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kodos wrote: For now it is not even a list builder as the feature is marked with "coming soon"
ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
so now we pay for bug-fix
Go reread that article. If you buy have the 9th ed codex, then you can access it on the app for free. All FAQs will be added for free as well. You only have yo pay to get all the 8th ed books when it launches.
SirGrotzalot wrote: I was reading the blood angels article and I don’t remember see the Chaplin with jump pack before. Is it new or just an old model? I also noticed they said his jump pack will help him keep up with other jump pack infantry models so maybe a hint to jump pack Intercessors?
He's been around for quite a while. (2015?)
I wouldn't read in too much about jump primaris, since they had just shown off sanguinary guard (whose models have not aged well- maybe its just the photography or painting, but they look like tired gak when compared to the assault intercessors and the chaplain)
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Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.
Yeah, though the thing is a subscription doesn't actually make sense. Subscriptions generally provide ongoing content.
If you have a code for the app, you... have the relevant book. There isn't any reason to pay an additional $5/month for what you already have.
Same with the 'yearly' points update for your book. There isn't any reason to pay $5/month before or after the day of the points update.
Its a subscription service with no actual benefit to subscribing.
If this was a way to get access to all the current codexes without buying them, then it might actually have some value. But this is volunteering to pay a service fee because GW developed an app where you can pay a service fee, not because it actually provides you with anything or does anything.
But without the app how will you know that your army is officially Battle ForgedTM? Once the army builder feature is enabled I can see the subscription becoming required for all Battle ForgedTM armies.
I still have the ability to read and write.
Not sure who would require that or why I'd care about their delusions.
But without the app how will you know that your army is officially Battle ForgedTM? Once the army builder feature is enabled I can see the subscription becoming required for all Battle ForgedTM armies.
They could also add a function to scan your minis to tell you if they are "Battle Ready TM"
ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
No it isn't. 'We fixed the errors we made, and you can have them for free or pay for them' is incoherent.... unless they get into scummy business practices and stop providing access to the error-fixes for free. And then they're just being jerks (and possibly violating laws about selling faulty products)
If you're buying the books then you get a free digital copy, which gets free digital updates to match the FAQs which is great for quick reference during games. I don't get this claim where paying for the updates is coming from.
Ice_can wrote: That price per month and you need to buy codex's and CA anyway.
I know it's GW and 40k is not a cheap hobby but this is taking the piss, That they consider that Less than a Paint brush isn't a selling point, it just reinforced how overinflated GW prices currently are.
My plan is to subscribe to the app rathr than buying the new core rulebook. By a few months in, I will have memorized most of the main rulebook so can just fall back on the core rules, and most of my books will probably be outdated from 8th.
If I really like the layout on digital I may continue buying codexes digital only. We'll see.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
kodos wrote: For now it is not even a list builder as the feature is marked with "coming soon"
ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
so now we pay for bug-fix
Go reread that article. If you buy have the 9th ed codex, then you can access it on the app for free. All FAQs will be added for free as well. You only have yo pay to get all the 8th ed books when it launches.
But I don't need the App for that, unless they remove the free FAQ pdf's or give App users early Access
To get the Codex and the FAQ I don't need to pay 5€ a month extra, there is no advantage with the app, specially if I get the digital version of the Codex which is updated with the FAQ as well
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Ice_can wrote: That price per month and you need to buy codex's and CA anyway.
I know it's GW and 40k is not a cheap hobby but this is taking the piss, That they consider that Less than a Paint brush isn't a selling point, it just reinforced how overinflated GW prices currently are.
My plan is to subscribe to the app rathr than buying the new core rulebook. By a few months in, I will have memorized most of the main rulebook so can just fall back on the core rules, and most of my books will probably be outdated from 8th.
If I really like the layout on digital I may continue buying codexes digital only. We'll see.
kodos wrote: For now it is not even a list builder as the feature is marked with "coming soon"
ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
so now we pay for bug-fix
Go reread that article. If you buy have the 9th ed codex, then you can access it on the app for free. All FAQs will be added for free as well. You only have yo pay to get all the 8th ed books when it launches.
But I don't need the App for that, unless they remove the free FAQ pdf's or give App users early Access
To get the Codex and the FAQ I don't need to pay 5€ a month extra, there is no advantage with the app
No you don't need an app for that, but I like the inline updates and feel it's a point in the App's favor since that's part of the free edition.
Ice_can wrote: That price per month and you need to buy codex's and CA anyway.
I know it's GW and 40k is not a cheap hobby but this is taking the piss, That they consider that Less than a Paint brush isn't a selling point, it just reinforced how overinflated GW prices currently are.
My plan is to subscribe to the app rathr than buying the new core rulebook. By a few months in, I will have memorized most of the main rulebook so can just fall back on the core rules, and most of my books will probably be outdated from 8th.
If I really like the layout on digital I may continue buying codexes digital only. We'll see.
