Units that never got model releases

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**Dysartes**

With the possible exception of the Corsair Prince - as I didn't pay attention to the FW Corsair line - four of five the examples DarknessEternal highlights are cases where one kit or character model could do double duty without modification.

Vect definitely appeared in the Dias of Destruction, but I don't know the DE history well enough to know if he ever had an "on foot" profile.

**Grimtuff**

He had an on foot profile in the 5th ed codex, his dais was a special transport option for him IIRC.

So it depends entirely on which era of Vect he's referring to. 3rd ed Vect absolutely had a model, 5th ed technically did (or using that logic, Grimnar on foot does not have mini either...), you just needed to convert a bit, to make an on foot version, just like literally every WHFB player had done for years for their characters on monsters.

**vipoid**

Dysartes wrote:
With the possible exception of the Corsair Prince - as I didn't pay attention to the FW Corsair line - four of five the examples DarknessEternal highlights are cases where one kit or character model could do double duty without modification.

Ah. I was specifically not counting those cases because it frankly seemed like a cheat.

To me, if two different units can be represented by the exact same model with 0 changes needed, then for all intents and purposes one of those units doesn't have a model of its own.

However, I appreciate that others will disagree with that definition, so if they want to claim 'shared' models as being models for all of the corresponding units, I won't press the matter.

Grimtuff wrote:
He had an on foot profile in the 5th ed codex, his dais was a special transport option for him IIRC.

So it depends entirely on which era of Vect he's referring to. 3rd ed Vect absolutely had a model, 5th ed technically did (or using that logic, Grimnar on foot does not have mini either...), you just needed to convert a bit, to make an on foot version, just like literally every WHFB player had done for years for their characters on monsters.

Ah, but there's an easy way to tell the difference.

Just remember that I'm the handsome one.

Grimtuff wrote:
He had an on foot profile in the 5th ed codex, his dais was a special transport option for him IIRC.

So it depends entirely on which era of Vect he's referring to. 3rd ed Vect absolutely had a model, 5th ed technically did (or using that logic, Grimnar on foot does not have mini either...), you just needed to convert a bit, to make an on foot version, just like literally every WHFB player had done for years for their characters on monsters.

Oh I'm sure that Vect could be converted to a foot model with little difficulty (hell, you could probably have him on an infantry base but still on his throne

). I'd just thought that the OP had been asking specifically about models that didn't need converting (even if it was very simple to do so).

Speaking of conversions, by the way, the Foulspawn model you posted earlier looks fantastic.

**Super Ready**

Dysartes wrote:
Yeah, I was meaning a grey area in terms of OP's intent - given that when the DE were first released in 3rd edition, the Dracon and Archon basically shared sculpts, do they count or not?

Weeeeell, the ORIGINAL intent was for things that never had anything approximately close to an official model. But I've realised since that, with posters popping up that don't have the extensive historical knowledge some of us do, it works just fine as an educational opportunity too.
So, feel free...?

**Overread**

Honestly this thread reminds me of the one good thing that came of the Chapterhouse fiasco - it stopped GW loading codex with "new units" that never got models. It was one thing to see new unit types displayed and imagine what they'd look like, but it was disappointing when you'd reach the end of an edition and perhaps even get a new codex and your "new" models still had not appeared.

Converting is always an option, but its different when it shifts from being an optional element to being mandatory to field some units.

**Dysartes**

Grimtuff wrote:
So it depends entirely on which era of Vect he's referring to. 3rd ed Vect absolutely had a model, 5th ed technically did (or using that logic, Grimnar on foot does not have mini either...), you just needed to convert a bit, to make an on foot version, just like literally every WHFB player had done for years for their characters on monsters.

Eh, Grimnar has had a specific Grimnar-on-foot release (he's in my painting queue), and Sledrider Grimnar doesn't look out of place if taken off his sled - it looks a simple magnet job to have him available in either mode, really.

**Grimtuff**

Dysartes wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
So it depends entirely on which era of Vect he's referring to. 3rd ed Vect absolutely had a model, 5th ed technically did (or using that logic, Grimnar on foot does not have mini either...), you just needed to convert a bit, to make an on foot version, just like literally every WHFB player had done for years for their characters on monsters.

Eh, Grimnar has had a specific Grimnar-on-foot release (he's in my painting queue), and Sledrider Grimnar doesn't look out of place if taken off his sled - it looks a simple magnet job to have him available in either mode, really.

By that I meant people viewing it from the standpoint of the current model (as demonstrated several times ITT with people not knowing a previous incarnation existed

), that superior Grimnar on foot model is in one of my cabinets to the left of me as I type this.

**DarknessEternal**

Dysartes wrote:
With the possible exception of the Corsair Prince - as I didn't pay attention to the FW Corsair line - four of five the examples DarknessEternal highlights are cases where one kit or character model could do double duty without modification.

