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Ugh. Man, that thing was disappointing.

Well to be fair - I didn't say it was a good model ... lol

Those Incubi with cloaks were cool though!

I think when GW shifted from metal to plastic that killed off a lot of the different IG regiments. Unlike Marines who managed to hold onto massive popularity, the Guard never had that same bastion. So back then when plastic was so new and very expensive for GW (not that its got cheaper but GW's resources and technology have improved a lot); it made sense to focus on the plastic range

As metal became harder to work with due to price fluctuations and higher demand for labour as GW was steadily running more and more plastics. The idea of running dozens of different guard regiments as models kind of fell to the side as well.

Heck who knows it might be something GW will resurrect given time.


I also feel that Rough Riders should return ,to me they are one of the iconic models of the army that kind of shows how both futuristic and yet backward insane the IG can be.

I really liked the Vect model...


Also Gaunt got a model, all the ghosts had random metal models from GW for some reason.

One unit which never got a model (and irritated me very much) was Nazdreg Ug Urdgrub...

I mean the Bad Moons Warlord who, in 3E was actually decent at shooting!

A ton of the Badab characters never got models, as well as Marine HQs on Bikes for the longest time (seeing as there is a Chap on a bike on the way...who knows what the future holds?)

 Overread wrote:

I also feel that Rough Riders should return ,to me they are one of the iconic models of the army that kind of shows how both futuristic and yet backward insane the IG can be.

Only way I'd be okay with that is if it became an Auxilia...but truthfully if we have to 'show' that as a concept? The army might as well be scrapped! We have tanks that have huge smoke stacks yet run off of any kind of fuel imaginable.
We have weak weapons that are somehow the most reliable and easy to maintain thanks to their power sources.
We have some of the most awe-inspiring firepower in the Imperium thanks to things like the Deathstrike...which people believe can 'only' operate because of lengthy preparatory prayers and rites.
We have entire trenchlines built with the martyred dead in front of them to lend a layer of blessing and an armour of faith to those within.

I really don't know what a bunch of horse guys adds.

 Slayer6 wrote:
One unit which never got a model (and irritated me very much) was Nazdreg Ug Urdgrub...

I mean the Bad Moons Warlord who, in 3E was actually decent at shooting!

Im pretty sure nazdreg had a model at one point

He did indeed - towards the end of 2nd ed:

Where's all the Ork Warbosses at? Where's my Mega-armored gits, where's my biker bosses at.

 Jidmah wrote:
Mad boyz keep getting mentioned in the lore as boyz who have more affinity to the warp and go insane because of that.

Madboyz had a release all the way back in 2nd Ed.

It's shocking how many Ork models have disappeared before 4th edition.

Ku'Gath

Guess GW never found a way of modelling a Great Unclean One riding round in his own private portable laboratory.

Stalk tanks?

Quite often refered to in lore but actually never got a model release, the closes thing to it is the defieler, and incidentally if you want to build a stalk tank, using a defieler isn't a bad idea.

LP vehicles and transports.
The PDF technically plays a huge part for AM forces, and is often relying upon LP or local patterns to pad their numbers and equipment.
THis can range from Artillery, to transports, to tanks.

for orks i am wondering if GW ever went around to give wazzdakka a propper model?

Exodites, beyond rangers, one would assume that they 'd also have their own formations suited to their planet.

Unaligned daemons, including the daemonic debt collectors for tontines.

 vipoid wrote:

Dark Eldar, where to even begin?

Asdrubael Vect

He actually did have a model back in 3rd edition. It was basically an upgrade (in metal IIRC) to the standard raider's model with the dark eldar boss sitting on it. Edit: never mind, already posted.

3rd edition ork codex had Cyborks as a regular unit (bodyguards for the Painboy, which was an HQ) that never got offical models. I think Skarboyz had official 2nd edition metal models, but I've never seen them.


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 Grimtuff wrote:


3rd ed Nazdreg was quite good. He had an assault plasma cannon and was the only Ork with BS4.

