40k 9th edition, : App released page 413

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**Kanluwen**

So that's the cardboard playspace?

I like the new scenery though...

**Tiberius501**

So to perform a Heroic Intervention, you must be outside of Engagement Range, but within 3” horizontally, and 5” vertically. Except isn’t the vertical Engagement range 5”?

**JNAProductions**

Tiberius501 wrote:
So to perform a Heroic Intervention, you must be outside of Engagement Range, but within 3” horizontally, and 5” vertically. Except isn’t the vertical Engagement range 5”?

But if you're outside of the 1" horizontal, you should be fine.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:
So that's the cardboard playspace?

I like the new scenery though...

Yes that's the box for the new board, but what's more interesting is the as-yet unreleased terrain on the front.

**Kanluwen**

Well obviously the terrain's interesting, I just thought it was neat to get to see it all.

Shame it doesn't come with the terrain though.

**Ghaz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/09/the-app-all-you-need-to-know/

**H.B.M.C.**

App info.

**Daedalus81**

the_scotsman wrote:
Trickstick wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Blast will barely bother them at 10 man tbh.

I would be shooting things like battlecannons and demolishers first at any 10 man marine squads that were around.

for sure, it's just that the bump from 5-10 is only about 15% while the bump from 10-11 is about 40%.

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Shooty squads whose primary job isn't "be a screen" will not care about new coherency at all. They probably packed pretty tight to keep in aura ranges anyway. Melee squads will be the other units affected, who will struggle to achieve multicharges even harder and won't be able to get everyone in combat.

Plus, for good measure, I'm betting that the point cost for Cultists and Servitors is not an outlier but a trend, and GW will have decided that every sub-10ppm unit needed a 40-50% point hike while every 15-20ppm unit needed a 10-20% hike unless they mount a blast weapon.

You know, because we can't JUST make a ruleset that massively favors elites. We also need to pair it with hugely disproportionate point nerfs to hordes.

Meanwhile the WW took a 56% increase and the TFC 52%. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet.

**Danit**

In before the whining about the new app https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/09/the-app-all-you-need-to-know/

**dumb_numpty**

£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.

**H.B.M.C.**

dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.

And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

**Tiberius501**

JNAProductions wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
So to perform a Heroic Intervention, you must be outside of Engagement Range, but within 3” horizontally, and 5” vertically. Except isn’t the vertical Engagement range 5”?
But if you're outside of the 1" horizontal, you should be fine.

It seems unintended. Not sure why they couldn’t have just say you can’t heroically intervene vertically.

**changemod**

dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.

It’s also useless without one-use codes from buying codexes, meaning it’s only a particularly useful tool for people who collect those.

**Spoletta**

As far as I understood, the part where you have your rules by applying the codex code, is part of the free app.

The subscribed version only adds the hyperlinks.

**Daedalus81**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.
And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

It is pretty friggin' expensive. All the 8th books is ok. The army builder not being ready is expected...but are we still going to have access to points? Grrr.

Almost no one will jump off battlescribe for this.

**Nevelon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.
And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

Looks like the core rules and any codes you get from buying Codexes are available in the free version. So still useful to have to keep all your 40k stuff together.

But that price point a month?

I’ll keep using battlescribe.

**Eldarsif**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.
And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

It does contain all the 8th edition codexes in the price for the time being. So paying for the app for that while it lasts is nice, but will be removed as soon as 9th edition codexes get updates so I wonder how they will entice subscribers to continue.

**ziggurattt**

changemod wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.

It’s also useless without one-use codes from buying codexes, meaning it’s only a particularly useful tool for people who collect those.

I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.

**the_scotsman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.
And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

If they offer an in-app version of the codex that costs me 3.99 toodlepip doubloons less I might be down. I'd pay...very close to full price to have codexes I actually want in a form that does not require me to own a book + a nicer version of battlescribe.

**H.B.M.C.**

I doubt there will be digital only versions.

ziggurattt wrote:
I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.

That just means that over time it loses content and you have to pay to update it.

**the_scotsman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I doubt there will be digital only versions.

ziggurattt wrote:
I believe the article said that it will have 8th edition codexes available with the subscription, until the 9th edition codex for your army drops. So that's worth it, for me.
That just means that over time it loses content and you have to pay to update it.

you figure they're going to get rid of them? Don't they have them now?

