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A 1000 point starting point for an upcoming crusade. Though I am only on about 770 points, not sure what would be best to fill the gap. The army will escalate to 1250 (and then probably more) over time, so I just want a good base that I won't want to get rid of / swap out over time.

Ignore any detachment-type or relic/warlord trait problems, they're probably just placeholders for upgrades coming later.


++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [15 PL, -3CP, 267pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Masque Form: (Not sure which one to use)

+ Stratagems +

Enigmas of the Black Library (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Troupe Master [4 PL, -1CP, 65pts]: Choreographer of War, Darkness' Bite, Harlequin's Blade, Shuriken Pistol, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Twilight Fang

+ Elites +

Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Cegroach's Lament, Humbling Cruelty

Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Harvester of Torment

Solitaire [5 PL, -1CP, 102pts]: Blitz, Harlequin's Caress, Harlequin's Kiss, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, Unnatural Acrobatics

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [26 PL, 505pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Craftworld Attribute
. *Custom Craftworld*: Expert Crafters, Wrath of the Dead

+ HQ +

Wraithseer [10 PL, 155pts]: 5: Mark of the Incomparable Hunter, Craftworlds Warlord, D-cannon

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 75pts]
. 5x Ranger: 5x Ranger Long Rifle, 5x Shuriken Pistol

Rangers [3 PL, 75pts]
. 5x Ranger: 5x Ranger Long Rifle, 5x Shuriken Pistol

+ Elites +

Wraithblades [10 PL, 200pts]: Ghostaxe and Forceshield, 5x Wraithblade

++ Total: [41 PL, -3CP, 772pts] ++



I like the idea of the sniper Wraithseer, along with a couple units of actual snipers (I could drop this to just one unit, if the points can be better spend on a more fun unit choice). Crusade has an upgrade that can make the rangers deal mortal wounds on a 5+ instead of a 6+, so they can end up pretty nasty after a while. Two Jesters, rangers and a Wraithseer D-Cannon all able to pick at characters could be interesting.

My alternative idea for the Wraithseer was to run it as Ynnari for the 5+++ half damage relic, making it a tanky beast, but the tax of having to take a Ynnari character/detachment made things annoying. But I'm open to the idea still.

Wraithblades are my tanky objective holder. Considering spending the spare points on a warlock or farseer to give them Fortune or Protect.

Looking for something fun to fill out the last 230 points. Considering some bikes, but also considering a couple wraithlords to keep with the theme.

Also considering a Shadowseer + a Troupe, which is probably a more sensible choice, and Troupes and Shadowseers are both goood.

Hopefully someone will weigh in with some thoughts

I think at 1k pts the wraith-seer going to be hard to shift.
Id hide him and for any AT stuff before bringing him into center board. Without things like fortune or ynnari rules the wraithseer is quite squishy despite his stat line I think. But you can heal him up so its something..

I think the Patrol detachment is better suited as Ynarri as there are stratagems, relics, and the basic Ynarri rules that would benefit the Wraithseer and Wraithblades. The Rangers are a bit lackluster to shoot with, but can utilize to aid in securing primary and secondary objectives.

 Sarigar wrote:
I think the Patrol detachment is better suited as Ynarri as there are stratagems, relics, and the basic Ynarri rules that would benefit the Wraithseer and Wraithblades. The Rangers are a bit lackluster to shoot with, but can utilize to aid in securing primary and secondary objectives.

I have an alternative version, which is basically the exact same but the Craftworld (expert crafters etc) detachment is a Ynnari one, but has a "Tax" of having Yvraine.

This gives me Yvraine throwing out mortal wounds, and healing the wraithblades (which is a nice combo), and gives the Wraithseer a lot of additional defence. But means it can't snipe anymore. Might mean the D-Cannon is no longer worthwhile... thought also means the D-Cannon is more likely to survive shooting the whole match, so it's a tough call.

