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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:24:49
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I expect battlescribe to get hit with a stop using our rules or we will sue you letter in the next few weeks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:25:20
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Doohicky wrote:Did anyone see any reference to points? In either free or subscription?
I wonder is it just going to be part of the army builder.
If I thought I would get all the new updated points I would get the subscription day 1 just to see them, but I don't think we are
You mean the part where it says "All your points"? Its in there, not really specific, so... I dunno. wait and see I guess.
If the new points + New core rulebook are included with sub version, I am 100% getting that. I'd need to use it for many months before spending more money than I probably would have to to get the core rulebook in print+munitorium field manual book.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:25:40
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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The fee is mostly for the army builder feature which you won't be able to access when the app is launched. They'll still take your money, though, if you want to pay for a feature you can't use yet, that was promised to be available on July 11 but now has not only been delayed, but doesn't even have a release date any more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:29:17
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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the_scotsman wrote:Doohicky wrote:Did anyone see any reference to points? In either free or subscription?
I wonder is it just going to be part of the army builder.
If I thought I would get all the new updated points I would get the subscription day 1 just to see them, but I don't think we are
You mean the part where it says "All your points"? Its in there, not really specific, so... I dunno. wait and see I guess.
If the new points + New core rulebook are included with sub version, I am 100% getting that. I'd need to use it for many months before spending more money than I probably would have to to get the core rulebook in print+munitorium field manual book.
Somehow my eyes glazed over that and missed it. I think it's worth a trial month (I wish they would do a free trial month) to see what is all included.
If it's crap I'll just go back to free version
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:08:20
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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dhallnet wrote: p5freak wrote: kodos wrote:so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free
guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?
No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all for 4€ per month i will gladly pay it.
No it won't. You'll have the 8th ed version and as soon as it is replaced by a 9th ed equivalent, you'll lose the 8th ed variant and will have to buy the physical book to update your app...
All you lose is the 9th codex Hyperlinks to the datasheets which you can’t expect to get for free regardless
You still have the list builder, the updated points and any new units in the list builder plus all the 9th core rules.
I also expect a much cheaper yearly subscription option.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:40:41
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Still excited for this, but the price is pretty crazy. Sadly, I know more than a few people that tell me they won't play Warmachine because of the price of WarRoom that will totally tell me its cheaper...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:41:17
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Trickstick wrote: kodos wrote:yeah, so totally the way GW would do it, and of coursing sending letters to those who leaked them or added them to Battlescribe
Nah, I doubt that even Kirby era GW would have done that.
Kirby era GW did not want to interact with the Community, so they have done no FAQ's and not point changes at all
NuGW now realised that people are willing to pay for something that should be free in the first place, and if the App is successful and lot of people subscribe I can say that they take the logical next step and say up to date rules are subscription only (as the one main advantage the subscription has over regular purchase) because the true fans of the GW hobby will have a subsciption anyway to get all the rules they need in one place
I can see a lot of people using it for the first 1-2 months to get cheap rules to start 9th and than just stick with it because they are used to it (and the question will be how soon the list builder will be there)
and if there are enough using it, adding more exclusive stuff to the app to keep those who have it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0020/06/23 15:02:20
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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So here's what app needs to have for me to pay. Good easy to use army builder. Bs is decent but could be lot better. Then ability to select secondaries(and primaries for that matter). Then mid game i can click on unit/mission objective and see datasheet. Then any reference on those i can check with click.
Do that on easy gui and it's worth the fee for me. If not i pass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:43:41
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Voss wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I doubt there will be digital only versions.
ziggurattt wrote:I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.
That just means that over time it loses content and you have to pay to update it.
It amuses me that the mostly useful 'feature' of the whole thing is the ability to know when old books are officially outdated. Particularly supplements and campaign books like Vigilus which don't have an obvious expiration (by being replaced).
Game-as-service mentality is a huge turnoff for me. Yearly CA points updates were bad enough, but at least CA had other content (even though it was rarely worthwhile). Monthly fees for access to the ability to play a tabletop game can feth right off.
The app effectively gets rid of the need for CA paid points since they are included in the app. So you technically don’t need to buy CA and the cost of the app is a wash.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:50:44
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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gungo wrote:Voss wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I doubt there will be digital only versions.
ziggurattt wrote:I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.
That just means that over time it loses content and you have to pay to update it.
It amuses me that the mostly useful 'feature' of the whole thing is the ability to know when old books are officially outdated. Particularly supplements and campaign books like Vigilus which don't have an obvious expiration (by being replaced).