**kodos**

so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

**Shadenuat**

I'll stick to Notepad.exe thanks.

**the_scotsman**

Daedalus81 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
dumb_numpty wrote:
£3.99/month for the subs version? Am I reading that right? Seems a bit pricey.
And you have to buy the rules on top of that to get a code to use in the app. So you're paying more to have an electronic version of something you've already bought.

It is pretty friggin' expensive. All the 8th books is ok. The army builder not being ready is expected...but are we still going to have access to points? Grrr.

Almost no one will jump off battlescribe for this.

If you think they won't try really really hard to shut down battlescribe the instant this launches with the added legal ammo of it being an illegal 'stolen' version of a product they offer, then I don't think you've paid attention to anything any corporation has ever done.

**dhallnet**

There is no point to suscribe if you don't get the new content for 9th with the subscription.

I don't get it.

Or they think an army builder is worth 4£ a month ?

**BaconCatBug**

£4 a month for the privilege of reading the digital versions of the book you also bought? Seems legit.

Sadly they know people will swallow this hook, line, and sinker.

**p5freak**

kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all that for 4€ per month i will gladly pay for it.

**ClockworkZion**

the_scotsman wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
The largest advantage of the slow grow approach is your tend to end with a larger collection that weathers meta shifts more easily.

The trade off is how long it takes to do so, which is a downside when you want to get your wins in really fast, but the perk is still a perk.

Cool, coolcoolcool, so I've got a really large, slow-grow collection of GSC, maybe you can tell me what I can do to build a successful list for 9th. I've got, let's see:

-40 Acolytes with various melee weapon options
-40 neophytes with various heavy and special weapon options
-40 Purestrain Genestealers
-2 goliath trucks
-1 goliath rockgrinder
-1 Achilles
-10 jackal bikers
-1 of each of basically every character
-30 brood brothers infantry squads
-2 scout sentinels with heavy flamers
-10 aberrants

but darn, wouldn't you know it, it sure seems like nearly all my units ended up light infantry hordes, probably because that's the only kind of troop my army has. it sure does seem like pretty much everything in my army besides the goliaths and rockgrinders gets penalized by those new rules in some significant way. If having a variety of stuff is the solution that would keep me from getting hosed by the edition change, it's weird that having access to every single unit in the codex barring one or two characters I don't have still leaves me feeling like I have eaten a nerf on basically every model I own for the army, and GW seems to have handed out my army's one big advantage to every other faction in the game as a core strat.

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ClockworkZion wrote:
Intercessors sitting on your backfield shooting is good strategy. Intercessors sitting on your backfield hoisting the banner? Less so.

So then how is a large spammed unit of cultists sitting in your backfield ENTIRELY OUT OF THE RANGE OF THEIR GUNS hoisting the banner somehow a good strategy, according to you?

Why is that a potential balance problem that needs to be addressed by an insane number of nerfs?

Maybe chill the hell out, wait for the FAQs and quit trying to ride me like the Pony Express just because you don't agree with me? Thanks.

**ziggurattt**

I mean, aren't we (if you are concerned about updated rules and points) basically paying a subscription now anyway?

Your codex drops. Cost xxx to play.
Points and rules get updated, cost xxx to play with updated rules and points.
Points and rules get updated again, cost xxx to play with updated rules and points.
And then I have to lug around 17 different books to play a soup army.

I'd rather all the info just get consolidated in one place, where I know it's legit. I don't mind the monthly subscription and having to buy books to unlock the rules. Having it all in one place and automagically updated it worth is to me.

**dhallnet**

p5freak wrote:
kodos wrote:
so 4 pounds a month for the same thing that Battlescribe does for free

guess next step is to act against Battlescribe?

No, battlescribe is just a list builder, this GW app will have everything, list builder, stratagems, core rules, every rule from every codex. If this app does all for 4€ per month i will gladly pay it.

No it won't. You'll have the 8th ed version and as soon as it is replaced by a 9th ed equivalent, you'll lose the 8th ed variant and will have to buy the physical book to update your app...