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So weapon updates. No nid or ork updates. = no 12 flamer?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/05/codex-updates-wargear-profiles-and-rules/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40K&utm_content=40kfaq0502020&fbclid=IwAR1Z3y-oKX2G_bJOi93R48VlTBbChvu62TCIqdSvn3TXmNmLs3sWcyhsRPs

AdMech also have similar issues - a lot of weapons only differe slightly from marines but these seem to have been missed. e.g. cognis weapons. they even have servo-arms which lost the -1 to hit in the marines codex, but nowhere else.

as far as I can see they have not updated CSM profiles with the extra wound either yet?

This is a feature, not a bug.

Play Marines or GTFO.

Wounds updates were never coming until the new codex.

The original post stated that weapon updates are only ones that exactly match the ones in the marines codex. If it's even slightly different, you have to wait till your codex.

The current post makes it sound like they were updating all flamers/plasma/melta, but I think it is just a case of GW's right hand not knowing what it's left hand is doing.

Looking at the changes, the only changes that were made were to weapons that are in the space marine codex, to relics that replaced those weapons, and to plasma generally to explode on unmodified 1s instead of 1s.

gak update

Stubbers still Heavy 3 despite marines having theirs Heavy 4 with added AP -1 (why the feth were the stubbers increased in first place then?)

Astartes shotgun has 18" range whilst other shotguns still 12"

why tf is a reaper autocannon now Ap-2 and the normal autocannon can go feth itself compared to the heavy bolter?

Autocannon have 12" morw range and are S7, so good vs airplaines?

Twin heavy bolter is S6, heavy bolter is S5. Plasma pistol blows up on hit roll of 1, cannon and gun on unmodified hit rolls of 1

 Niiai wrote:
Autocannon have 12" morw range and are S7, so good vs airplaines?

on the new smaller tables?
I mean, yea okay but still, an additional AP is nothing to sneeze at and yet the more clunky and heavier Autocannon has gotten nothing in exchange aswell to the uplifting of the heavy bolter and is now by virtue of that worse then the heavy bolter against most things?

Pleased they have done and alot of updates for alot of factions rather than just not bothering.

So now lighting claws reroll ALL wounds instead of just fails? I knew about the extra attack, but, hell yeah, warp talons, meet VOTLW. Of course they forgot to add that to Claws of The Black Hunt in its update.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Pleased they have done and alot of updates for alot of factions rather than just not bothering.

Saddly they haven't actually for a lot of factions when you read the PDF it's often 1 weapon and all that has been changed is MW on hit roll of 1 is now unmodified rolls of 1 thanks GW that really makes a massive difference.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So now lighting claws reroll ALL wounds instead of just fails?

You've both misread the rule, and missed understanding of how attacks work. In 9th ed, even when speed rolling, all attacks are assumed to happen one-by-one from a rules perspective.
Also, note that the lightning claw states you "can" reroll the wound roll - you're not forced to.

Well Blood Angels got load of updates, including all the dreadnoughts!

And proper profile for Death Company Intercessors.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So now lighting claws reroll ALL wounds instead of just fails?

You've both misread the rule, and missed understanding of how attacks work. In 9th ed, even when speed rolling, all attacks are assumed to happen one-by-one from a rules perspective.
Also, note that the lightning claw states you "can" reroll the wound roll - you're not forced to.

No, he means that a warp talon attacking with a -1 to wound wouldn't reroll the natural (whatever is required to wound before the modifier)'s before. Now it can.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So now lighting claws reroll ALL wounds instead of just fails?

You've both misread the rule, and missed understanding of how attacks work. In 9th ed, even when speed rolling, all attacks are assumed to happen one-by-one from a rules perspective.
Also, note that the lightning claw states you "can" reroll the wound roll - you're not forced to.

No kidding. This means you reroll all wounds, not just fails. Modifiers don't count. Thank you, Captain Pedantic.

