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So, RaW you cannot select 1500 points as a points limit for the Eternal War mission pack. As some of you might already know, I won't be house ruling it myself, but I am curious as to how you all would go about it?

For reference, Incursion missions are the 1000 pt missions, and Strike Force missions are the 2000 pt missions.

No house ruling?
Incursion mission pool, 1500 pts, 9CP?
Strike Force mission pool, 1500 pts, 9CP?
Incursion AND Strike Force mission pool, 1500 pts, 9CP?
Incusrion OR Strike Force mission pool (determine beforehand), 1500 pts, 9CP?

I'm happy to houserule absolutely anything if it improves my enjoyment of the game and convenience. I chose the lowest option, though the "and" one would have also sufficed.

Shame there wasn't an option for "I'll literally pick anything if my opponent and I agree."

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm happy to houserule absolutely anything if it improves my enjoyment of the game and convenience. I chose the lowest option, though the "and" one would have also sufficed.

Shame there wasn't an option for "I'll literally pick anything if my opponent and I agree."

Fair point, I added that option.

1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

Edit: Ah I see, there's another version of the table that doesn't have point ranges, just set values. Fortunately the table in the "Battle forged Armies" section clears this up for anyone who isn't just looking for something to make a fuss about.

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

There is no option to pick 1500 points. You can pick either 1000/6CP or 2000/12CP, there isn't a generic rule that says it's 3 CP for every 500 points, it's a fixed list of limits.

Step 2. Muster Armies
Each player must then select a Battle-forged army. The points limit of each player's army, and the number of Command points each player starts with when they begin mustering their army, are as shown bellow:
ARMY BATTLE SIZE Points Limit Command Points Combat Patrol 500 3 Incursion 1000 6 Strike Force 2000 12 Onslaught 3000 18

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

There is no option to pick 1500 points. You can pick either 1000/6CP or 2000/12CP, there isn't a generic rule that says it's 3 CP for every 500 points, it's a fixed list of limits.

See above. For some daft reason they have two versions of the same table.

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm happy to houserule absolutely anything if it improves my enjoyment of the game and convenience. I chose the lowest option, though the "and" one would have also sufficed.

Shame there wasn't an option for "I'll literally pick anything if my opponent and I agree."

Fair point, I added that option.

Was the dripping sarcasm and condescension necessary?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm happy to houserule absolutely anything if it improves my enjoyment of the game and convenience. I chose the lowest option, though the "and" one would have also sufficed.

Shame there wasn't an option for "I'll literally pick anything if my opponent and I agree."

Fair point, I added that option.

Was the dripping sarcasm and condescension necessary?

It's a "Who's line is it anyway" reference. I am sorry if you took it as either sarcasm or condescension.


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Moosatronic Warrior wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

There is no option to pick 1500 points. You can pick either 1000/6CP or 2000/12CP, there isn't a generic rule that says it's 3 CP for every 500 points, it's a fixed list of limits.

See above. For some daft reason they have two versions of the same table.

Even if another table exists elsewhere, the table used for the Eternal War missions takes priority. Where is this other table? Is it for one of the other mission packs?

There's a section about creating battle forged armies that starts with "some missions will tell you to muster a battle forged army..." Eternal war missions are such mission so it applies to them. Why start threads like this when you don't have all the rules?

The page you found your table on even refers you to the page with the proper table on.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Where is this other table? Is it for one of the other mission packs?

Page 244, in the section with the rules for Battle Forged armies.

However, it's a generic table and specifically says that it's only for use if the mission pack being played doesn't include one. (The Eternal War mission pack in the corebook includes such a table.)

(Likewise, since the points levels and CP for those points are mission-pack specific, you could easily have, RAW, 1500 point 9cp missions, you just have to use a mission pack that includes it as an option.)

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
There's a section about creating battle forged armies that starts with "some missions will tell you to muster a battle forged army..." Eternal war missions are such mission so it applies to them. Why start threads like this when you don't have all the rules?

The page you found your table on even refers you to the page with the proper table on.