Game-as-service mentality is a huge turnoff for me. Yearly CA points updates were bad enough, but at least CA had other content (even though it was rarely worthwhile). Monthly fees for access to the ability to play a tabletop game can feth right off.
The app effectively gets rid of the need for CA paid points since they are included in the app. So you technically don’t need to buy CA and the cost of the app is a wash.
CA is half the price of the yearly subscription and has a missions packet with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:55:02
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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tneva82 wrote:So here's what app needs to have for me to pay. Good easy to use army builder. Bs is decent but could be lot better. Then ability to select secondaries(and primaries for that matter). Then mid game i can click on unit/mission objective and see datasheet. Then any reference on those i can check with click.
Do that on easy gui and it's worth the fee for me. If not i pass.
I hadn't even thought of a mission point tracker, but that is an extremely good idea.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:55:20
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Yeah. Few people really bought CA for the points really. They were in Battlescribe, etc.. anyhow.
What you want from CA tends to be the missions for the coming year (unless you were playing ITC previously, but even ITC will switch to book missions for 9th it seems).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 17:55:59
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A mission packet I’ve seen no one use.
Maybe with the focus on Crusade missions this edition it might have a use.
I also expect a reduced yearly subscription like they do for white dwarf. (25% off)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:00:46
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Tracking points on an app sounds like hell. I would just have them on cards, put the cards on the sideboard, then put token on them. Much easier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 1970/06/02 00:00:00
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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gungo wrote:A mission packet I’ve seen no one use.
Maybe with the focus on Crusade missions this edition it might have a use.
I also expect a reduced yearly subscription like they do for white dwarf. (25% off)
I haven't seen anyone use the 9th ed tournament misson packet yet either
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:04:34
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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If the app is fast and easy to use then I might subscribe. Will wait and see what it’s like tbh. £3.99 seems steep though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:07:23
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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gungo wrote:A mission packet I’ve seen no one use.
Maybe with the focus on Crusade missions this edition it might have a use.
I also expect a reduced yearly subscription like they do for white dwarf. (25% off)
Outside of the US where ITC is a lot less popular the CA missions saw a lot of play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:07:42
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Gadzilla666 wrote: Daedalus81 wrote: Gadzilla666 wrote:
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
So what do you expect this list builder to do for $5 a month that battlescribe doesn't already do? Honest question.
Validated lists. Battlescribe can create incorrect lists. I can foresee tournaments like LVO saying, "we only accept lists through the GW app". It lifts the burden from them to do due diligence on lists.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Doohicky wrote:Oh wait, I just looked at the picture in the article and it has the point cost of the primaris lieutenant in it.
So I may get the sub for the first month just so I can see the points for 9th!
Hmm. I guess power swords won't be +1S. That sucks. Also back to 5 points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:09:34
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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darthryan wrote:I expect battlescribe to get hit with a stop using our rules or we will sue you letter in the next few weeks
Battlescribe doesn't officially supports 40k rules, it is the community who makes 40k modules for Battlescribe.
It would be like trying to sue Excel, it wouldn't get anywhere and would be laughed out of court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:09:38
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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Voss wrote: puma713 wrote:
Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.
Yeah, though the thing is a subscription doesn't actually make sense. Subscriptions generally provide ongoing content.
If you have a code for the app, you... have the relevant book. There isn't any reason to pay an additional $5/month for what you already have.
Same with the 'yearly' points update for your book. There isn't any reason to pay $5/month before or after the day of the points update.
Its a subscription service with no actual benefit to subscribing.
If this was a way to get access to all the current codexes without buying them, then it might actually have some value. But this is volunteering to pay a service fee because GW developed an app where you can pay a service fee, not because it actually provides you with anything or does anything.
Well you do get all 8th Ed. codexes. If you only own 1 codex, that is "worth" $40 * X where X = however many codexes you don't own. At least until the 9th Edition Codex drops. That's the value I see in it. To each their own I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:11:00
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Implacable Skitarii
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dhallnet wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
But without the app how will you know that your army is officially Battle Forged TM? Once the army builder feature is enabled I can see the subscription becoming required for all Battle Forged TM armies.
They could also add a function to scan your minis to tell you if they are "Battle Ready TM"
Better yet, they could just award 10 VP to you if you used their app to build your list, like they do for painting your army...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:11:08
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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puma713 wrote:Voss wrote: puma713 wrote:
Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.
Yeah, though the thing is a subscription doesn't actually make sense. Subscriptions generally provide ongoing content.
