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The bunker is all kinds of smirk bait. Look at a Drop Pod and tell me it looks like 10 Tactical Marines would fit in it. On the other hand the Bunker actually looks like 10 Heavy Intercessors would fit in that thing. However zero can. Nobody can.. hunker down in the bunker. And it doesn't deep strike. Which given it's rules is a good thing. Deep Striking the shoots-everthing-bunker into the other guy's back line would be very TFG. Of course if it was one of my buddies and I was going first on turn one, I'd totally start a game that way. Drop them all around his Warlord and pretend that was going to be the turn. Then I'd tell him I was just kidding. Assuming the table was still upright and they were still in the room.

I legit assumed that's how it was going to work! Especially given the name! But it would come with a quirky rule like "You must shout "Hammerfall" before deploying it. But once deployed, the idea was that it would essentially nuke everything nearby, and then the Intercessors would get out and plant the flag on the objective. Oh, and dedicated transport because Cawl.

It's the first and only bet I've lost on marine releases in the last 18 months. Thankfully ...

tneva82 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Oldmarines are being intentionally squatted, just at a slower pace than before due to backlash.

People have been saying this for 3 years. Gw keeps disproving them. But please. Do hold your　breath waiting　for it.

Moving oldmarines to 2 wounds does one thing. It allows GW to balance every other army around primaris statlines, without space marine players who still use oldmarines crying (and oh how space marine players love to cry) about how underpowered their units are.

This means they can balance the game for primaris, so when oldmarines get removed there's not some huge shift in power levels, as it's all already set up with the new system.

It's actually the most intelligent way for GW to go about removing oldmarines, so intelligent that I am suspicious that GW are even doing it intentionally. Probably an accident.

Most recent best evidence for oldmarines being phased out is Deathwatch. They used to be one of the few armies where oldmarines had a real edge over primaris, but most of their abilities/weapons have been toned down to uselessness or completely removed.

Niiru wrote:
Most recent best evidence for oldmarines being phased out is Deathwatch. They used to be one of the few armies where oldmarines had a real edge over primaris, but most of their abilities/weapons have been toned down to uselessness or completely removed.

Until we see their supplement in a week and a half, I wouldn't be quite so hasty as to make this declaration - odds are that things that didn't fit cleanly in the SM book without influencing other Chapters have been held back for implementation there.

Niiru wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Oldmarines are being intentionally squatted, just at a slower pace than before due to backlash.

People have been saying this for 3 years. Gw keeps disproving them. But please. Do hold your　breath waiting　for it.

Moving oldmarines to 2 wounds does one thing..

It sells the left over kids nobody was buying because most of us thought (and think) they were(are) being squatted.


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Tycho wrote:

The bunker is all kinds of smirk bait. Look at a Drop Pod and tell me it looks like 10 Tactical Marines would fit in it. On the other hand the Bunker actually looks like 10 Heavy Intercessors would fit in that thing. However zero can. Nobody can.. hunker down in the bunker. And it doesn't deep strike. Which given it's rules is a good thing. Deep Striking the shoots-everthing-bunker into the other guy's back line would be very TFG. Of course if it was one of my buddies and I was going first on turn one, I'd totally start a game that way. Drop them all around his Warlord and pretend that was going to be the turn. Then I'd tell him I was just kidding. Assuming the table was still upright and they were still in the room.

I legit assumed that's how it was going to work! Especially given the name! But it would come with a quirky rule like "You must shout "Hammerfall" before deploying it. But once deployed, the idea was that it would essentially nuke everything nearby, and then the Intercessors would get out and plant the flag on the objective. Oh, and dedicated transport because Cawl.

It's the first and only bet I've lost on marine releases in the last 18 months. Thankfully ...

I kind of assumed they'd be Must-Be-Empty-And-Must-Be-Turn1 Drop Pods. They have to land on turn 1, can't carry anyone onto the field (or can only carry Primaris in which case they'd be the Primaris Drop Pod) and would allow 10 of something to shelter in place. Of course, I also assumed they'd have some sort of facing/LOS rule for the Four Faces of Dakka.