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RIP Lias and Narvaez

My ideal circumstances:

- R&H, Elysians and Corsairs get updated rules, even if the models are OOP.
- Units are brought to balanced standards, as IMO, it's only a very select number of FW units that give this overall "FW=OP" nonsense.

My expectations:

- Krieg will be unplayable with this bollocks Doctrine of "50% chance of firing a single weapon at BS6+"
- Lot of units will be shafted to Legends despite models still being in production *cries in Stormhammer*
- Errors everywhere.
- Titans will still be unplayable.
- Secutarii will still not have a <FORGE WORLD> keyword despite being the Titan Guard of several Forge Worlds in the AM Codex
- No updates or changes at all after this release as FW switch focus to the urgently-required fourth set of MKIV Rhino Doors.

 Valkyrie wrote:
My ideal circumstances:

- R&H, Elysians and Corsairs get updated rules, even if the models are OOP.
- Units are brought to balanced standards, as IMO, it's only a very select number of FW units that give this overall "FW=OP" nonsense.

My expectations:

- Krieg will be unplayable with this bollocks Doctrine of "50% chance of firing a single weapon at BS6+"
- Lot of units will be shafted to Legends despite models still being in production *cries in Stormhammer*
- Errors everywhere.
- Titans will still be unplayable.
- Secutarii will still not have a <FORGE WORLD> keyword despite being the Titan Guard of several Forge Worlds in the AM Codex
- No updates or changes at all after this release as FW switch focus to the urgently-required fourth set of MKIV Rhino Doors.

Honestly i'd be surprised if they didn't just Copy paste the stuff from the index over into legends just to spite me one last time.

Speaking of Legends, what about the stuff that became Legendary in 8th edition? Will I still be able to field Rough Riders or am I going to have to pigeonhole Death Riders into my armies now?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Speaking of Legends, what about the stuff that became Legendary in 8th edition? Will I still be able to field Rough Riders or am I going to have to pigeonhole Death Riders into my armies now?

no it's legends it will remain as is in there until end of time or gw needeing to cash in on nostalgia

After the FW compendium article they just released I'm not optimistic at all. If the flagship DKOK line got rules that terrible and the gorgon and stormhammer have been made legends like they appear to be, the book won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

Why on earth are they taking models they are currently making and switching them to legends rules only?

So how does everyone think they'll "balance" what units remain? I'm betting all the dreadnoughts are going to WS/BS 3+, and I doubt that the legion super heavys will remain T9, as I think that was gw's "problem" with them.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
After the FW compendium article they just released I'm not optimistic at all. If the flagship DKOK line got rules that terrible and the gorgon and stormhammer have been made legends like they appear to be, the book won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

Why on earth are they taking models they are currently making and switching them to legends rules only?

Spite ?
Because FW delievered a clearly superior rules product at the end of 6th and 7th where mainline GW failed massively?

I don't know frankly.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So how does everyone think they'll "balance" what units remain? I'm betting all the dreadnoughts are going to WS/BS 3+, and I doubt that the legion super heavys will remain T9, as I think that was gw's "problem" with them.

Who knows but as stated when even DKoK got the shaft that badly there is little room for hope beyond slip ups that it turns out in any way shape or form decently for owners of these.

But i am sure GW will be more then happy to sell you a knight or 2

 Oaka wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
Niche interest , but I expect the Tantalus to go down in points, and the Reaper to go up.

I also expect those vehicles will become <Kabal> only.

Good shout, agree 100%. The interactions between those two vehicles and Coven/Cult have always had issues, and it makes no sense having Ravagers be Kabal only (as the shooty subfaction), but Reapers not.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Can anyone confirm the existence of the statement by the GW rules lead, that GW won't be releasing any new Xeno units?

Is this meant to be in reference to FW Xeno units or just Xeno units in general?

Given we know of, what, at least two upcoming Xenos models, I'd guess he means FW, but clarification would be nice.

To be entirely honest, there was no clarification. That's why I asked. But I'm guessing with the news, it's FW.

Looking at the Craftworlds list, Wasp assault walker, Phoenix, Vampire Hunter, Vampire raider and all the Corsair units have gone. All of those are, unsurprisingly, not listed on the Forgeworld store anymore. It wasn't that long ago that some Corsair bits and the Wasp were still up for sale so I'm assuming they've all been legended.

Is FW even releasing new 40k models these days?

It is kinda obvious that a book called "Compendium" is not going to have new units.

One unit that might (!) slightly profit from the new DKOK doctrine could be Cyclopses. With this if they don't blow up from being destroyed they still have a 50% chance to detonate. At least that is what I think, since the charge is a ranged weapon that can be detonated in any of its shooting phases.

Also the Malcador Infernus can burn one last time. But both are not that big sellers

Not Online!!! wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Speaking of Legends, what about the stuff that became Legendary in 8th edition? Will I still be able to field Rough Riders or am I going to have to pigeonhole Death Riders into my armies now?

no it's legends it will remain as is in there until end of time or gw needeing to cash in on nostalgia

Right, but are 8e Legends usable in 9e? Those datasheets no longer fully align with some of the changes made in the edition jump, not sure if any of those changes render those datasheets unusable but I imagine there will be compatability issues.

 Tyran wrote:
Is FW even releasing new 40k models these days?

It is kinda obvious that a book called "Compendium" is not going to have new units.

I don't think FW has actually released a new 40k mini in a few years. Everything has been 30k, Titanicus, Aeronautica, Necromunda, etc. focused. The only exception I can think of are the moirax armigers, but even then IIRC those were intended as a 30k release and just received 40k rules (not unlike the Custodes minis).

