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 Super Ready wrote:
I was still on the fence about intent - because while drop pods could do this back in 5th and ever since, there were multiple other options for Deep Striking on turn 1 too - and all of them have been killed off by the rules, in what felt like a very clear statement of intent about turn 1 reserves, apart from drop pods. I never saw a reason for them to be special over, say, teleporting or jump packing in.

However, this:

Confirmed by designer commentary during twitch streams during the edition change

Would change my mind. Is this commentary available outside of Twitch anywhere, for those of us without Warhammer TV?

Honestly, not sure, it should be in the twitch backlog.

I think the most telling part that it is intentional is that for about 3 months drop pods could NOT deepstrike turn one and was specifically errated to be able to.
Drop pod assault rule got errated about 4 or 5 times all together in order to make sure they continued to get to drop turn 1.

First to ignore the tactical reserves rule (this was the rule introduced halfway through 8th that stopped everything else from getting the turn 1 drop) then it changed a few times so that you still had to listen to the restriction on landing by turn 3. Then clarified that it didnt count towards half your army still. Then finally as 9th came out it specifically ignored mission rule restrictions... drop pod assault has very different language then any other reinforcements by allowing it to ignore mission rules, even things that work similarly to a drop pod. the intent for the drop pod to be a rule exception has been quite clear,,,, except for the 3 months where it was restricted like everything else XD.

Very good points. I can easily believe GW not learning the lesson from last edition, it's clear from the responses here that it still feels muddy, so I'm guessing we'll see it probably appear in the very first Marine Codex FAQ, then.

Nah.. Marines will continue to be the only faction to have T1 DS as well as infiltrate. Because rules writers at GW believe its the only army that should have top tier rules..

 Argive wrote:
Nah.. Marines will continue to be the only faction to have T1 DS as well as infiltrate. Because rules writers at GW believe its the only army that should have top tier rules..

It used to be that Marines were everyones whipping boys, so, after 7.5 editions maybe they can be on top for once,,,,, but I prefer them the way they were :p

 Niiai wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Please tell me you are asking this for tournament play only, because this is obviously WAAC levels of TFG.

You are stating something that is not true as obvius. I find your lack of phrasing disturbing.

Not only is it allowed in the current rules. It was spesificly allowed in 8.0 and 8.5 after the reserve rules got tightened up a lot. It is just a contonuation of how the rules worked in 8th edition. The phrasing has to change because the rules in 9th edition preventing this has changed how they are phrased.

I'm going to not respond to your weird intonation of Vader for some reason, and just respond with the fact that showing up to a FLGS with an All Ironhands FW Dreadnaught list was indeed legal and allowable, but it was also kinda a jerk move. You are possibly trying to use a admittedly legal rule, in an extremely casual environment, meant entirely for fun, learning, and hobby growth. It just WAAC. If you don't understand WAAC, I don't want to lecture on it, and I won't. But don't pretend like using this rule is somehow in the pursuit of a fun and fair game with casual opponents.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Niiai wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Please tell me you are asking this for tournament play only, because this is obviously WAAC levels of TFG.

You are stating something that is not true as obvius. I find your lack of phrasing disturbing.

Not only is it allowed in the current rules. It was spesificly allowed in 8.0 and 8.5 after the reserve rules got tightened up a lot. It is just a contonuation of how the rules worked in 8th edition. The phrasing has to change because the rules in 9th edition preventing this has changed how they are phrased.

I'm going to not respond to your weird intonation of Vader for some reason, and just respond with the fact that showing up to a FLGS with an All Ironhands FW Dreadnaught list was indeed legal and allowable, but it was also kinda a jerk move. You are possibly trying to use a admittedly legal rule, in an extremely casual environment, meant entirely for fun, learning, and hobby growth. It just WAAC. If you don't understand WAAC, I don't want to lecture on it, and I won't. But don't pretend like using this rule is somehow in the pursuit of a fun and fair game with casual opponents.

It sounds like you have more of a problem with the army that he was using than the rule itself, a rule which by itself is fine "in the pursuit of a fun and fair game with casual opponents."

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Niiai wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Please tell me you are asking this for tournament play only, because this is obviously WAAC levels of TFG.

You are stating something that is not true as obvius. I find your lack of phrasing disturbing.

Not only is it allowed in the current rules. It was spesificly allowed in 8.0 and 8.5 after the reserve rules got tightened up a lot. It is just a contonuation of how the rules worked in 8th edition. The phrasing has to change because the rules in 9th edition preventing this has changed how they are phrased.

I'm going to not respond to your weird intonation of Vader for some reason, and just respond with the fact that showing up to a FLGS with an All Ironhands FW Dreadnaught list was indeed legal and allowable, but it was also kinda a jerk move. You are possibly trying to use a admittedly legal rule, in an extremely casual environment, meant entirely for fun, learning, and hobby growth. It just WAAC. If you don't understand WAAC, I don't want to lecture on it, and I won't. But don't pretend like using this rule is somehow in the pursuit of a fun and fair game with casual opponents.

TIL using the core rule for a model is WAAC.

Yeah. All through fifth, sixth, I believe seventh, most of 8th with and now in ninth edition the drop pod has been alone in deepstrikting turn one. Besides the bokter, that is all it does. And now it is WAAC. :-p

Its what drop pods do. Its not some weird interaction, obtuse synergy or exploit ... this isnt WAAC this is literally just doing what is on the tin.

 Type40 wrote:
Its what drop pods do. Its not some weird interaction, obtuse synergy or exploit ... this isnt WAAC this is literally just doing what is on the tin.

This^ You pay for Drop Pods to DS turn 1, its not WAAC at all and everyone knows that.

Drop Pods are essentially immobile transports (once deployed) - it's just like using a Valkyrie to drop a Plasmagun Scion squad on T1 right next to something important, hell, you can even use a stratagem to place the disembarking unit 5" away from their target... on Turn 1...