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Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
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Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
Then you should read closer, and gain some reading comprehension to learn to extrapotalte information from what you read:
Where extrapolation and reading Comprehension comes in:
Standard Saving throw rules excerpt: "The player commanding the target unit then makes one saving throw by rolling one D6 and modifying the roll by the Armour Penetration (AP) characteristic of the weapon that the attack was made with.
Data Sheets #4 Profiles, Save [ Sv ]: This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives.
Invulnerable Saves excerpt:If you use a model’s invulnerable save, it is never modified by a weapon’s Armour Penetration value.
So reading all of these; what would you think an "Armor Saving Throw" is/means? Hint: it is not a morale test.
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Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
Where extrapolation and reading Comprehension comes in: Standard Saving throw rules excerpt: "The player commanding the target unit then makes one saving throw by rolling one D6 and modifying the roll by the Armour Penetration (AP) characteristic of the weapon that the attack was made with.
Data Sheets #4 Profiles, Save [ Sv ]: This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives.
Invulnerable Saves excerpt:If you use a model’s invulnerable save, it is never modified by a weapon’s Armour Penetration value.
So reading all of these; what would you think an "Armor Saving Throw" is/means? Hint: it is not a morale test.
The same as in 8th, just because the Save Characteristic represents "the protection a model’s armour gives" doesn't make the "To Save" roll an "Armour Saving Roll".
Page 18, 9th Core Rules wrote:4. SAVING THROW The player commanding the target unit then makes one saving throw by rolling one D6 and modifying the roll by the Armour Penetration (AP) characteristic of the weapon that the attack was made with. For example, if the weapon has an AP of -1, then 1 is subtracted from the saving throw roll. If the result is equal to, or greater than, the Save (Sv) characteristic of the model the attack was allocated to, then the saving throw is successful and the attack sequence ends. If the result is less than the model’s Save characteristic, then the saving throw fails and the model suffers damage. An unmodified roll of 1 always fails.
Nowhere does it mention this mythical term "Armour Saving Throw" or "Armour Save Roll". Now, if it's defined in the glossary, there is no issue. However I don't have access to that glossary.
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I normally stay out of these, but the Drukhari 9th Edition FAQ offers:
"each time a ranged attack is allocated to a model in that unit while it is receiving the benefits of cover, add an additional 1 to any armour saving throw made against that attack."
Don't know if that adds any clarity, but its something...
Cheers
T2B
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TangoTwoBravo wrote: I normally stay out of these, but the Drukhari 9th Edition FAQ offers:
"each time a ranged attack is allocated to a model in that unit while it is receiving the benefits of cover, add an additional 1 to any armour saving throw made against that attack."
Don't know if that adds any clarity, but its something...
Cheers
T2B
That doesn't add clarity, all it is is a rule that does nothing (in 8th), same as Shroudpsalm or the Take cover stratagem.
Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
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Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
Can you give me a page reference? Not the fluff blurb about the save characteristic representing the armour, but an actual instance of "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw"?
Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
Can you give me a page reference? Not the fluff blurb about the save characteristic representing the armour, but an actual instance of "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw"?
I have already quoted the relevant passage.
8th defines save (Sv) as an armour save. This is not a "fluff blurb" it is a definition (Page 13 btw in case you missed it).
Thus we, and GW can call it an armor save or a save and be correct.
P.S. For 9th 27:50 minute mark has the unboxing and has a page from the "Rules Terms Glossary" that lists the definition for "Armour saving throw". Watch it below:
Spoiler:
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I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
Can you give me a page reference? Not the fluff blurb about the save characteristic representing the armour, but an actual instance of "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw"?
I have already quoted the relevant passage.
8th defines save (Sv) as an armour save. This is not a "fluff blurb" it is a definition (Page 13 btw in case you missed it).
Thus we, and GW can call it an armor save or a save and be correct.
P.S. For 9th 27:50 minute mark has the unboxing and has a page from the "Rules Terms Glossary" that lists the definition for "Armour saving throw". Watch it below:
Spoiler:
Again, can you show me where the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" exists in the 8th edition rulebook?
Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
Can you give me a page reference? Not the fluff blurb about the save characteristic representing the armour, but an actual instance of "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw"?
I have already quoted the relevant passage.