Well, there go my plans to build a Hellforged Predator. I chalk it up to the model not selling since the design was just so lame, even though the rules are cool. Also, why did they get rid of Samus?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Well, there go my plans to build a Hellforged Predator. I chalk it up to the model not selling since the design was just so lame, even though the rules are cool. Also, why did they get rid of Samus?

My poor Lord Zhufor got iced as well. I just got a Flamethrower predator a few months ago as well.

Welp, Bad News/Good News time for the DKoK.

Bad News - the Doctrine is probably the most useless faction rules in the game.

Good news - they're not doing duplicate rules for stuff like Infantry Squads where they're always all more expensive and have fewer upgrade and weapon options for no reason than their codex equivalents.

I noticed however that Grenadiers do not have an entry. I'm hoping this just means they get to be Stormtroopers/Scions that can just be taken in DKoK doctrine armies. However, as the model is OOP, I suspect instead they're being moved to Legends, probably with permanent garbage unit restrictions the always had. But I'm hoping not.

Overall? If Grenadiers stay, I'd say a net gain. I'll take a lipstick doctrine over stupidly crippled unit options and inflated points costs. Honestly I didn't expect much more.

looks like all my FW models are making the cut... i wonder if they are going to be any good XD.

Achillies land raider,
Sketatcvh wraith knights
cobra

I think this may be a good sign for R&H fans. Its an army that is begging to exist and will make sales in the chaos crowds and it has been teased heavily with Blackstone Fortress releases. I wouldn't doubt if when the AM book comes out the R&H or whatever new name they give them will be soon after with a bunch of vehicle sprue upgrades ala GSC and a few special packs like commanders, mutant Ogryn, and a generic Infantry Squad kit. Its an army that would be very cheap for them to sell.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
I think this may be a good sign for R&H fans. Its an army that is begging to exist and will make sales in the chaos crowds and it has been teased heavily with Blackstone Fortress releases. I wouldn't doubt if when the AM book comes out the R&H or whatever new name they give them will be soon after with a bunch of vehicle sprue upgrades ala GSC and a few special packs like commanders, mutant Ogryn, and a generic Infantry Squad kit. Its an army that would be very cheap for them to sell.

if anything it will be a bad sign because GW will inevitably split up R&H into Traitor guard, cult + pirates and Dark mech in order to capitalise on the former collectors and sell even more separate rulessets.

Also, compared to the vraksian line the new traitor guard is not really enticing in regards too looks (well mostly the chaos commisar and the ogryn)

Not Online!!! wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
I think this may be a good sign for R&H fans. Its an army that is begging to exist and will make sales in the chaos crowds and it has been teased heavily with Blackstone Fortress releases. I wouldn't doubt if when the AM book comes out the R&H or whatever new name they give them will be soon after with a bunch of vehicle sprue upgrades ala GSC and a few special packs like commanders, mutant Ogryn, and a generic Infantry Squad kit. Its an army that would be very cheap for them to sell.

if anything it will be a bad sign because GW will inevitably split up R&H into Traitor guard, cult + pirates and Dark mech in order to capitalise on the former collectors and sell even more separate rulessets.

Also, compared to the vraksian line the new traitor guard is not really enticing in regards too looks (well mostly the chaos commisar and the ogryn)

R&H is a BIG mix and it makes sense to separate them out. Not saying its a good thing but from the perspective of a NEW player you will need something more focused.

Those models are hard to follow really. They still need to have a mass produced plastic with specific and new aesthetics in mind and maybe when we see the whole line it will make more sense.

This is basically what I expected.

More than what gets rules and what doesn't, just browsing FW's catalogue makes me sad, because so many cool things are gone to be replaced with another Legion-Specific Contemptor Dreadnought.

There are more products under Contemptor Dreadnought than there are under and of the Xenos Factions.

I expect more cut units and more nerfs to render all my FW units even more unplayable than they already were. And still no Taghmata content.

With the death of Alan Bligh the Imperial Armor series is dead. GW has made it clear they want FW to focus on 30k and specialist games. No more 40k.

Now, part of this isn't insidious, it's due to technology improvements. When FW was founded to make big and detailed models it wasn't cost effective to do them in plastic and resin was the only economical option. Fast forward to 2020 and there isn't much GW can't do with plastic. Just look at the new Necrons and Son of Behmat. As such, no need for FW to be doing 40k stuff anymore.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Welp, Bad News/Good News time for the DKoK.

Bad News - the Doctrine is probably the most useless faction rules in the game.

I put forth Word Bearers and Tzeentch Daemons. I'd rather have Krieg than either of those. Fire when you die Exalted Flamers and horror squads that ignore the under-half attrition penalty, sure.

I'm sad Corsairs are dead now.

But I guess they were already dead and this is just filling in the grave.

The only Forge World unit I have, is the dreadnought drop pod, so I hope to see it get the rule to deepstrike battle round 1!

Here's hoping half my entire faction (Custodes) doesn't get hit with the long hard bat of nerf.

4 FW units. 2 used. the used one get removed, we are left with a thunder hawk and a bad land raider. Sad, but thankfuly people here don't use FW, so zero affect on me. Feel bad for those people that bought and painted their GK dreads thinking that one they will be fixed.

FW is no longer a 40k company. They're keeping token support for some existing models, nothing more.

The book looks to be a "let's charge people money to slowly squat their units" exercise, so I'd be very surprised if the rule are any good.