3rd edition Nadzdreg was amazing but both players needed to allow special characters back then. He also gave +1 Heavy Support slot for ork lists.

Not sure it counts cos it was for a Chapter Approved List, but all variants of Kroot that appear in the list, like the Vulture Kroot with wings and the mounted cavalry Kroot. Specifically the Tracker Kindred Cavalry would of been cool because it never mentions what specifically the Kroot are riding, GW could of designed some unique beastie specifically. Doesn't matter though, I made my own in the end!

Fun fact, Vermis on this very forum suggested the Tracker Kindred (though they misspelt his name in WD) conversions for that list.

He did indeed - towards the end of 2nd ed:

I actually think he had two models. That or there was a typo. One of the second ed orks in mega armor was labeled as Nazdreg in the back of one of my old WHite Dwarfs. The blister pack I had for him just said "Bad Moon Warboss" so IDK. GW was a funny thing back then. lol

 Blackie wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dark Eldar, where to even begin?

Asdrubael Vect

He actually did have a model back in 3rd edition. It was basically an upgrade (in metal IIRC) to the standard raider's model with the dark eldar boss sitting on it.

I counted that as being a Dais of Destruction model, rather than a Vect model. Since, unless I'm mistaken, there was no option to take Vect by himself, barring significant conversion work.

Tycho wrote:

He did indeed - towards the end of 2nd ed:

I actually think he had two models. That or there was a typo. One of the second ed orks in mega armor was labeled as Nazdreg in the back of one of my old WHite Dwarfs. The blister pack I had for him just said "Bad Moon Warboss" so IDK. GW was a funny thing back then. lol

This is one of those things where what happened in the Studio became canon later. The Bad Moon Warboss model came first, then Nazdreg started popping up in lore and the 2nd ed Ork Codex - so that model got used as him in a battle report, and then his official model came later.
Not too unlike what happened with Captain Tycho, really.

IG:
special character Bastonne(no official model, though the old metal Mordian Lt is a pretty good substitute)
special character Mogul Kamir(no official model); I did a conversion here with WHFB metallic steed, you can probably use the new Admech metal steed


Veterans(FW official Cadian and Elysian shotgun upgrade kits, though OOP)
Penal Legion(GW Last Chancers, 3rd party Victoria Miniatures)
Vendetta(FW official Vendetta upgrade kit)
Griffon(GW and FW had a kit, both are OOP), obsolete/replaced by the Wyvern
Rough Riders(GW had Attilan and Tallarn kits, both are OOP, FW have DKOK Death Riders), pretty easy and fun conversion project for any IG player

T'au:
Commander Brightsword's Warscaper Drone(no official model); my conversion here:


Drukhari:
special character Lady Malys(no official model, though the Triumverate of Ynnead kit is a good base for the conversion)

assortment of special characters(Baron on skyboard, Mandrake king, Vect etc.) that are relatively easy and fun project for any DE players

The Mordian Lieutenant would be a not great substitute for Bastonne, given that Bastonne was a Cadian and wearing Carapace Armor with a Hellpistol.

This is one of those things where what happened in the Studio became canon later. The Bad Moon Warboss model came first, then Nazdreg started popping up in lore and the 2nd ed Ork Codex - so that model got used as him in a battle report, and then his official model came later.
Not too unlike what happened with Captain Tycho, really.

Thanks! I never knew that! All these years later I thought I was maybe going nuts as I seemed to be the only one aware of the "other Nazdreg"! lol

 vipoid wrote:
I counted that as being a Dais of Destruction model, rather than a Vect model. Since, unless I'm mistaken, there was no option to take Vect by himself, barring significant conversion work.

Vect was a three part piece - body, gun arm, and seated legs. Relatively straightforward to hack one of his gunners in half, though i'm not sure when GW stopped taking orders for individual components.

Big Mac, that Mogul Kamir conversion is incredible! He doesn't really look like an Attilan, though... is the rest of the force meched-up too, or is he a one-off?

 vipoid wrote:
Corsairs:
- Corsair Prince
Dracon
Haemonculus Ancient
Asdrubael Vect
Trueborn (used to use the same models as Kabalites but apparently that doesn't count anymore)
Bloodbrides (used to use the same models as Wyches but apparently that doesn't count anymore)

These all existed.


