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 Brutallica wrote:
GW FB team allready deleted tons of posts. I got perma banned from posting, im no kreig player. But they dont deserve that treatment. So ill gladly take it.

This just killed some hype for 9th, it looks like gw are sticking with the "less is more" :(

Knowing how tone deaf GW can be sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised if their response to that is "Forget about that, OOOO, look more shiny space marines!"

 Grimskul wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
GW FB team allready deleted tons of posts. I got perma banned from posting, im no kreig player. But they dont deserve that treatment. So ill gladly take it.

This just killed some hype for 9th, it looks like gw are sticking with the "less is more" :(

Knowing how tone deaf GW can be sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised if their response to that is "Forget about that, OOOO, look more shiny space marines!"

At this point I think a lot of players are telling GW where to put those marines

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
GW FB team allready deleted tons of posts. I got perma banned from posting, im no kreig player. But they dont deserve that treatment. So ill gladly take it.

This just killed some hype for 9th, it looks like gw are sticking with the "less is more" :(

Knowing how tone deaf GW can be sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised if their response to that is "Forget about that, OOOO, look more shiny space marines!"

At this point I think a lot of players are telling GW where to put those marines

HOPEFULLY, they GW sees the marine fatigue they are pushing onto the players, but unfortunately being a public company means the bean counters have inordinate amount of control and with marines being the "guaranteed" cashflow release for the end of fiscal quarters, I can't see them not laying off marines for a while. One of the few things I like about Age of Sigmar is that as much as Stormcast do get attention, other factions do get a lot of love both in the narrative and in model releases. I wish there was closer parity to that between factions in 40k.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
The gorgon is something that legitimately puzzles me, since they literally had a whole special like 2 months ago about it's return to production.

My bet is that it's a combination of oversight and this book having gone to print also months ago, before the gorgon was returned to production.



As for the other deleted units: the Centaur is, was, and will be defunct as a transport, especially with Grenadiers gone, because it has a smaller transport capacity than IG units' minimum squad size with the exception of command squads. That said, I'm sad that the Universal Carrier of the Imperium is gone, because it was cute and funny.

The Storm Chimera is just a Chimera, like the 3 types of FW Vanquishers are all just Leman Russ Vanquishers.

The Marcharius Omega isn't DKoK unique, and while it's disappointing that it's gone, it's been gone for a while.

yeah, that said doesn't FW typically puit a free rules PDF up when they have a new unit that lacks a index entry? seems that'd be the right thing to do for the gorgon

With how many people suddenly play krieg you would think they would never stop selling the models.

Also suprised at how people are reacting, we knew this was coming for months. Almost every legend model other than a centaur and gorgon have a nearly identical IG equivalent. Its not like half their collection suddenly is unplayable. Rules suck just as much as before only now they get access to more of the IG strategems that were locked behind keywords they didnt share.

Also imagine getting mad and lashing out at the people who were not responsible for the decision but have to do what they are told to say by the company by line. I bet yall yell at retail employees for what corporate decided. Seriously I have seen the comments on there, and to get banned it must have been pretty bad or non-productive. Its marketing, what did you expect them to say? That "This update we put out is absolute gak and it sucks for everyone that we are doing this thing?"

Is it good to lose things? Nope
Would I rather everything was kept up? Yep
Am I going to throw a witchfit whenever anything gets removed? Nope
Am I going to look at it in context and adjust my reactions? Yep
Is someone able to still use their models with upcoming rules? Yep
Are DKOK competative? Nope, and they never were so I was not going to take them to a official tournament(the only place legends isnt allowed).

 Leth wrote:
Also imagine getting mad and lashing out at the people who were not responsible for the decision but have to do what they are told to say by the company by line. I bet yall yell at retail employees for what corporate decided. Seriously I have seen the comments on there, and to get banned it must have been pretty bad or non-productive. Its marketing, what did you expect them to say? That "This update we put out is absolute gak and it sucks for everyone that we are doing this thing?"

How do you think people should express their ire then? Just be good consumers and consume anyway?

What's your holier-than-thou "I bet you guys are real jerks to those undeserving who they probably take it out on unjustly" problem? You're the one with an avatar of someone with a smirk flipping people off.