Edit: I even have the points to put in the Yncarne instead of Yvraine... but that may be a bad idea, as it leaves me with 53 points, which isnt enough for... anything useful really.

The rangers don't benefit from Ynnari at all, but getting them to dish out mortals on a 5+ is still interesting.

Thinking the Ynnari is going to work out better than the craftworlds?


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 Argive wrote:
I think at 1k pts the wraith-seer going to be hard to shift.
Id hide him and for any AT stuff before bringing him into center board. Without things like fortune or ynnari rules the wraithseer is quite squishy despite his stat line I think. But you can heal him up so its something..

Don't think you can heal the wraithseer anymore... bonesingers have been taken out the back of the woodshed.

Niiru wrote:

 Sarigar wrote:
I think the Patrol detachment is better suited as Ynarri as there are stratagems, relics, and the basic Ynarri rules that would benefit the Wraithseer and Wraithblades. The Rangers are a bit lackluster to shoot with, but can utilize to aid in securing primary and secondary objectives.

I have an alternative version, which is basically the exact same but the Craftworld (expert crafters etc) detachment is a Ynnari one, but has a "Tax" of having Yvraine.

This gives me Yvraine throwing out mortal wounds, and healing the wraithblades (which is a nice combo), and gives the Wraithseer a lot of additional defence. But means it can't snipe anymore. Might mean the D-Cannon is no longer worthwhile... thought also means the D-Cannon is more likely to survive shooting the whole match, so it's a tough call.

Edit: I even have the points to put in the Yncarne instead of Yvraine... but that may be a bad idea, as it leaves me with 53 points, which isnt enough for... anything useful really.

The rangers don't benefit from Ynnari at all, but getting them to dish out mortals on a 5+ is still interesting.

Thinking the Ynnari is going to work out better than the craftworlds?


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 Argive wrote:
I think at 1k pts the wraith-seer going to be hard to shift.
Id hide him and for any AT stuff before bringing him into center board. Without things like fortune or ynnari rules the wraithseer is quite squishy despite his stat line I think. But you can heal him up so its something..

Don't think you can heal the wraithseer anymore... bonesingers have been taken out the back of the woodshed.

Sarigar raised some very good points.

FWIW I dont think at 40pts the D-cannon is worth it anyway. At 24" range and D3 shots 40pts is a big ask It was a big ask at 35 pts in 8th.
When I did run snipy wraithseers I kitted him with star cannon for a longer range and more reliable shots or just a single BL. Granted you dont ignore LOS.. but you can make it work in your favour as it gives you some board control and deployment advantage forcing their hand to deploy their characters in a certain way.

In my opinion wraithseer really shines with Ynnari. Lost shroud / Lord of rebirth etc. Are just phenomenal on that unit and also he hits on 2+ when SFD which is nice.
Yvraine is a bit of tax, but I think shes on par with a normal farseer as a MW battery. Her inherent +1 makes her fairly reliable.

You can use the CWE Tears of Isha strat on wraith construct for a D3 heal to heal a CWE wraithseer. Its 2CP... But can be just enough to score some crucial VP. Worked much better with bone-singer in tandem. a 2D3 heal is not too shabby.

 Argive wrote:


Sarigar raised some very good points.

FWIW I dont think at 40pts the D-cannon is worth it anyway. At 24" range and D3 shots 40pts is a big ask It was a big ask at 35 pts in 8th.
When I did run snipy wraithseers I kitted him with star cannon for a longer range and more reliable shots or just a single BL. Granted you dont ignore LOS.. but you can make it work in your favour as it gives you some board control and deployment advantage forcing their hand to deploy their characters in a certain way.

I actually had considered changing to a Starcannon or a Brightlance, just to save a few points, but the D-Cannon averages out to 2x brightlances per turn anyway (and sometimes 3) so it seemed worth the points, especially with blast (compared to a brightlance anyway). I'm willing to be proven wrong though, as it would save me 20/25 points!