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ThePorcupine wrote:
There's like a dozen units that the imperial guard codex lost over the past couple editions. Penal legions, a bunch of special characters like Gaunt, Al Raheim, Bastonne, Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, units like rough riders, medusas, colossi, griffons, vendettas.

Not to mention GW discontinuing anything that's not cadian or catachan, eliminating like a half dozen regiments.

We do seem to be getting a mix of responses - some cover units in the background which never got a unit entry; some cover units in a Codex which have seen representation from FW, but not GW; and some cover "units which have existed in the past, but not while I've been playing the game".

I'm not sure on the FW side of things, but I suspect we should be looking at units which:
a, appeared in a Codex;
and b, did not see a model produced by Games Workshop.

There are some options, like DE Dracons, Trueborn & Bloodbrides which are "build the normal kit/character, but slightly differently" without a named kit or dual-build rerelease which fall into a bit of a grey area, though.

Kanluwen wrote:The Mordian Lieutenant would be a not great substitute for Bastonne, given that Bastonne was a Cadian and wearing Carapace Armor with a Hellpistol.

I'm aware he's Cadian and gear, the Mordian Lt model is suitable, officer hat, armor underneath outfit, simple weapon swap from kasrkin sgt's hotlas pistol. Bastonne is one of the easy models to convert: Cadian command longcoat officer body and correct armament and you're set.

Super Ready wrote:Big Mac, that Mogul Kamir conversion is incredible! He doesn't really look like an Attilan, though... is the rest of the force meched-up too, or is he a one-off?

My conversion simply use his rules, but he is attached to my Tallarn RR.



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 Dysartes wrote:
We do seem to be getting a mix of responses - some cover units in the background which never got a unit entry; some cover units in a Codex which have seen representation from FW, but not GW; and some cover "units which have existed in the past, but not while I've been playing the game".

I'm not sure on the FW side of things, but I suspect we should be looking at units which:
a, appeared in a Codex;
and b, did not see a model produced by Games Workshop.

There are some options, like DE Dracons, Trueborn & Bloodbrides which are "build the normal kit/character, but slightly differently" without a named kit or dual-build rerelease which fall into a bit of a grey area, though.

These can be done simply by a head/gear swap, my Trueborn are all with egg heads, Bloodbrides with masks, Dracons are simply Sgts for the regular kabalites, which I put a banner on their backs. These can be simply done when building your force in one go, but can be difficult if you buy a unit at a time as individual kits often come with limited head/gear availability.

 Big Mac wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
There are some options, like DE Dracons, Trueborn & Bloodbrides which are "build the normal kit/character, but slightly differently" without a named kit or dual-build rerelease which fall into a bit of a grey area, though.

These can be done simply by a head/gear swap, my Trueborn are all with egg heads, Bloodbrides with masks, Dracons are simply Sgts for the regular kabalites, which I put a banner on their backs. These can be simply done when building your force in one go, but can be difficult if you buy a unit at a time as individual kits often come with limited head/gear availability.

Yeah, I was meaning a grey area in terms of OP's intent - given that when the DE were first released in 3rd edition, the Dracon and Archon basically shared sculpts, do they count or not?

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Corsairs:
- Corsair Prince
Dracon
Haemonculus Ancient
Asdrubael Vect
Trueborn (used to use the same models as Kabalites but apparently that doesn't count anymore)
Bloodbrides (used to use the same models as Wyches but apparently that doesn't count anymore)

These all existed.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

 vipoid wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Corsairs:
- Corsair Prince
Dracon
Haemonculus Ancient
Asdrubael Vect
Trueborn (used to use the same models as Kabalites but apparently that doesn't count anymore)
Bloodbrides (used to use the same models as Wyches but apparently that doesn't count anymore)

These all existed.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

Replies between you pair get far too confusing...