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 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's two more sprues to see.


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 Esmer wrote:
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a Plasma or Melta gun equivalent of any kind.

Why would there be? These aren't budget GW knockoffs.

Wouldn't hurt to kill two birds with one stone, wouldn't it? (Actually on second thought, that probably would hurt a lot)

I mean WGA isn't officially 40k-tied either, but their kits just so happen to include 40k-compatible special weapons.

Body- and armor-wise, the Troopers look like good Tempestus Scions-stand ins.

"alternative 40k imperial guard figures" has become a quite crowded market tbh. But hey, if the only thing stopping you using these for that is a couple of particular guns, conversions are a thing. Personally, 40k foot guard are basically irrelevant at this point anyway aren't they? Prefer they focus on making really good Stargrave kits than compromising that to make them sort of fit for 40k

But WGA are budget proxies. They don't have a ruleset of their own. North Star plastics have always stood on their own so far.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's two more sprues to see.

Yes, but this is the sprue that makes the guys who carry the flame thrower and grenade launcher. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to include those weapons on one of the other sprues, particularly when they're being sold separately.

I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

I have so many parts lying around from different sources that mixing them with the troopers would seem like a nice idea, but I haven't seen comparisons of the frostgrave models with stuff I actually own so I am not sure how well they scale.

Still, if they are on the small side, things like Einherjar might work if nothing else.

I am thinking that mixing a box of the stargrave stuff with frostgrave could certainly make some interesting conversions, like the gnolls shown before and it might be easier to get outside of the UK than the current conversion kit for cultists.

I really don't play so rules are not of interest to me but the models are always a nice thing to work on

 GreenScorpion wrote:
I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

WGA skeletons are bigger than Oathmark/Frostgrave minis so I think that their other minis are bigger than Frostgrave/Stargrave ones.

 GreenScorpion wrote:
I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

I have so many parts lying around from different sources that mixing them with the troopers would seem like a nice idea, but I haven't seen comparisons of the frostgrave models with stuff I actually own so I am not sure how well they scale.

What would the "stuff you actually own" be? I've got some Frostgrave and other things lying around, so might be able to provide a scale comparison of use.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:
I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

WGA skeletons are bigger than Oathmark/Frostgrave minis so I think that their other minis are bigger than Frostgrave/Stargrave ones.

Hmmm, I found this comparison of a WGA skeleton to a WGA Raumjäger and I think it might just be the skeletons that are abnormally large.


Hopefully they end up being similar scale because that'd mean they should also play nicely with Maelstroms Edge and 3rd party 40k bits as well.

Even if they're slightly smaller, they should be close enough, and mixing and matching that way gives you people of varying heights, which is always nice.


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 Jack Flask wrote:

Hmmm, I found this comparison of a WGA skeleton to a WGA Raumjäger and I think it might just be the skeletons that are abnormally large.

The skeleton in that pic has some extra height from his integral base, and the Raumjager have a real hunched, head drawn in on the neck sort of pose. One you account for those, the skeletons aren't that large.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:
I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

I have so many parts lying around from different sources that mixing them with the troopers would seem like a nice idea, but I haven't seen comparisons of the frostgrave models with stuff I actually own so I am not sure how well they scale.

What would the "stuff you actually own" be? I've got some Frostgrave and other things lying around, so might be able to provide a scale comparison of use.

I have GW guardsmen and poxwalkers, Raumjagers, Grognards, Einherjar, Afghans, Chaos Marauders, some beastmen, WW1 Germans, mantic plague zombies and 3rd generation mutants, also perry miniatures. A comparison to any of these would be useful


As an overall note, even if they are on the small side, Einherjar would likely fit, as they are more 25mm scaled than 28mm, which should be ok. I am also more worried about size of fitting parts than actual height, as people are not all the same size in real life.

Hmm, I have loads of Plague 3rd gens..
Could be a good mix with these..

Does anyone know when we can order the trooper lads?

 Stevefamine wrote:
Does anyone know when we can order the trooper lads?

They are taking orders from the 5th of April. The release is 29th of April.

 GreenScorpion wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 GreenScorpion wrote:
I was actually wondering if the frostgrave/stargrave stuff is close to something like Wargames Atlantic height or if they are smaller like other 28mm stuff.

I have so many parts lying around from different sources that mixing them with the troopers would seem like a nice idea, but I haven't seen comparisons of the frostgrave models with stuff I actually own so I am not sure how well they scale.

What would the "stuff you actually own" be? I've got some Frostgrave and other things lying around, so might be able to provide a scale comparison of use.

I have GW guardsmen and poxwalkers, Raumjagers, Grognards, Einherjar, Afghans, Chaos Marauders, some beastmen, WW1 Germans, mantic plague zombies and 3rd generation mutants, also perry miniatures. A comparison to any of these would be useful

Alrighty, closest I can muster:


From left to right: Perry Hundred Years' War, Frostgrave Ghost Archipelago crewman, GW Warcry Splintered Fang (with Marauder horseman head), 2nd FG GA crewman, and a bonus Victrix Greek slinger.
Middle figure obviously somewhat off the ground, rightmost had an integral base too.
Sizewise not a bad match for several other ranges including certain historicals; proportions of heads and especially weapons certainly more heroic than e.g. Perry (though kitbashing isn't out of the question).

