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With full 8th edition rules and the core book, it seems worth it... at the beginning. But yeah as new codexes drop it loses value.
I'm likely going to use it immediately after the new edition and immediately after CAs but aside of that I'm going to use Battlescribe.

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

Did you not read the article? You don't get anything for £4 a month, you only get the ability to read the rules from the codexes you bought. £4 doesn't let you read every single codex, you still need to buy the codexes.

Well, rumours about the app being delayed obviously turned out to be right. So much for the army builder being available on the 11th as they originally promised - now there's not even a release date for it, it's just going to be a "future update." But of course they're happy to sell you the incomplete version in the meantime, that can't actually do anything but show you the core rules and the old codexes...

 BaconCatBug wrote:
£4 a month for the privilege of reading the digital versions of the book you also bought? Seems legit.

Sadly they know people will swallow this hook, line, and sinker.

No, that feature seems to be free.

If you buy a dex, you get the digital dex on the free version of the app too.

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

So, it's battlescribe with a link to =][= REDACTED =][= in it?

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

Did you not read the article? You don't get anything for £4 a month, you only get the ability to read the rules from the codexes you bought. £4 doesn't let you read every single codex, you still need to buy the codexes.

However it does give you access to ALL of the 8th ed. material until it's replaced. So, for now, yes that £4 a month does mean you don't need to buy a codex unless it's a 9th ed version and one you want to have anyway.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I doubt there will be digital only versions.

 ziggurattt wrote:
I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.

That just means that over time it loses content and you have to pay to update it.

It amuses me that the mostly useful 'feature' of the whole thing is the ability to know when old books are officially outdated. Particularly supplements and campaign books like Vigilus which don't have an obvious expiration (by being replaced).

Game-as-service mentality is a huge turnoff for me. Yearly CA points updates were bad enough, but at least CA had other content (even though it was rarely worthwhile). Monthly fees for access to the ability to play a tabletop game can feth right off.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

Did you not read the article? You don't get anything for £4 a month, you only get the ability to read the rules from the codexes you bought. £4 doesn't let you read every single codex, you still need to buy the codexes.

Free Version =

Free core rules
+
All codexes you buy in digital form.

Paid Version =

Full rules
+
Army list builder
+
All 8th ed era rules until they get replaced
+
All codexes you buy in digital form

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Intercessors sitting on your backfield shooting is good strategy. Intercessors sitting on your backfield hoisting the banner? Less so.

So we're back to the argument that units that are useless for anything besides scoring are good because they're useless for anything but scoring? Because why would I want a unit that can score and kill my opponent's scoring units when I'm not using it to score.

Point was comparing Intercessors to Cultists misses the mark on what roles each does best. Cultists best role is holding ground, usually out of LoS to score you points.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.

And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

It is pretty friggin' expensive. All the 8th books is ok. The army builder not being ready is expected...but are we still going to have access to points? Grrr.

Almost no one will jump off battlescribe for this.

Grrr is the correct response. I was hoping for points this week. I want to write some lists. Another disappointment. And that price converts to $5 a month. Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?

the_scotsman wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

Did you not read the article? You don't get anything for £4 a month, you only get the ability to read the rules from the codexes you bought. £4 doesn't let you read every single codex, you still need to buy the codexes.

Free Version =

Free core rules
+
All codexes you buy in digital form.

Paid Version =

Full rules
+
Army list builder
+
All 8th ed era rules until they get replaced
+
All codexes you buy in digital form

You left out "Reference All Your Rules FAST" for Subscribers. Seems like a sort of repository for all the rules you need to know for your army. Sort of like how BS puts all of your weapon rules under the units. There's not a ton of information about it, but it is one more perk.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?

Because they think they can? Obviously. GW isn't in the business of anything except making lots of money.

I mean, it's especially funny that they're still charging the full, inflated price even without what they admit is the "number one feature," which will be added at some unspecified "future date." It's blatant, even by GW's normal standards. But they're obviously banking that lots of people will buy it anyway.

The only way to get them to do anything different is if people just refuse to buy things that are overpriced and under-featured. But GW knows from past experience that doesn't happen. People whine, and open their wallets anyway. So why would GW care about the bad publicity as long as the money keeps coming in?

Really, the app lives or dies on layout and usability. If it is great and everything is linked in an easy to use way, I can see people loving it.

So, little chance of people loving it I guess...

(-:

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Why is the 40k app more expensive than the AoS app besides "just because we can"?

Because they think they can? Obviously. GW isn't in the business of anything except making lots of money.

I mean, it's especially funny that they're still charging the full, inflated price even without what they admit is the "number one feature," which will be added at some unspecified "future date." It's blatant, even by GW's normal standards. But they're obviously banking that lots of people will buy it anyway.

The only way to get them to do anything different is if people just refuse to buy things that are overpriced and under-featured. But GW knows from past experience that doesn't happen. People whine, and open their wallets anyway. So why would GW care about the bad publicity as long as the money keeps coming in?

Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.

the_scotsman wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

Did you not read the article? You don't get anything for £4 a month, you only get the ability to read the rules from the codexes you bought. £4 doesn't let you read every single codex, you still need to buy the codexes.

