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A guy i bought some ork boys from said Kommandos had been changed, as of very little time ago, to legend.

Is this correct? According to wahapedia there is an entry for legend kommandos, but also a regular one.


So which is it?! Surely you cant make kommandos Legend and thus unable to be properly used i mean, if you actually collect blood axes its like a slap across the face.

AND they are actually viable in 9th, one of the few units for orks that are.

Have you looked at the books? Kommandos are in Chapter Approved 2020 so are still a legal unit, but some of their weapon options are now under Legends (the heavy weapons).

(EDIT: That sounded harsher than I intended - sorry)

Kommandos are not Legends, merely some of their wargear options (for instance, Burnas).

On a secondary note, they are absolutely incredible now, and a must take if you are a deathskulls player. They solve most of the problems of standard boyz and just cost a single point more for a whole slew of upgrades.

Kommandos are regular units, not legends. However most of their wargear was removed and allowed only in the legend options.

Codex kommandos are just stock now, and if you take the nob he must be equipped with a power klaw. This is the only custom option the unit can have. That's where kommandos currently are.

Legend kommandos can have a couple of burnas/big shootas/rokkit and the nob can be equipped with all the tipycal weapons reserved for nobz, including the 0 points slugga & choppa combination which is forbidden for the codex kommando nob.

I see. Thanks guys.

Are Kommandos better as ranged units or close up units?

Kommandos are boyz, nothing more, with free deep strike ability and min squad capped at 5 dudes, which makes them cheap.

They mostly work to score secondaries that involve putting X units in some specific areas of the battlefield.

Alternatively large squads could work in conjunction with other assault infantry units, they're basically trukk boyz then.

All ranged options for kommandoz have been moved to legends.

 Jidmah wrote:
All ranged options for kommandoz have been moved to legends.

oh so those are the ones that was removed..

thats sad

Beardedragon wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
All ranged options for kommandoz have been moved to legends.

oh so those are the ones that was removed..

thats sad

And also all the wargear on the nob, except the slugga & power klaw combination.

 Blackie wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
All ranged options for kommandoz have been moved to legends.

oh so those are the ones that was removed..

thats sad

And also all the wargear on the nob, except the slugga & power klaw combination.

So.. how am i supposed to hold points with my Kommandos if i cant possibly fire back? i mean screw the slugga. I figured Kommandos were good because they snuck up on points, hopefully removed what was there and could shoot back at enemies with kustom shootas etc and get a sweet juciy defence bonus from the new terrain rules and their own sneaky git rules.

But Kommandos will get the point and then just get shot at?

So its everyone elses job to shoot back if im understanding correctly

You hold points by standing on them. Kommandoz, especially those with the deff skulls kultur, excel suddenly appearing on objectives and standing there, preferably hidden from as much shooting as possible.

Killing power is not a factor, merely the ability to be cheap as chips, deep striking and objective secured infantry matter.

 Jidmah wrote:
You hold points by standing on them. Kommandoz, especially those with the deff skulls kultur, excel suddenly appearing on objectives and standing there, preferably hidden from as much shooting as possible.

Killing power is not a factor, merely the ability to be cheap as chips, deep striking and objective secured infantry matter.

yea.. thats what i feared. i wanted to deepstrike them in and then shoot back at enemies getting close.

thanks

They also get +1 to their armor save in cover, and +1 to wound in cover. Basically just take a slew of units with deathskulls, deep strike them to take objectives all over the map on later turns.

Ironically, objectives cannot be in cover.

 Jidmah wrote:
Ironically, objectives cannot be in cover.

Yep, which defeats the biggest use Kommandos would have.

So we are left with over priced boyz who can't shoot, aren't effective at CC and can't hold an objective due to no staying power and their biggest benefit is blocked from being used on objectives

 Jidmah wrote:
Ironically, objectives cannot be in cover.

I havent played any 9th edition games but explain again to me what use i have for Kommandos then?

If i get none of their sneaky git bonuses i might as well da jump some boys over there instead. at least they can shoot back at enemies.

