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So basically with Ultramarines being boring generic jack of all trades "greatest of them all" boring guys, I was wondering if any of their successor chapters would happen to be at least interesting and seem to have some character to them? Or at the very least not act like Ultramarines.

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I imagine ultramarines successors to be called things like the emperors accountants or the uncivil servants
   
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You realise the Ultramarines have claimed sucessor chapters that arn't actually Ultramarines.
Also as much as everyone loves to rag on them they have the most rediculously long list of successor chapter's.

I'd have to go find the old codex's to find the list butif you want odd balls, sliver skulls, howling griffons (I think) the badab war book from FW also might give you some idea's.
   
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The Fire Hawks (https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Hawks), even if the Ultramarines deny that.

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The Mortifactors!

The feature I’m on if Graham McNiel’s Aurora Ventris books. They are an Ultramarine successor chapter that are really quite morbid and gothic in their rituals and rites. Skulls feature in their rites and even armour if I recall correctly and they often drink each other’s blood before combat to better share and understand each other or some such.

CertInly not your “bland” Ultramarines. In fact Ventris was Initially appalled by them due to their apparent deviation from the Codex Astartes.

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there are TONS.

noted examples that might be intreasting to you (because they're NOTHING like the Ultramarines)

- Emperor's Spears
- Iron Snakes (they aren't even codex adherant)
- The Mentors
- the Auroa Chapter (all about them tanks)
- Howling Griffons.

the ultramarines make up 60% of the sucessor chapters existant in the Imperium. they have the MOST varity among sucessor chapters. not the least

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It's really a bad meme that Ultramarine successors are boring, or that successors are carbon copies of their progenitors. Especially with the Ultramarine successors, their relationship with the codex, with Guilliman, with normal humans, or with a particular Imperial institution can all be wildly different.

For examples of some varied successors I'd recommend the following:

Emperor's Spears
Doom Eagles
Mortifactors
Howling Griffons
Iron Snakes
Fire Angels
Marines Errant
   
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 BigOws wrote:
The Mortifactors!

The feature I’m on if Graham McNiel’s Aurora Ventris books. They are an Ultramarine successor chapter that are really quite morbid and gothic in their rituals and rites. Skulls feature in their rites and even armour if I recall correctly and they often drink each other’s blood before combat to better share and understand each other or some such.

CertInly not your “bland” Ultramarines. In fact Ventris was Initially appalled by them due to their apparent deviation from the Codex Astartes.

Yeah, if I remember right, they have some giant chapel where they keep the skull of the dead members of their chapter. And the skulls of guys they killed. Lots of morbid rituals... Those guys were fun!
   
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The Silver Skulls were the first ones to spring to mind. They mostly follow the Codex structure, but are very superstitious in terms of reading portents and premonitions from their Librarians, and won't take to the battlefield without arcane signs of victory.

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Emperor's Spears. Ancient Celts in Space (with a tiny hint from different pacific islander groups), kinda-sorta follow the codex, got into a spat with the Aurora Chapter and pay "fealty" by dumping water and a foul tasting sea serpent on their Fortress Monastery (or at least that's how I interpret it). Also aware of, and tired of, the Inquisition's with the Celestial Lions.

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 Super Ready wrote:
The Silver Skulls were the first ones to spring to mind. They mostly follow the Codex structure, but are very superstitious in terms of reading portents and premonitions from their Librarians, and won't take to the battlefield without arcane signs of victory.


True, but they're one of the cases of 'Totally Ultramarines honest' - there are a few Ultramarine successors that are probably nothing of the sort - in their case the loyalist Iron Warriors led by Dantioch.

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locarno24 wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
The Silver Skulls were the first ones to spring to mind. They mostly follow the Codex structure, but are very superstitious in terms of reading portents and premonitions from their Librarians, and won't take to the battlefield without arcane signs of victory.


True, but they're one of the cases of 'Totally Ultramarines honest' - there are a few Ultramarine successors that are probably nothing of the sort - in their case the loyalist Iron Warriors led by Dantioch.


That sounds like bad fanfic. Where does that come from?

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locarno24 wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
The Silver Skulls were the first ones to spring to mind. They mostly follow the Codex structure, but are very superstitious in terms of reading portents and premonitions from their Librarians, and won't take to the battlefield without arcane signs of victory.


True, but they're one of the cases of 'Totally Ultramarines honest' - there are a few Ultramarine successors that are probably nothing of the sort - in their case the loyalist Iron Warriors led by Dantioch.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Sarah Cawkwell did say that while she wanted to push the Iron Warriors connections, higher-ups and novels with more focus pushed it aside in favor of traditional Ultramarines.
   
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IIRC, Dantioch's loyalist Iron Warriors all died long before the end of the Horus Heresy. The Silver Skulls' heraldry was probably just Guilliman giving a quiet tribute to Dantioch after the Heresy was over. Their chapter symbol is most likely meant to be Dantioch's mask rather than the Iron Warrior legion symbol.

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 Duskweaver wrote:
IIRC, Dantioch's loyalist Iron Warriors all died long before the end of the Horus Heresy. The Silver Skulls' heraldry was probably just Guilliman giving a quiet tribute to Dantioch after the Heresy was over. Their chapter symbol is most likely meant to be Dantioch's mask rather than the Iron Warrior legion symbol.


If there were any LIW left what’s probably more realistic is a LIW leadership cadre with former UM legionnaires making up the bulk of the 1,000. So there may well be some IW gene seed in there, but it’d mostly be UM.

Bit of a side discussion - a complete set of organs is grown from each progenoid, but it’s not totally clear with gene seed if you definitely get implanted a complete ‘serial numbered set’ from the same progenoid, or if they can implant organs grown from a mix of sources. Would make sense if they could as if one organ got damaged you wouldn’t have to write off the whole set, but IIRC it’s not laid down either way.

If you can mix and match it would mean you may have chapters with some truly blended geneseed, e.g. silver skulls if they did have some IW component when founded everyone would have a UM/IW mix rather than individuals having one or the other; and potentially others if the I/XI marines being incorporated into the UM legion rumour is correct.

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jareddm wrote:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Sarah Cawkwell did say that while she wanted to push the Iron Warriors connections, higher-ups and novels with more focus pushed it aside in favor of traditional Ultramarines.

I don't know about "sadly"... I find Black Library lore to be on shaky ground anyway, and I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of a writer taking a previous writer's creation (even if it's technically company property) and completely subverting it. Better to make your own creation to do it with.
Of course, I'm aware that this happens in comics, like, all the time...!

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Thought I'd add a couple of relevant tidbits from the new Codex. I don't think any of this is new news, just thought it'd be good to see the absolute latest official text:

...others are Successor Chapters, brotherhoods who can claim genetic descent from the nine loyal Primarchs.
Say what? Confirmed all Chapters are from loyal Primarchs only?! Wow, that's an upset, I didn't thi-
Records of the Foundings are frustratingly incomplete. ...Others have been destroyed deliberately... ...Prying Inquisitors scouring Adeptus Mechanicus records in secret have discovered ominous gaps in the data trail that reek of tampering and falsification.
...oh. Never mind.

Despite every effort to maintain the purity of gene-seed, quality levels vary between the Space Marine Chapters. The Ultramarines' is highly regarded, a source of pride to the great number of Adeptus Astartes Chapters that can trace their lineage to Roboute Guilliman.

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