Free Version =

Free core rules
+
All codexes you buy in digital form.

Paid Version =

Full rules
+
Army list builder
+
All 8th ed era rules until they get replaced
+
All codexes you buy in digital form

GWs current ebooks are awful. They dont work on any of my mobile devices, not even with their recommended apps. They work fine with my home PC. I would gladly pay 4€ to be able to read the digital codexes on my mobile device(s).

I hope the app isnt written by the GW rules team

That price per month and you need to buy codex's and CA anyway.
I know it's GW and 40k is not a cheap hobby but this is taking the piss, That they consider that Less than a Paint brush isn't a selling point, it just reinforced how overinflated GW prices currently are.

 puma713 wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.

Yeah, though the thing is a subscription doesn't actually make sense. Subscriptions generally provide ongoing content.
If you have a code for the app, you... have the relevant book. There isn't any reason to pay an additional $5/month for what you already have.
Same with the 'yearly' points update for your book. There isn't any reason to pay $5/month before or after the day of the points update.

Its a subscription service with no actual benefit to subscribing.
If this was a way to get access to all the current codexes without buying them, then it might actually have some value. But this is volunteering to pay a service fee because GW developed an app where you can pay a service fee, not because it actually provides you with anything or does anything.

 p5freak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

By in one or two years time, this app won't even have have the codices inside.

I would have paid the subscription if they wouldn't be removing codices as new ones are released.

Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.

 ziggurattt wrote:
I mean, aren't we (if you are concerned about updated rules and points) basically paying a subscription now anyway?
Your codex drops. Cost xxx to play.
Points and rules get updated, cost xxx to play with updated rules and points.
Points and rules get updated again, cost xxx to play with updated rules and points.
And then I have to lug around 17 different books to play a soup army.

I'd rather all the info just get consolidated in one place, where I know it's legit. I don't mind the monthly subscription and having to buy books to unlock the rules. Having it all in one place and automagically updated it worth is to me.

I am a little bit shocked now that people are willing to pay extra per month for something that should be the default situation

So because GW is making a mess out of their game, we should now pay them extra to fix the problem they created themselfs and we should be glad to get a fixed product for extra money?

I suppose one benefit of this scheme is that people like me who wont use the app anyway can split the cost of a codex with a friend who just wants the digital version.

For now it is not even a list builder as the feature is marked with "coming soon"

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.

so now we pay for bug-fix

I was reading the blood angels article and I don’t remember see the Chaplin with jump pack before. Is it new or just an old model? I also noticed they said his jump pack will help him keep up with other jump pack infantry models so maybe a hint to jump pack Intercessors?

Well you can always not pay. Your wallet is yours to decide what to do with it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well they pointed out that the books will be updated for all FAQs and the like, so that's a nice sales pitch for the app alone.

No it isn't. 'We fixed the errors we made, and you can have them for free or pay for them' is incoherent.... unless they get into scummy business practices and stop providing access to the error-fixes for free. And then they're just being jerks (and possibly violating laws about selling faulty products)

I was excited about the app, but I think it’s a bit pricey for me. I understand that they are a company and need to make a profit, but an app that costs almost as much as a Netflix subscription, with little functionality unless you buy physical copies of the rules sources just doesn’t appeal to me.

It would be like paying a Netflix subscription but still needing to buy the DVD boxset before you could watch a tv show.

On top of that, it doesn’t work on a laptop, only a mobile device. I was really hoping that it would be a paired account where I could read the rules and do my list building on my computer and then access it on my phone when I’m at my FLGS.

Oh well, I guess not. I expect I’ll download the app to see what it’s like, but that’s about it.

Far too pricey, id have considered £5 a month if it was literally all rules, all publications all the time. For what theyre offering, £1-2 max

Ya the App is a BIG NO from me.

Battlescribe until I or It dies. And after that, probably just the good ol' notepad + calculator like the good old days.

SirGrotzalot wrote:
I was reading the blood angels article and I don’t remember see the Chaplin with jump pack before. Is it new or just an old model? I also noticed they said his jump pack will help him keep up with other jump pack infantry models so maybe a hint to jump pack Intercessors?

He's been around for quite a while. (2015?)
I wouldn't read in too much about jump primaris, since they had just shown off sanguinary guard (whose models have not aged well- maybe its just the photography or painting, but they look like tired gak when compared to the assault intercessors and the chaplain)

Voss wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is a subscription, not a purchase. If you spend $5 one month and are completely unsatisfied, then cancel. Easy as that. If not, keep your sub.

Yeah, though the thing is a subscription doesn't actually make sense. Subscriptions generally provide ongoing content.
If you have a code for the app, you... have the relevant book. There isn't any reason to pay an additional $5/month for what you already have.
Same with the 'yearly' points update for your book. There isn't any reason to pay $5/month before or after the day of the points update.

Its a subscription service with no actual benefit to subscribing.
If this was a way to get access to all the current codexes without buying them, then it might actually have some value. But this is volunteering to pay a service fee because GW developed an app where you can pay a service fee, not because it actually provides you with anything or does anything.

But without the app how will you know that your army is officially Battle Forged^TM? Once the army builder feature is enabled I can see the subscription becoming required for all Battle Forged^TM armies.