8th defines save (Sv) as an armour save. This is not a "fluff blurb" it is a definition (Page 13 btw in case you missed it).
Thus we, and GW can call it an armor save or a save and be correct.
P.S. For 9th 27:50 minute mark has the unboxing and has a page from the "Rules Terms Glossary" that lists the definition for "Armour saving throw". Watch it below:
Spoiler:
Again, can you show me where the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" exists in the 8th edition rulebook?
Thank you for the video, I had not seen it.
Do you really credit GW so much to believe they could faq something correctly?
Just like having Terminators in cover now, they don't get a 2+ but an AP-1 weapon firing at them will still only go against their 2+, due to the bonus mitigation from the cover.
I will not rest until the Tabletop Imperial Guard has been reduced to complete mediocrity. This is completely reflected in the lore.
Of course, what an "armour saving throw" is is beyond me.
You know exactly what is meant when they say "armour saving throw".
Stop pretending that you don't.
I genuinely don't. I've looked though the 9th edition core rules, I only see "Save" (page 7, page 18) and "Invulnerable Save" (page 19).
Now, if they FAQ to say that "Save" and "Armour Save" are synonymous? I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But they haven't, so they aren't.
You do, so stop pretending you do not. Maybe you did not look close enough through 9th ed?
1st page of the rules term glossary has the term "Armor Saving throw"
Also the Sv characteristic on the Dataslates say "Save (Sv): This indicates the protection a model’s armour gives." (Page 13 in 8th ed 40K) Thus Armour Save...
Like I said, I have only read the core rules, the full rulebook isn't for sale yet. If they do define the save characteristic as an "Armour Saving Throw", then I will be happy, it's long past time for it to have been defined as such!
They did in 8th ed, so not quite that long. I do not see why they would take that definition away for 9th ed.
Can you give me a page reference? Not the fluff blurb about the save characteristic representing the armour, but an actual instance of "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw"?
I have already quoted the relevant passage.
8th defines save (Sv) as an armour save. This is not a "fluff blurb" it is a definition (Page 13 btw in case you missed it).
Thus we, and GW can call it an armor save or a save and be correct.
P.S. For 9th 27:50 minute mark has the unboxing and has a page from the "Rules Terms Glossary" that lists the definition for "Armour saving throw". Watch it below:
Spoiler:
That rule book isn't out yet. How can you possible say that armor saves are a thing at all.
Currently 9th does not define armor saves anywhere and if you saw it the video you don't know whether or not it will change before release date ? how could you possibly assume anything from such lackluster and unreleased material.
Ridiculous speculation. Why don't you just wait for the book to be released or an FAQ to clarify it @DeathReaper . What a foolish post you have there.
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
BaconCatBug wrote: Again, can you show me where the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" exists in the 8th edition rulebook?
Thank you for the video, I had not seen it.
I do not need to show you that specific term (you already know they do not specifically say "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" in 8th), because the definition for Save (Sv) defines Saving throw or (Sv) as an Armour save...
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
BaconCatBug wrote: Again, can you show me where the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" exists in the 8th edition rulebook?
Thank you for the video, I had not seen it.
I do not need to show you that specific term (you already know they do not specifically say "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" in 8th), because the definition for Save (Sv) defines Saving throw or (Sv) as an Armour save...
@BCB your right, no such definition exists as of yet.
As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW.
Slayer6 wrote: It just adds a modicum of bonus AP mitigation.
Just like having Terminators in cover now, they don't get a 2+ but an AP-1 weapon firing at them will still only go against their 2+, due to the bonus mitigation from the cover.
BaconCatBug wrote: Again, can you show me where the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" exists in the 8th edition rulebook?
Thank you for the video, I had not seen it.
I do not need to show you that specific term (you already know they do not specifically say "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Throw" in 8th), because the definition for Save (Sv) defines Saving throw or (Sv) as an Armour save...
@BCB your right, no such definition exists as of yet.
Except it does. Page 13, if you missed it.
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
I know you refuse to accept reason, and have a strange obsession with "context", as if that changes anything, but nowhere on that page does it define the term "Armour Save" or "Armour Saving Roll".
In 8th, it was not defined. In 9th, it seems it's defined in the glossary.
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