On to what's happening here-

People are frustrated because it would take so little to keep collections. The entire GW mantra is around making your collection yours and personalizing it, with story, hobby, experience, special rules that reflect this, etc.

So when people lose that, yeah, it feels unfair and the injury if not the act feels personal, when the company clearly has the resources to keep putting new things out vs. some rules they won't seriously playtest anyways. So they gripe about the company's cynical practices. Big shock.

Or one can play the rationalism card like this comes out of nowhere, while suggesting that people who disagree should be kicked off.

I expect them to act like adults and treat people with respect. It is someone just trying to do their job like anyone else, having to represent ideas that they might not agree with. Being rude or insulting to them isn’t going to change anything it’s just going to result in closed lines of communication.

I find it hilarious how the thought of “hey just don’t buy it” didn’t pop into your head as an option between “Be a dick to customer service reps” and “ consume without saying anything”

Imagine What kinda person you have to be hearing someone say “don’t be a dick to customer service reps because of corporates decisions” and think that person is being “holier than thou”. Also imagine thinking that the avatar of an imperial inquisitor giving someone the finger has any bearing on the merit of what i was saying. Pretty sure that’s what most inquisitors figuratively do.

Nothing wrong with being frustrated, there is a line between being frustrated and being a whiny gak. The first time I heard it it was fine, after the twentieth time it gets really old.

Who said they should be kicked off? I certainly didn’t. I just said it gets annoying and burns through any sympathy they might have had pretty quickly. I won’t advocate for kicking you off, I will just ignore you once it is clear that you repeatedly show you offer less than you take, and I throughly expect others to do the same. After all it’s the market place of ideas, ideas that show no value should be treated with the merits they deserve.

No, my issue is that you imagined people would be dicks and because of these imagined actions, you're better than them. And I have no idea what "just don't buy it" has to do with things people bought being rendered competitively (and therefore typically socially) defunct.

And I'm not sure what

 Leth wrote:
Seriously I have seen the comments on there, and to get banned it must have been pretty bad or non-productive.

means, if it doesn't mean that you think people's behavior should get them kicked off.

Of course peoples behaviour should potentially get them kicked off. This isn't the government arresting people for dissent against GW.

I've also seen plenty of unhappy posts on there that have not resulted in deletion or banning, it's amazing how far a little common courtesy goes.

 Leth wrote:

I find it hilarious how the thought of “hey just don’t buy it” didn’t pop into your head as an option between “Be a dick to customer service reps” and “ consume without saying anything”

I find it hilarious how you think "Hey just don't buy it" is a valid response to a company basically squatting possibly thousands of dollars of your favorite army.

Imagine spending years building, painting and developing a Krieg army, going to events, showing it off etc. Only to be told that GW just removed like 80%+ of it from legal game play because....reasons. Sorry you spent thousands of dollars and thousands of hours. Better luck next time? Make sure not to complain though, because if you do some rando will personally attack you on Dakka for being reasonably upset.

Also, as far as getting kicked, I've seen peoples comments deleted that were pretty tame, and then the person just stops responding. So either they got banned or they just decided Feth it, and quit the hobby.

So from a marketing perspective teamed with a Social media perspective...you just alienated a large group of people, and than your social media personnel just pissed them off to the point where they have had enough, which guess what? Hurts the company's sales long term.

I mean, i'm kind of glad GW did this now as opposed to in like 6 months or so, because I was actualy considering building a DKoK army because I love the fluff and the shovels!

There's some pretty significant leaps in logic going on here...

"A social network PR guy didn't respond to my comment" to then conclude with "better go and quit the hobby"...

I have a DKOK army, and the writing has unfortunately been on the walls since Elysians went the way of the dodo. The Gorgon is the only real loss that I'm pretty upset over, but I'll wait until I see it in legends before I completely write it off. The fact is still has a model is strange though.

I've been playing my DKOK as IG anyway, so using my Grenadiers as Scions is par for the course.

The sky isn't falling yet, and although disappointing, it's expected. An army like DKOK was always about the models and never the rules, so them not being top tier doesn't bother me much.