Thanks Coenus Scaldingus
It seems like they should be roughly in line with the Einherjar from Wargames Atlantic, so a bit closer to 25mm as it seems, but also heroic in proportions.
The torsos seem wide enough that arms from 28mm should still fit similarly so that should be fine.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
Does anyone know when we can order the trooper lads?

They are taking orders from the 5th of April. The release is 29th of April.

MuahahhahahahAHAAHHAA

He looks like a dwarf compared to Gw.
Is he meant to be normal human height?

So they’re heroic but smaller scale basically?

Danny76 wrote:
He looks like a dwarf compared to Gw.

Just about everything looks like a dwarf against GW's current scaling.

This is true.

They're not too far off older WHFB minis; will get a pic tomorrow if I remember...

Sounds good.

Looking forward to seeing the two sprues from the other kits.
They look to have a bit more in the way of alien heads etc.

What sort of numbers did we say you’d be using in this?
One box of each seems quite a lot..

Danny76 wrote:

One box of each seems quite a lot..

That's what friends are for. Buy three three boxes and get half each.

Yeah I was considering buying a box and swapping half with someone on here or ott.
No one in my group or local is interested I don’t think.

Ideally you probably want just 1/4 of each box for your team and maybe the rest of the Trooper box for enemy mooks but you always get way too many sprues in -grave product.

IIRC they offered a single sprue deal in the past, 1 each of the female wizards and soldiers.

They might do the same.

Couple of UK sellers on eBay sell most of Northstar and Wargames Atlantic sprues as singles. You pay a slight premium but quite handy for checking out sprues before you go all in.

Danny76 wrote:Sounds good.

Looking forward to seeing the two sprues from the other kits.
They look to have a bit more in the way of alien heads etc.

What sort of numbers did we say you’d be using in this?
One box of each seems quite a lot..

Now that they have 3 different sets on offer from the start, a full one of each certainly seems superfluous. A single 20-figure box for Frostgrave was always basically fine as that could more or less give you everything you ever needed for a warband (kitbash something or buy separate figures for the wizard and apprentice, then have about 8-12 basic troopers for the early campaign - or if things go badly! - and 8-12 more elite troops of various types for later in the campaign). This looks very similar, so about 20 figures in total could suffice.

That said, if you'd want several models for each soldier type, you could probably even have 40 models just for one warband of course (so you can play with several flamethrowers in one game, and specialize into snipers another time). In Frostgrave, I'd normally just build 1-2 of "most" soldier types though, ignoring some similar options (crossbowman if having archers, knights or barbarians if having templars) based on whatever theme my warband had (no crossbows for Vikings for example). Of course, having 2 full boxes then gives you 2 more diverse warbands with some options (maybe exactly 4 complete starter warbands if you build cleverly?), which can be great for introductory games...



And the promised size comparison picture with older Citadel figures. Oldest infantry I have lying around were these Dogs of War - 1999ish I think; 5th edition WHFB?


Left to right: Republican Guard, Frostgrave, Leopard Company, Frostgrave, Marksman of Miragliano.

Frostgrave models maybe slightly chunkier in build, but could easily swap hands or heads around, and certainly use them alongside one another without any issue. (Surprised by how close they are actually!)

Yeah much more in line there.

Well it seems I’ll put the call out now for anyone UK who wants half a box of Mercenaries for half a box of Ship crew, or vice versa.
I’m down to do a swap if someone’s buying one box

With the mention of the second box of each of those, it’s even harder as there could be odd sculpts in each box you like.
(All this for a game no one plays here potentially. But I suppose then I can build up two lots and try to convince people..)

Danny76 wrote:
Yeah much more in line there.

Well it seems I’ll put the call out now for anyone UK who wants half a box of Mercenaries for half a box of Ship crew, or vice versa.
I’m down to do a swap if someone’s buying one box

With the mention of the second box of each of those, it’s even harder as there could be odd sculpts in each box you like.
(All this for a game no one plays here potentially. But I suppose then I can build up two lots and try to convince people..)

Try eBay; I've seen a number of sprue sellers, mostly on your side of the Pond. Although I bought from a US-based seller, and wrote him about Stargrave. He said he''s working on getting a supplier for Northstar Plastics. If it works out, I can get a one-off Trooper sprue; the Crew and Mercs sets interest me more so I'll get a box of each.

As pointed out previously, that's overkill, but I like variety, and I may try to do themed crews like I did with Frostgrave. I bought some of the Northstar metal wizards, and built themed warbands. The Witch got a Mongol themed warband, the Summoner with the obvious Arabic influence has an Arabic warband (bought historical plastics from a sprue seller, and a few Reaper and Dark Sword metals for the specialists). Not sure what I'll do for the Chronomancer, but since I'm planning on painting the official one blue [all Magic players know that Blue is the color of Time], it will keep to the Blue Magic theme.

I did buy some bits to make Firefly Browncoats, so that is one themed crew once I finish them. Even have a not-Malcolm, not-Zoe, not-Jayne, and not-River from Sedition Wars, so there's the Captain and First Mate, and two specialists. "You don't get over serenity valley; you just learn to live there."

Chronomancer warband must obviously be a mixture of different era figures. Please post pics once you're done