If you have a code for the app, you... have the relevant book. There isn't any reason to pay an additional $5/month for what you already have.
Same with the 'yearly' points update for your book. There isn't any reason to pay $5/month before or after the day of the points update.
Its a subscription service with no actual benefit to subscribing.
If this was a way to get access to all the current codexes without buying them, then it might actually have some value. But this is volunteering to pay a service fee because GW developed an app where you can pay a service fee, not because it actually provides you with anything or does anything.
Well you do get all 8th Ed. codexes. If you only own 1 codex, that is "worth" $40 * X where X = however many codexes you don't own. At least until the 9th Edition Codex drops. That's the value I see in it. To each their own I guess.
Yes, but how much value are you actually getting from that?
Sure, there's something like a dozen Codecs, meaning it's TECHNICALLY worth just sy of $500. But if you don't use them...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:13:31
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
Alabama
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JNAProductions wrote:
Sure, there's something like a dozen Codecs, meaning it's TECHNICALLY worth just sy of $500. But if you don't use them...
I use Codexes I don't play armies for frequently, actually. I like to familiarize myself with their rules, even build lists occasionally so I have an idea of what to expect or how my opponents synergize. Again, the app will have a different worth to different people.
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Death Guard 5100 pts.
Daemons 3000 pts.
DT:70+S++G+M-B-I--Pw40K90-D++A++/eWD?R++T(D)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:13:41
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Well that was a good laugh after a hard day at work. GW have handled the lead-in to pre-order day pretty badly so far with the gradually worsening Warhammer 40k Daily show on Twitch, the leak of the rulebook and now the great reveal of the app where I get to pay them for the privilege of...looking stuff up "fast" and being able to build lists (a feature which is replicated by various other apps out there for free).
Huge swing and a miss for me. What's really frustrating is a truly forward-looking company would realise an app is a fantastic opportunity for customer research since GW could see all the data on army building for everyone that uses it. If they'd charged £2 a month I might have considered it but this is just a terrible deal all round. Looks like they're getting pretty solidly criticised for it on social media and other forums too, as they should.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:16:35
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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gungo wrote:
The app effectively gets rid of the need for CA paid points since they are included in the app. So you technically don’t need to buy CA and the cost of the app is a wash.
you buy CA for the Missions and stuff, not for the points
the points are avaiable for free a day after via BS or similar
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:17:47
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Tyran wrote:darthryan wrote:I expect battlescribe to get hit with a stop using our rules or we will sue you letter in the next few weeks
Battlescribe doesn't officially supports 40k rules, it is the community who makes 40k modules for Battlescribe.
It would be like trying to sue Excel, it wouldn't get anywhere and would be laughed out of court.
There are a few key differences here.
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.
Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:20:14
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Sasori wrote:Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.
I think they recently c+d'd "popular rule encyclopaedia that I'm not sure I can name on Dakka". I believe they laughed because they are in Russia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:21:44
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Tyran wrote:darthryan wrote:I expect battlescribe to get hit with a stop using our rules or we will sue you letter in the next few weeks
Battlescribe doesn't officially supports 40k rules, it is the community who makes 40k modules for Battlescribe.
It would be like trying to sue Excel, it wouldn't get anywhere and would be laughed out of court.
GW have tried more stupid things like that
But it would be similar like Disney asking YouTube to remove the MCU movies from their platfrom, there is no way YT would do that as Disney would be lauged out at court because it is the people who added those videos......
not even talking about that going to court would financially ruin the people behiund BS not matter the outcome
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:24:17
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Sasori wrote: Tyran wrote:darthryan wrote:I expect battlescribe to get hit with a stop using our rules or we will sue you letter in the next few weeks
Battlescribe doesn't officially supports 40k rules, it is the community who makes 40k modules for Battlescribe.
It would be like trying to sue Excel, it wouldn't get anywhere and would be laughed out of court.
There are a few key differences here.
GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want.
Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.
And judges can sanction lawyers and fine plaintiffs for filing frivolous lawsuits exactly so things like this don't happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/09 18:25:18
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Sasori wrote: There are a few key differences here. GW doesn't actually need to win or even be in the right to succeed. The threat of a C&D and a lawsuit is often enough from larger companies to get what they want. Even if they are 100% right, companies still have to fight it in court. This is (Sadly) a pretty common tactic.
It doesn't matter, Battlescribe cannot even stop using 40k rules because Battlescribe is only a tool. At most GW could go after the repositories, but that would only push the data further underground. If GW cannot even stop the community from pirating their codexes, they have no hope in stopping Battlescribe.
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