Kommandos seem like they offer extremely cheap ObSec as well as early game movement blocking. They can also pop up later to score secondaries which could make or break a close game.

Just because they aren't dead 'ard and mega killy doesn't make them bad given their low cost.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
Kommandos seem like they offer extremely cheap ObSec as well as early game movement blocking. They can also pop up later to score secondaries which could make or break a close game.

Just because they aren't dead 'ard and mega killy doesn't make them bad given their low cost.

I agree but it seems unecessary to take away their ranged weapons. I would want kommandos exactly for their ability to be bullet sponges by hitting enemies at range while getting that sweet defensive bonus from sneaky git and terrain

Beardedragon wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Ironically, objectives cannot be in cover.

I havent played any 9th edition games but explain again to me what use i have for Kommandos then?

If i get none of their sneaky git bonuses i might as well da jump some boys over there instead. at least they can shoot back at enemies.

You can still be w/i 3" of an objective and be in cover. You just can't have terrain directly on top of an objective.

Beardedragon wrote:
I agree but it seems unecessary to take away their ranged weapons. I would want kommandos exactly for their ability to be bullet sponges by hitting enemies at range while getting that sweet defensive bonus from sneaky git and terrain

This is very much a no kits = no rules issue and it seems like GW doesn't think a multiweapon kit for Kommandos would sell enough to make the new molds cost-effective. This is business messing up the tabletop.

A unit of boyz is 80 plus weird boy or tellyporta, a unit of kommandoz is 45 and can deep strike on their own. Both are equally dead if looked at funny, but a unit of 5 can hide more easy behind obscuring terrain.

I'm not a fan either, but I do understand why it works. I prefer tellyporting MANz though. More killy.

Beardedragon wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Ironically, objectives cannot be in cover.

I havent played any 9th edition games but explain again to me what use i have for Kommandos then?

If i get none of their sneaky git bonuses i might as well da jump some boys over there instead. at least they can shoot back at enemies.

Kommado 45 pts free deep strike.

Boyz 80 pts and you need either weiredboy(not even quaranteed especially in 9th) or CP to deep strike them.

Kommandos lot better to sneak into enemy deployment zone for whole bunch of secondaries. Engage on all front, linebreaker and deploys scramblers are easy to score with those. Boyz get same for lot higher price and either CP or weirdboy and unreliance of a dice.

 Jidmah wrote:
I prefer tellyporting MANz though. More killy.

And more fun.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I prefer tellyporting MANz though. More killy.

And more fun.

Definitely. There are little things more enjoyable in the game right now than clobbering a unit of primaris with buzzsaws just to have each successful to hit roll basically instantly kill a marine.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
Kommandos seem like they offer extremely cheap ObSec as well as early game movement blocking. They can also pop up later to score secondaries which could make or break a close game.

Just because they aren't dead 'ard and mega killy doesn't make them bad given their low cost.

Only if Deathskullz they get ObjSec.

They may be useful also for granting expendable wounds if a player want to embark 5 Meganobz and one or more characters in a BW as he couldn't use boyz for that role (not enough transport capacity since min squad of boyz or gretchins is 10 models). Or for joining 5 nobz and 1-2 characters in a trukk.


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 Canadian 5th wrote:

This is very much a no kits = no rules issue and it seems like GW doesn't think a multiweapon kit for Kommandos would sell enough to make the new molds cost-effective. This is business messing up the tabletop.

True. Now get rid of all jump pack options from SM HQs since there's no way of getting them outside proxies, kitbashing or conversions.

 Jidmah wrote:
All ranged options for kommandoz have been moved to legends.

Even the sluggas? Ah. Nevermind. You said, "options".

 Blackie wrote:

True. Now get rid of all jump pack options from SM HQs since there's no way of getting them outside proxies, kitbashing or conversions.

Only one that would go away is librarian. Captains and chaplains have jump pack version.

I would be rather upset. I have a Jump Pack Librarian using pegasus wings I would be sad to see go.

Well ask DE and ork players how that feels. That's what the NPC races have to deal with.