with the new points. The oldmarine equivalent was really cheap but also massively buffed through PA, so anything less than that seems strange to me.

Keep it a bit calmer please folks.

ta.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They still haven't fixed Look out Sir. You'd think there'd be quite a few posts on FB pointing out the loop hole.
Instead of saying "unless it is the closest enemy unit" it should say "unless it is closer to the firing unit than the models that are within 3" of it"

How do you expect them to fix it when they haven't released the Day One FAQ?

They rules are a downloadable PDF, aren't they? They could update that and release a FAQ for the printed copies on release.

I'm sure the core rules are also in the new BRB. It would be impractical to update the PDF when you can't update the printed rules, especially considering that the printed rules would end up being a more recent release, and thus would override the "out of date" PDF. That's why GW is doing a Day 1 FAQ, and we'll also likely see an Errata/FAQ within a couple weeks of release to cover anything the Day 1 misses.

I've been yoyoing about getting Indomitus or not over the past few weeks. When the price was confirmed I thought "sure why not?". But If the set is going to be so limited I'm leaning more towards "I cant really be bothered with this nonsense".

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They still haven't fixed Look out Sir. You'd think there'd be quite a few posts on FB pointing out the loop hole.
Instead of saying "unless it is the closest enemy unit" it should say "unless it is closer to the firing unit than the models that are within 3" of it"

How do you expect them to fix it when they haven't released the Day One FAQ?

They rules are a downloadable PDF, aren't they? They could update that and release a FAQ for the printed copies on release.

That's not generally how they do it, and if they're doing it they'll likely clarify it in a FAQ to ensure everyone doesn't miss tthe change.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I've been yoyoing about getting Indomitus or not over the past few weeks. When the price was confirmed I thought "sure why not?". But If the set is going to be so limited I'm leaning more towards "I cant really be bothered with this nonsense".

What is the price again? I've only seen it's foreign market price so far and that was about a week ago.

PiñaColada wrote:
I'd guess he'll be around the same as a primaris lieutenant, so 75ish with the new points. The oldmarine equivalent was really cheap but also massively buffed through PA, so anything less than that seems strange to me.

That's about what figured also, thanks for the quick answer.

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm sure the core rules are also in the new BRB. It would be impractical to update the PDF when you can't update the printed rules, especially considering that the printed rules would end up being a more recent release, and thus would override the "out of date" PDF. That's why GW is doing a Day 1 FAQ, and we'll also likely see an Errata/FAQ within a couple weeks of release to cover anything the Day 1 misses.

We know the core rules are in the BRB as well. My hope is that the digital copies will be seeing updates to the wording.

changemod wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I've been yoyoing about getting Indomitus or not over the past few weeks. When the price was confirmed I thought "sure why not?". But If the set is going to be so limited I'm leaning more towards "I cant really be bothered with this nonsense".

What is the price again? I've only seen it's foreign market price so far and that was about a week ago.

Confirmed was probably to strong of a word. But like for like comparisons on the U.S price puts it in the £120-125 bracket.

changemod wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I've been yoyoing about getting Indomitus or not over the past few weeks. When the price was confirmed I thought "sure why not?". But If the set is going to be so limited I'm leaning more towards "I cant really be bothered with this nonsense".

What is the price again? I've only seen it's foreign market price so far and that was about a week ago.

120 quid for britpeeps and if you haven't reserved a copy yet you're probably looking at full price through GW, if you're lucky.

yup this was just posted on FB

Kirton Games - Wargames and Hobby superstore
37 mins ·
Hello everyone! We have just heard from Games Workshop that Indomitus has sold out to pre-order. This means we will now be closing our Expression of Interest scheme. If you emailed us, we secured you stock and you should have received an email from us with the details on the next steps. We will still have a few on general sale for pre-order this Saturday but they will be first come first served. Thanks for the support! This is a popular set!

so you might get lucky of your store of choice have spare, but if they don't you're going to be scrambling if you want it