Someone Has to Know About the Lost Primarchs/Legions

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**Spartan089**

Hot take (well not really considering how people feel about GW), but I believe we'll get both legions down the road so that Games Workshop can shill another line of marines with vastly different wargear/rules but still in that power armor flavor everyone likes. If they can shoehorn Primaris into the canon then they can explain away why these 2 legions were missing for 10,000+ years.

**Lord Fishface**

pm713 wrote:
Lord Fishface wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
“It threatened the ideals at the heart of the crusade” this is a very interesting turn of phrase

If the remaining soldiers of the lost legion had their memories wiped they would have fallen in battle and their geen seed gathered and used to create more astartes, surely?
I mean, it was hinted they all got thrown at Guilliman anyway.

Yes but if they were brainwashed and became UM and the UM apothecarys were not aware that they had a different gene sire, when they fell in combat their gene seed would have been collected and added to UM gene stocks. So does that mean not all UM are descended form RG.

If so this proves that mutation was not a problem with either of the missing primarchs and proves that the were very similar to RG in terms of not turning into wolves etc

For example if you made an SM with a DA gene stock but along side UM initiates and indoctrinated then into the UM how would know the difference without genetic testing

Presumably the geneseed has to match the implanted organs. Otherwise the crusade-era Imperium could simply have used Horus’ geneseed (the first primarch found) for every legion. So that raises the interesting problem that if marines from the missing legions were distributed among the eighteen before the heresy, the legions apothecaries must have been made aware there was something unusual about them. If only we could ask our friend Fabius Bile...

At least five Legions have different geneseeds (Alpha Legion, Salamander, Space Wolves, Thousand Sons and Raven Guard) so it's not unreasonable they'd all be different in some way.

I’d taken it as read that every legion had distinct geneseed. My point was that the example above of geneseeds from II and/or XI getting mixed up with the Ultramarines wouldn’t work, as if it did, the Emperor’s Children’s backstory (among others) wouldn’t make sense.

**BaconCatBug**

Can't Progenoid Glands be removed any time after they mature, but because they assist with the regulation of the other organs they usually keep the chest ones implanted until death and harvest the neck ones once they mature?

It might have been a case where all the 2nd and 11th legionaries had their chest Progenoid Glands removed before being transferred, and I guess the Scouts/new recruits just got a bolt shell to the back of the head.

**mrFickle**

Spartan089 wrote:
Hot take (well not really considering how people feel about GW), but I believe we'll get both legions down the road so that Games Workshop can shill another line of marines with vastly different wargear/rules but still in that power armor flavor everyone likes. If they can shoehorn Primaris into the canon then they can explain away why these 2 legions were missing for 10,000+ years.

Maybe they discovered some necron tech and transferred their souls in to mechanical bodies and now lay dormant waiting to.....err.....get vengeance

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BaconCatBug wrote:
Can't Progenoid Glands be removed any time after they mature, but because they assist with the regulation of the other organs they usually keep the chest ones implanted until death and harvest the neck ones once they mature?

It might have been a case where all the 2nd and 11th legionaries had their chest Progenoid Glands removed before being transferred, and I guess the Scouts/new recruits just got a bolt shell to the back of the head.

Still apothecarys would have been reporting an unusual number of marines missing a gland which would have warranted some sort of analysis

**BaconCatBug**

mrFickle wrote:
Still apothecarys would have been reporting an unusual number of marines missing a gland which would have warranted some sort of analysis

And Rowboat would have taken any uppity Apothecary to the side and give them a stern Talking To.

**mrFickle**

BaconCatBug wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
Still apothecarys would have been reporting an unusual number of marines missing a gland which would have warranted some sort of analysis
And Rowboat would have taken any uppity Apothecary to the side and give them a stern Talking To.

When they are are spread across the galaxy? Across 18 legions and 100,000s of troop

**VictorVonTzeentch**

mrFickle wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
Still apothecarys would have been reporting an unusual number of marines missing a gland which would have warranted some sort of analysis
And Rowboat would have taken any uppity Apothecary to the side and give them a stern Talking To.

When they are are spread across the galaxy? Across 18 legions and 100,000s of troop

The Implications from the stories are that they weren't spread across all 18 Legions. They were given to the Ultramarines, and maybe the Imperial Fists (at least from the story with Dorn that sounds possible).

**Tyzarion_Kronius**

Is there any indication in lore how large either of the two lost legions were?

**the ancient**

Sangy mentions to Horus after killing one of his own, that he doesnt want the Emps to find out about his legions actions. Horus is shocked, but understands that Sangy doesnt want to suffer the same fate as 2/11. So they both know what happened.
Said legionary attacked his primarch, after quietly, sitting there and sipping blood til the primarch turned up. Then went loon.
Nothing Malcador hates more than a traitor. Which is where most of the problems begin if you ask me.