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Obviously slight sarcasm in the title, but I do feel that this was a mistake.

The announcement said all full Battle Brothers would be bumped up to two wounds. Well, Scout Sergeants are full Battle Brothers (Black Carapace and everything), they just don Scout Armour to train and lead the newbies. This is also indicated by their 2 attacks and leadership 8, just like Tactical Marine Sergeants.

I mean, it's not like we haven't got sergeants with an extra wound before (see Boss Nobz and Exarchs), so I find it weird that GW wouldn't keep to the fluff and their announcement and make Scout Sergeants 2W as well.

Yeah, this actually bugs me a lot. I was totally planning to convert an enbiggened scout squad with a primaris-sized sergeant, but not any more.

Oh, and another thing... Does this mean Wolf Scouts are only going to be 1W? Despite them being DoublePlusVeterans?

Seems to me that GW are thinking Astartes Power Armour = 2 Wounds

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, this actually bugs me a lot. I was totally planning to convert an enbiggened scout squad with a primaris-sized sergeant, but not any more.

Scout Sergeants don't have a hard and fast rule about what they are.

Some of them are just the longest serving Scout in the squad.

Scouts can sit on the big-boys table when they get models that don't look like barbies' boyfriend.

At this point, I wouldn't take the "vanilla" Scout squad datasheet as a read on how Wolf Scouts will shake out. I would hope GW would remember the "extra Veteran" aspect of the unit, but we'll see.

I'm kinda curious to see if Blood Claws get 2W, though - while they've got all the implants, they're the closest the Wolves have to trainees in their army list.

I'm thinking it might well be deliberately based on the armour and not the brothers' experience, necessarily.

I could point to Centurions, another Marine unit who get extra Wounds purely based on their armour, since we know they're normal Marines inside the Centurion suits.
Then there's the difference between Terminators and Sternguard/Vanguard - again Terminators are going to get a Wounds bump over brothers who are just as veteran as they are.
Lastly there's the bit of fluff that tells us Scouts are actually the same as full Marines physically, they're just still undergoing training - if that's the case, the armour has to be the source of the extra Wound, otherwise if it were supposedly down to having two hearts, etc etc., then normal Scout squad members would get the extra Wound too.

I have to admit, I don't like the implication for what will happen to Wolf Scouts... we'll see I guess...

Is nobody going to talk about the fact that not only are Scout Bolters still 24" but that Shotguns were bumped to 18"?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that not only are Scout Bolters still 24" but that Shotguns were bumped to 18"?

We are, in the other two threads regarding the leaked scout-sheet.

 MinscS2 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that not only are Scout Bolters still 24" but that Shotguns were bumped to 18"?

We are, in the other two threads regarding the leaked scout-sheet.

Aren't the 30" bolters from the veteran datasheet? I'd wager they're actually special issue bolt guns. But I haven't been staying on top of leaks at all

 fraser1191 wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that not only are Scout Bolters still 24" but that Shotguns were bumped to 18"?

We are, in the other two threads regarding the leaked scout-sheet.

Aren't the 30" bolters from the veteran datasheet? I'd wager they're actually special issue bolt guns. But I haven't been staying on top of leaks at all

They have AP- so they wouldn't be special issue.

Probably for the best. Those models are ugly. I also think tacticals should only be 1 wound for the same reason.

I also know a lad who was thinking he has a master plan by spamming scout squads in storms as a cheap way to win the game early on - his 2 wound dreams are shattered.

The boltguns are the same, but scouts havent learned how to shoot at long range, yet They are still practicing. So far, they can only shoot at 24"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that not only are Scout Bolters still 24" but that Shotguns were bumped to 18"?

We are, in the other two threads regarding the leaked scout-sheet.

Aren't the 30" bolters from the veteran datasheet? I'd wager they're actually special issue bolt guns. But I haven't been staying on top of leaks at all

They have AP- so they wouldn't be special issue.

unless GW is changing SIBGs

The true crime here is that God awful looking data sheet. It looks like Fantasy Flight puked all over it.

Sumilidon wrote:
Probably for the best. Those models are ugly. I also think tacticals should only be 1 wound for the same reason.

I also know a lad who was thinking he has a master plan by spamming scout squads in storms as a cheap way to win the game early on - his 2 wound dreams are shattered.

Wut?

Models game mechanics should be driven by the asethic opion of players?

Yeah, I like the way this commissar has a low cut top. Three wounds for her.
Eww. This Chimeria Sculpt is like, twenty years old. They can go down to two wounds, they're probably made of cardboard.

It’s an injustice, but I’d not put it at the worst in 40k history. (If I had to pick one, the nerfing of ShurCats from being better stormbolters to crappy shotguns in the 2-3 switch takes the cake, but I’m still on my first cup of coffee, so might be missing others)

While there is precedent for 2W sarges in squads, I think here the fact that marines are the easy entry flagship army works against them. Keep things simple for little Timmy.

One the bolter front:
Remember, these are simplified get-you-started statlines without the special rules. My personal wild speculation is that with Deathwatch being wrapped into the main codex, SIA is going to be a tidy little special rule packet (with the list of ammo) that they can just hand out. Blanket for DW, but will also be able to sprinkle around in special cases. Like Vets, and hopefully sternguard again.

I think the infiltrator knives had -1 AP, so there is still hope for reivers, even if scouts missed out.

In the history of 40K all my marines only have 1 wound unless they are an HQ choice. but then i don't play 9th so my marines don't suffer from primaris envy.

Now things are going to get weird and explanations seem to be missing.
But there is no ''justice'', not in 40k and not in the world as a whole.

'Explanations seem to be missing' lol. This is in the multilingual assembly instructions for a model kit, how much of a fluff explanation did you expect them to include? Wait for the codex.

Blood Angel Scouts have the Black Carapace as well.

Must be the armour which gives an extra wound as well as the save!

 Nevelon wrote:

One the bolter front:
Remember, these are simplified get-you-started statlines without the special rules. My personal wild speculation is that with Deathwatch being wrapped into the main codex, SIA is going to be a tidy little special rule packet (with the list of ammo) that they can just hand out. Blanket for DW, but will also be able to sprinkle around in special cases. Like Vets, and hopefully sternguard again.

Oh that's a good point. Sure, 30 could be the range for the SI bolter and then there are ammo variants. I forgot that Deathwatch were being folded in the marine book as well.