So DKoK have improved on the table with this update. That's the first thing to say. Yes they've lost some key units (notably gren+cent combo, which was cool and viable).

They've become more generic, but the benefit is that they're now tied into Guard strats, units and orders.

Finally some of their unit sheets have improved quite a bit - the drill is better and can now take engineers along, kriegers can now take aim! and Frfsrf, and are 18% cheaper, and Riders have an extra wound and a spanking new 5+++.

The truth is we won't know where the army stands until the new Guard codex drops. If there's some way to leverage shoot-as-you-die vehicles in it, then DK might have a pretty cool set of tools.

None of this stops it sucking that some really cool models have been legended. RIP.

Leth has just seen it all. Its hard to not get over it, when you've seen as many cycles of nerfs and buffs as we have.

I wouldn't let him get your heckles up.

It is annoying to lose units tho,and GW have become souless and corporate. This is why I mostly just paint now. They cant take away my head cannon.

Edit: I'll also note, as the younger generation have moved into the hobby, there has been this push more and more into competitive is all that there is in 40k,I think its the E-sport influence.

At your tabletop, its whatever you want. You can run the old rules, you can make your own rules.
Its what the hobby and GW used to be about back in the day, in the end the point to me is always to tell a story of a small skirmish somewhere in the dark universe, and events are jus ways to meet people.

I think we as a community need to move away from the push towards competitive gaming.

This sucks for the DKoK players out there. You shouldn't be forced into generic rules where you previously enjoyed both unique rules and unique models.

People are obviously going to be very upset to see their chosen army phased out. I've never understood the people who come around and kick people while they're down by telling them it's just a game and not to get worked up about it. The fact that it's not "just a game" to the people who play it is why GW is worth 4 billion.

 Canadian 5th wrote:
This sucks for the DKoK players out there. You shouldn't be forced into generic rules where you previously enjoyed both unique rules and unique models.

Wait, posters here have told me people loves to be consolidated and to lose everything that make their own army special and all the reasons why they chose their army to dissapear!

 Leth wrote:
With how many people suddenly play krieg you would think they would never stop selling the models.

I think there is a good chance GW lost the race to make Korps models to 3ed party companies. It was way cheaper, and you got better models to buy them from a guy cloning them 2 streets away from you then buy them at 4xtimes more from GW and get damged stuff.

Wait, posters here have told me people loves to be consolidated and to lose everything that make their own army special and all the reasons why they chose their army to dissapear!

Only if it is for armies they don't like or armies they don't play.

 Irbis wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
How do you think people should express their ire then? Just be good consumers and consume anyway?

If you got that line from certain idiot fascist youtuber, I'd advise stopping consuming whiny garbage first. Will be much better for you in the long run. And no, but there are much more productive ways of showing displeasure than turning into 4chan level prick because someone egged you on.

Also, funnily enough if Goonhammer review is anything to go by, DK are the most viable they had been in years, multiple units got strong buffs, what was nerfed can be played as IG equivalents, and DK now have full access to the whole IG book which easily outweighs the losses. So, yeah, I'd wait with wailing until you get a change to play DK, and not DK from past edition, army made specifically for this one.

Love everything about this post!

 Canadian 5th wrote:
This sucks for the DKoK players out there. You shouldn't be forced into generic rules where you previously enjoyed both unique rules and unique models.

Yeah, I think what we're seeing is a moonlighting cycle of forgeworld as an 'expansion set' of rules for 40k. And that makes sense: forgeworld for a mass battle game just isn't sustainable at the price point it was at, especially with resin 3d printers becoming more and more widespread and available.

Forgeworld for niche, more skirmish-sized wargames makes a lot more sense.

All I'll say is: You'll most likely save yourself a lot of heartache if you put in some thought as to what you're going to proxy your forgeworld stuff as. I've had my mechanicum collection for a while now, so I'll share mine:

-Thanatar as Scorpius Disintegrator
-Castellax as Kastelans with Fists
-Vorax as Kastelans with Guns
-Thallax as Pteraxi Sterilyzors
-Triaros as Terrax Drill with Volkite
-Myrmidons as Breachers