**Big Mac**

T'au Empire:
Area Denial Node(No official model); my prize winning conversion below, this was before GW came out with the T'au Gunrig terrain.

Spoiler:

**Dysartes**

Here's where I think we're up to, allowing for the following criteria:

A, Model has a unit entry/datasheet in a Codex
B, Models was not produced by GW at any point in their history (as opposed to currently being OOP)
C, Models produced for multiple uses at time of release count for all versions (see: DE Archon/Dracon)

Spoiler:

I still find it weird that, when the SoB 'dex was released in 2nd edition, they didn't actually release either of the SoB special characters, and that they were out-numbered by Ministorum SC in their own book.

**Breton**

Well, technically Captain Invictus never got a model, and still doesn't have one, but he could be pretty easily kit bashed now that Plasma Blaster terminator sergeants are a thing.

Edit to Add: This would be something of a fun idea/thing too. What units got models AFTER they lost rules.

**A.T.**

Breton wrote:
Edit to Add: This would be something of a fun idea/thing too. What units got models AFTER they lost rules.

The sister hospitaller and dialogus:
-Rules released - 2002
-Models released - 2004, but rules removed as they were used to pad out the inquisition henchmen.
-Rules re-released - August 2011
-Rules re-discontinued - October 2011 (codex was only sold for two months)
-Rules re-re-released - October 2013 (ongoing)
-Models discontinued - March 2016
-New models released - Late 2019-Early 2020

**Big Mac**

Dysartes wrote:
Here's where I think we're up to, allowing for the following criteria:

A, Model has a unit entry/datasheet in a Codex
B, Models was not produced by GW at any point in their history (as opposed to currently being OOP)
C, Models produced for multiple uses at time of release count for all versions (see: DE Archon/Dracon)

Spoiler:

Chaos (inc. all subfactions)
- Noise Marine Terminators
- N'Kari
- M'Kachen
- Doombreed
- Foulspawn
- Ku'gath Plaguefather

Dark Eldar
- Archon with Jetbike
- Archon with Skyboard
- Haemonculus with Jetbike
- Haemonculus with Skyboard
- Asdrubael Vect (on foot)
- Kheradruakh the Decapitator
- Lady Malys
- Baron Sathonyx
- Duke Sliscus

Eldar
- Exodite Dragon Knights
- Iyanna Arienal
- Nuadhu "Fireheart"

Genestealer Cult
- Cult limo

Imperial Guard
- Vendetta
- Lukas Bastonne
- Mogul Kamir
- Stumper Muckstart
- Rough Riders with special weapons
- A selection of metal regiment IG special/heavy weapon combinations, such as Praetorians with Plasma Guns or Vostroyans with Meltaguns

Inquisition
- Inquisitor Valeria

Orks
- Wazdakka Gutsmek
- Old Zogwort
- Warboss on bike
- Warboss in mega-armour

Sisters of Battle
- Cardinal Armandus Helfire
- Helena the Virtuous
- Saint Praxedes

Space Marines (all books)
- Sergeant Lysander (IF)
- Ancient Helveticus (Ultra)
- Captain Invictus (Ultra)
- Wolf Guard Ranulf (SW)
- Wolf Guard Durfast of Mordrak (SW)
- Wolf Lord Kyrl Grimblood (SW)
- Moriar the Chosen (BA)
- Veteran Sergeant Cleutin (BA)
- Sapphon, Grand Master of Chaplains (DA)
- Grand Master Mordrak (GK)
- Justicar Thrawn (GK)

Tau
- Warscaper Drone (?)
- Area Denial Node (?)

Tyranids
- Parasite of Mortex
- Doom of Malantai
- Shrieks

I still find it weird that, when the SoB 'dex was released in 2nd edition, they didn't actually release either of the SoB special characters, and that they were out-numbered by Ministorum SC in their own book.

Add: T'au Gue'vesa Auxiliary(have rules in one of the editions, easy to convert as their just IG with tau bits and weaponry as special weapons)
Minus: Vendetta(FW have a upgrade kit for the Valkyrie)

Spoiler:

**Dysartes**

Criteria B would mean that a FW release doesn't fill a gap in a Codex.

Which 'dex actually had the Gue'vesa Auxilary unit in it?

**Big Mac**

Dysartes wrote:
Criteria B would mean that a FW release doesn't fill a gap in a Codex.

Which 'dex actually had the Gue'vesa Auxilary unit in it?

It was either a WD or a FW book. (Unit 6-12, 4+ AS, every 6 man can have a pulse rifle or carbine, rest lasgun, sgt can have markerlight)That reminds me:
Add: Ork- Gun Wagon, rules released in a WD.