Can Campaign Books Sell Without OP Rules?

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**Vector Strike**

Phenatix wrote:
Points should be distributed electronically, regularly, and for free. With this model, GW can fiddle with points to their hearts content, as needed for new releases, the desire to sell new kits, clear out inventory of old kits, etc. They want an app - put points in the app. Harvest everyone's user data, welcome to the 21st century.

Printed material really should exist to sell models to the hobbyist and collector, both of which GW claims to target. Last I heard, their official stance was that they view themselves as a collectible miniatures company, and the game is simply a side effect. Whether you believe that or not (I don't, I believe their sales would fall off the face of the Earth if they decided there would be no more 40k/AoS game rules), GW at least claims to.

The books are also the primary source of new lore, art, game rules, and alternative modes of play (Crusade, Kill Team, etc). However, point values should really exist outside of any purchased material. Those arguing lost sales... Really? If a person only wants the book for the points, they're not buying it. Be honest with yourself. And why would they, there are multiple FAQ/errata per year that regularly change the point values printed in their books, which then become outdated.

Completely agree with this. I hope they'll do that in 10th.

**Dai**

I was in at Age Of Sigmar from the start where there were no points, few faction special rules but lots and lots of missions and campaign books. I bought them. Most did not.

**Crispy78**

vict0988 wrote:

I am bringing this up after reading that someone was going to return their limited edition Psychic Awakening Pariah book because their anticipated power creep did not come for Necrons

Surely Necrons are going to get a new 9th edition Codex any minute now... It would be a waste of time to put many new rules in the campaign book.

**Mr Morden**

Dai wrote:
I was in at Age Of Sigmar from the start where there were no points, few faction special rules but lots and lots of missions and campaign books. I bought them. Most did not.

I bought some but was put off by the intensive focus on Stormcast and Khorne and little else.

**vict0988**

Crispy78 wrote:
vict0988 wrote:

I am bringing this up after reading that someone was going to return their limited edition Psychic Awakening Pariah book because their anticipated power creep did not come for Necrons

Surely Necrons are going to get a new 9th edition Codex any minute now... It would be a waste of time to put many new rules in the campaign book.

How so? How many rules can you cram into a codex? Are Necrons going to get 40 Stratagems, new gimmick mechanic and make-your-own Dynasties all in their next codex?

**Mr Morden**

vict0988 wrote:
Crispy78 wrote:
vict0988 wrote:

I am bringing this up after reading that someone was going to return their limited edition Psychic Awakening Pariah book because their anticipated power creep did not come for Necrons

Surely Necrons are going to get a new 9th edition Codex any minute now... It would be a waste of time to put many new rules in the campaign book.

How so? How many rules can you cram into a codex? Are Necrons going to get 40 Stratagems, new gimmick mechanic and make-your-own Dynasties all in their next codex?

Isn't the new Codex confirmed as one of the first realease alnong with a Marine dex - if you make it the same size as a Marine dex then you can absoltely get all those things in.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

It doesnt need to be OP, but I at least wouldn't buy a campaign splat for narrative or narrative/open play rules.

That said, I hate campaign splats in general and would like to see them go away.

**Crispy78**

vict0988 wrote:
Crispy78 wrote:
vict0988 wrote:

I am bringing this up after reading that someone was going to return their limited edition Psychic Awakening Pariah book because their anticipated power creep did not come for Necrons

Surely Necrons are going to get a new 9th edition Codex any minute now... It would be a waste of time to put many new rules in the campaign book.

How so? How many rules can you cram into a codex? Are Necrons going to get 40 Stratagems, new gimmick mechanic and make-your-own Dynasties all in their next codex?

How many rules can you cram into a codex? Well, when the codex comes out I would damn well hope it's 'all the rules for that faction'. So, yeah. If they're getting all of that, it should be in the new codex.

**techsoldaten**

I wouldn't call most campaign rules OP.

A few come to mind that were outrageous, like the initial Ynnari release. But most are balance releases intended to bring Codexes up to speed with the current meta.

That said - I don't like the complexity. Tournaments are starting to ban specialist detachments from the Vigilus books, which I was looking forward to using in 9th. There's an orthodoxy to 40k which makes it hard to count on those balance releases long term and makes me hesitant to build an army around them.

Thinking back to 7th edition, Traitor's Hate and Traitor Legions were both good books that introduced some innovative rules. They were useful for about 6 months. That's not good.

A lot of the Psychic Awakening stuff - maybe it was powerful in 8th, but 9th edition mechanics change the game. World Eaters are really taking it on the nose with the new charge mechanics, those Red Butchers are going to experience a lot of overkill because they're not doing multicharges.

That's the aspect I really dislike, rules that are good but become obsolete. By the time GW has released all the Codexes, they are looking at the next edition and those balance releases are no longer useful.

**Tycho**

Thinking back to 7th edition, Traitor's Hate and Traitor Legions were both good books that introduced some innovative rules. They were useful for about 6 months. That's not good.

Oh wow. I completely forgot about those. CSM went from borderline unplayable to actually strong based just on those ...

But Traitor Legions wasn't really a "Campaign Book" was it. As I recall it was essentially a codex update wasn't it? Traitor's Hate had a campaign though I think.