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You can use the CWE Tears of Isha strat on wraith construct for a D3 heal to heal a CWE wraithseer. Its 2CP... But can be just enough to score some crucial VP. Worked much better with bone-singer in tandem. a 2D3 heal is not too shabby.

Ahh I see, good point, worth keeping in mind if I do stay with Craftworld.

In my opinion wraithseer really shines with Ynnari. Lost shroud / Lord of rebirth etc. Are just phenomenal on that unit and also he hits on 2+ when SFD which is nice.
Yvraine is a bit of tax, but I think shes on par with a normal farseer as a MW battery. Her inherent +1 makes her fairly reliable.

I'm still very tempted. I originally also wanted to add an Avatar to my lists, but it was hard to cram in. In theory, I have the points to add in a Yncarne instead of Yvraine. This would end up with a list of... pretty much all heroes.

Shadowseer
Troupe Master
Death Jester
Death Jester
Solitaire

Wraithseer with Ynnari relic 5+++
The Yncarne
5x Rangers


This leaves me with 138 points to spend on.... I have no idea. Probably a stupid list, but it certainly looks fun. An insane clown posse plus a giant robot and a god. And 5 guys with rifles.

oh the yncarne + Wraithseer tag team sounds savage! DO let me know how it pans out. At 1k pts thats a mean combo.

Im not sure how his teleportation rule works in 9th. Can he now come on T1 ?

I think thats a good list. I would personaly drop the rangers and pick up DA to further save a few points. Give the exarchs glaives and pistols

Im not a harlequin player and got no idea what the harlies pts values are but maybe worth picking up a starweaver(the transport one) for the charcters to sit in / nab objectives and die to spawn the yncarne ?

 Argive wrote:
oh the yncarne + Wraithseer tag team sounds savage! DO let me know how it pans out. At 1k pts thats a mean combo.

Im not sure how his teleportation rule works in 9th. Can he now come on T1 ?

I think thats a good list. I would personaly drop the rangers and pick up DA to further save a few points. Give the exarchs glaives and pistols

Im not a harlequin player and got no idea what the harlies pts values are but maybe worth picking up a starweaver(the transport one) for the charcters to sit in / nab objectives and die to spawn the yncarne ?

Starweaver is 80 pts, so it might fit. Might be worthwhile.

Yncarne... I'd have to check. If you start it off the table, the rule says it can spawn in whenever any unit dies, so I would... assume that turn 1 is fine, as it's not a deepstrike/reinforcement. But it means it's off the table until a whole unit dies (which might be pretty quick, but still). You can just start it on the table moving 8" a turn, and still get a free teleport if something dies.

Troupe Master
Death Jester
Death Jester
Solitaire

Wraithseer
Yncarne
Dire Avengers


This adds up to 747 points. I could add a shadowseer, that leaves me with 125 points. Shadowseer might be an upgrade I get after the 1250 escalation though.

So I have 253 points to spend. Might be enough for a Troupe of fusion pistol players in a starweaver.... Or a big Troupe with Caresses to get teleported into the enemy lines.

what about haywire bikes ?

 Argive wrote:
what about haywire bikes ?

Yeh I'm considering those too, but they're pretty expensive. Not sure how many I'd need to make it worthwhile. Though much the same can be said for Troupe players haha.

With 250pts spare you have a decent core.

Id play around with the remaining pts and see what you seem to be lacking.

I like the idea of fusion drive-by. :0

Another iteration of the list: (Actually ends up at 1000)

Troupe Master with twilight fang
Troupe of 5x players:
- 1x Fusion Pistol + Caress
- 2x Caress
- 2x Embrace
Death Jester (Humbling Cruelty, Cegroach Lament)
Solitaire

The Yncarne (Mortal wounds + Heal)
Wraithseer (Lost Shroud)
Dire Avengers
Wraithblades x5 (Axe+Shield)