I dont think you get the rulebook included....
"At launch, you’ll be able to reference the full rules from the Warhammer 40,000 Core Book. Yep – that makes this the best resource for Warhammer 40,000 gaming ever conceived. So, whether you need to know which weapons have the Blast special rule or how many Command points that Stratagem costs, it’ll all be at your fingertips."
(which weapons get blasts and the core strats are one of the things that were in the leaked Indomitus box rulebook that were not in the free download core rules)
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
kodos wrote: For now it is not even a list builder as the feature is marked with "coming soon"
ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
so now we pay for bug-fix
Go reread that article. If you buy have the 9th ed codex, then you can access it on the app for free. All FAQs will be added for free as well. You only have yo pay to get all the 8th ed books when it launches.
But I don't need the App for that, unless they remove the free FAQ pdf's or give App users early Access
To get the Codex and the FAQ I don't need to pay 5€ a month extra, there is no advantage with the app, specially if I get the digital version of the Codex which is updated with the FAQ as well
Ebooks are not particularly usable at flipping through even one book let alone flipping through multiple books. If app manages that it's worth the price.
Ice_can wrote: That price per month and you need to buy codex's and CA anyway.
I know it's GW and 40k is not a cheap hobby but this is taking the piss, That they consider that Less than a Paint brush isn't a selling point, it just reinforced how overinflated GW prices currently are.
My plan is to subscribe to the app rathr than buying the new core rulebook. By a few months in, I will have memorized most of the main rulebook so can just fall back on the core rules, and most of my books will probably be outdated from 8th.
If I really like the layout on digital I may continue buying codexes digital only. We'll see.
I dont think you get the rulebook included....
"At launch, you’ll be able to reference the full rules from the Warhammer 40,000 Core Book. Yep – that makes this the best resource for Warhammer 40,000 gaming ever conceived. So, whether you need to know which weapons have the Blast special rule or how many Command points that Stratagem costs, it’ll all be at your fingertips."
(which weapons get blasts and the core strats are one of the things that were in the leaked Indomitus box rulebook that were not in the free download core rules)
I read that to mean the rules on the datasheets will be linked to the relevant guff in the rulebook, not that you get the rulebook included.
In fact there's no mention of anything beyond core rules for 9th ed literature included.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.
No it isn't. 'We fixed the errors we made, and you can have them for free or pay for them' is incoherent.... unless they get into scummy business practices and stop providing access to the error-fixes for free. And then they're just being jerks (and possibly violating laws about selling faulty products)
If you're buying the books then you get a free digital copy, which gets free digital updates to match the FAQs which is great for quick reference during games. I don't get this claim where paying for the updates is coming from.
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
So what do you expect this list builder to do for $5 a month that battlescribe doesn't already do? Honest question.
Dumb question from someone who just pays gak on his ipad to read...
Does this app replace the digital codex completely that you could
buy on the apple store, does a digital codex provide you with a
code to use in the app in addition to reading the digital codex, or
will the digital codex be a completely separate thing from the app?
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malfred wrote: Dumb question from someone who just pays gak on his ipad to read...
Does this app replace the digital codex completely that you could
buy on the apple store, does a digital codex provide you with a
code to use in the app in addition to reading the digital codex, or
will the digital codex be a completely separate thing from the app?
Dunno. They didn't say.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
So what do you expect this list builder to do for $5 a month that battlescribe doesn't already do? Honest question.
Battlescribe does not have :
ALL rules included
ALL my digital codexes included
Ebooks are not particularly usable at flipping through even one book let alone flipping through multiple books. If app manages that it's worth the price.
this was the main feature the appstore books were advertised with, don't know if the feature is still there or not
on the other hand, I have an old ebook reader and used it for BoltAction and this was not a problem to get to the rules I need via search function
but yes, those other games are not a complete mess of rules spread all over different books so it might be worth to pay something to clean that up.....
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
So what do you expect this list builder to do for $5 a month that battlescribe doesn't already do? Honest question.
Battlescribe does not have :
ALL rules included
ALL my digital codexes included
I suspect a codex secondary market to explode.
So I can buy a brand new print codex.
Use the code to access the codex via app
And resell the codex on the secondary market to recoup most of the cost.
As long as the app allows people to build army lists without owning the codex. But makes you unable to access the digital datasheet. Just basic BattleScribe like points and list. This will still be a in option for most.
Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?
When I was tooling around with building a list building app that validates the lists the project was going to be really complex. 40K list building is no joke and I imagine the cost to get it built was quite high. The AoS builder is super rudimentary.
So what do you expect this list builder to do for $5 a month that battlescribe doesn't already do? Honest question.
Battlescribe does not have :
ALL rules included
ALL my digital codexes included
You get that without the $5 a month.
BattleScribe tends to have bugs and issues and doesn’t verify lists as legal in whatever format you chose it relies on the player to do that which if you paid attention to most tournaments there is always a problem.