Yes, but that table is for Battle-forged armies, as a base standard if you're using the Only War mission or some other missions that don't have a different table to use. The table for Eternal War missions overrides the Battle-forged army table.

The rules for Battle-forged armies even literally says "this is usually detailed in the mission pack that is being played, but if one is not presented in the mission pack, use the following table."

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm happy to houserule absolutely anything if it improves my enjoyment of the game and convenience. I chose the lowest option, though the "and" one would have also sufficed.

Shame there wasn't an option for "I'll literally pick anything if my opponent and I agree."

Fair point, I added that option.

Was the dripping sarcasm and condescension necessary?

It's a "Who's line is it anyway" reference. I am sorry if you took it as either sarcasm or condescension.

My apologies - it's not a reference I understood.

I was going to say this was another silly thread based on a typo but actually, it might be their intent to limit games to 500/1K/2K/3K.
They explicitly state that "points limit of each player's army and the number of command points each player starts with when they begin mustering their army, are shown below". Not that we should look at the table below to know how many CP we start with depending on the point limit we've chosen.

Dunno why they would do that though.

Well. We will see after the 2 week faq. I'll just follow the other table meanwhile, it solves any issue (So, Strike Force - 12CP, which isn't an option in your poll).

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

Edit: Ah I see, there's another version of the table that doesn't have point ranges, just set values. Fortunately the table in the "Battle forged Armies" section clears this up for anyone who isn't just looking for something to make a fuss about.

This. All of this. Trying to pretend this is some kind of “GW FORBIDS 1500pt GAMES!” drama is hilarious.

I wonder why command points lists 1001-2000 as strike force with 12 CP, when you cant play 1001-1999

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
1500pts is Strike Force and 12CP RAW from the rules I've got. What am I missing?

Edit: Ah I see, there's another version of the table that doesn't have point ranges, just set values. Fortunately the table in the "Battle forged Armies" section clears this up for anyone who isn't just looking for something to make a fuss about.

This. All of this. Trying to pretend this is some kind of “GW FORBIDS 1500pt GAMES!” drama is hilarious.

Did you miss the part of the rule where it says that table only applies if the mission pack doesn't have its own table? I even quoted it, verbatim, in an earlier post. It's not drama, it's a legitimate concern. Just because you, personally, feel free to house rule every rule imaginable doesn't mean anyone else wants to.

It is extremely important that BCB point out very extremely important *checks notes* dubious inconsistencies.

rbstr wrote:
It is extremely important that BCB point out very extremely important *checks notes* dubious inconsistencies.

As opposed to putting your fingers in your ears and pretending there aren't day -1 problems AGAIN?

I will probably play the 2000 point missions as written with 1500 points per side.

If it turns out not to work, then I'll probably just use a different mission pack, up to and including past edition's mission packs.

I guess Incursion AND Strike Force?

I mean, we just make a big chart of ALL the missions (matched, Open, Narrative, campaign, etc), # them in such a way that we can roll them randomly, & then determine mission by die roll. Sometimes before making lists, sometimes after.
What pts limits we're using have never been of any importance to the missions, so I don't see that changing

Just to make your RAW head explode - our typical games will be fought on tables that are 48" across, no bonus pts for fully painted armies, & completely random missions regardless of pts.

The tighter GW tightens their rule fists the more oddities slip through their fingers.

But seriously, if I wanted an off number points I'd be forced to house rule it as sometimes 1,000 is too little but 2,000 is too much.

Looking at this again I think this isn't actually an oversight. They may have decide that the specific points levels given for matched play are the only ones properly balanced with the CP, missions, and board sizes. So matched play is specifically 500, 1000, 2000 or 3000pts.

It shouldn't take a genius to figure out how to play a "matched play" game at 1500pts if that's what both players want though.

 p5freak wrote:
I wonder why command points lists 1001-2000 as strike force with 12 CP, when you cant play 1001-1999

You can play 1001-1999 points games.

Just not Eternal War Missions apparently.