Deathwing (Inner Circle) terminators all have permanent transhuman physiology haaaaaaaaaa <3

 Drachii wrote:
Deathwing (Inner Circle) terminators all have permanent transhuman physiology haaaaaaaaaa <3

So we are getting Ironhands 2.0 well done GW.

So are they waiting a day to update weapons for fw units? My Achilles wants it's 8 melta shots now please, and my Fellblade needs its D2 twin heavy bolter, they've both already paid for them. And give my Contemptor his D2d3/D6 against vehicles chainclaws already!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So are they waiting a day to update weapons for fw units? My Achilles wants it's 8 melta shots now please, and my Fellblade needs its D2 twin heavy bolter, they've both already paid for them. And give my Contemptor his D2d3/D6 against vehicles chainclaws already!

Saddly I suspect they will be ignored untill the new index is released.

Ice_can wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So are they waiting a day to update weapons for fw units? My Achilles wants it's 8 melta shots now please, and my Fellblade needs its D2 twin heavy bolter, they've both already paid for them. And give my Contemptor his D2d3/D6 against vehicles chainclaws already!

Saddly I suspect they will be ignored untill the new index is released.

They didn't with all the other erratas. They were all late though. Fw is always an afterthought.

GW also forgot about Black Legion & Renegade Chapters. Can you still not use Black Legion in tournament games since vigilus is no go in that?

Sotahullu wrote:
Well Blood Angels got load of updates, including all the dreadnoughts!

And proper profile for Death Company Intercessors.

Including some hilarious counter assault shenanigans - like give Sanguinor the ba warlord trait to combo with Miraculous Saviour... (Which, being a datasheet ability and not a strat means it can't be Vect'd, etc)

No Core keyword on any of the ba unique Dread variants though, which is a pity.

Dante feels much closer to what he should be as Regent of the Imperium Nihilus.

Ice_can wrote:

 Drachii wrote:
Deathwing (Inner Circle) terminators all have permanent transhuman physiology haaaaaaaaaa <3

So we are getting Ironhands 2.0 well done GW.

Yeah one of the notable things about Deathwing units is how cheap and spammable they are.

 Drachii wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Drachii wrote:
Deathwing (Inner Circle) terminators all have permanent transhuman physiology haaaaaaaaaa <3

So we are getting Ironhands 2.0 well done GW.

Yeah one of the notable things about Deathwing units is how cheap and spammable they are.

Who need cheap when you can make them unkillable, 1+,4++, 6+++ only wounded on a 4,5,6 and that apocothory giving you that 6+++, can heal 3w twice per turn and res 1 model with full wounds.

Shooting Deathwing is going to be like throwing peas at a battlebarge.

I also can’t see where CSM get 2 wounds like old marines do. Am I wrong in assuming they would get this?

So glad my Ultras can fall back and shoot...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

No kidding. This means you reroll all wounds, not just fails. Modifiers don't count. Thank you, Captain Pedantic.

Ah, I see what you mean now! My apologies.

mrFickle wrote:
I also can’t see where CSM get 2 wounds like old marines do. Am I wrong in assuming they would get this?

I believe it was mentioned in the community article that they'd get it too, but if it isn't in this update, it might well only come along with the Codex.

 Drachii wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Drachii wrote:
Deathwing (Inner Circle) terminators all have permanent transhuman physiology haaaaaaaaaa <3

So we are getting Ironhands 2.0 well done GW.

Yeah one of the notable things about Deathwing units is how cheap and spammable they are.

Keep in mind, even if you keep them with default weapons, you have to pay for the power fists since they have a listed point value. So a basic 5 man squad is 33 (for the sergeant and his powersword) + 4 x 38. 185 total.
That's actually up from the 175 in CA2020

TH/SS only goes from 42/model to 43/model though, as storm shields are free (for terminator units).

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By comparison, in the new SM Codex, a normal terminator squad is 38/model. (No power sword discount)
Assault terminators are 33, or 43 for TH/SS.

DA are getting huge rules benefits on their terminators for no cost.

Did the Necron get improved weapons as well? Can we expect improvents for qeapons that saw no or little play in every codex that comes?