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If DW were part of greater ordo xenos army it would be excusable to make them stand out with a better stat line

Tyel 793551 10978485 wrote:

*GW makes plastic Sisters with rules comfortably putting them in the top half of factions and they sell out almost everywhere.*

"Its a fluke."

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Well we don't how many units of sob stuff they made. You can boost any type of sales by telling it sold out in 5 sec, by just making 2000 units of something. And when at the same time another thing you make sells in 5sec, and people come with pitch forks and fire at your for not making enough units of that other thing, and you made 100000 of that other thing, then next time you are going to be more inclined to make and sell that other thing. It is safer too.

McDonald could make vegan burgers right now, and make the whole supply sell out in a day. But it wouldn't mean that vegan burgers are a good idea, or somehow equal to regular ones.

glados wrote:
I agree with the OP here. Deathwatch have pretty much become a generic chapter flavour that is just Primaris in black.

The faction should have been Ordo Xenos complete with stormtrooper/scion options, good inquisitor options as well as kill teams. The whole unique schtick should have been a book that combined IG and space marine elements with its own twist.

They also need the kits/encouragement to push what the real joy in Deathwatch is, a custom army of 'your dudes'. I've built a pretty large Deathwatch force (no primaris) using a whole bunch of different space marine kits from pretty much all chapters that had unique chapter specific kits or upgrade parts available. Also rounded it off with some 3D printed shoulder pads for the lesser known chapters. It was an utter joy to build and without a doubt the most fun I've had creating an army.

Sadly primaris isnt quite there yet with chapter specific stuff to really do this.

The trick - and it seems like GW is going nowhere near this - is how to get you the cross chapter one of everybody thing without creating a backdoor to Marine soup. So they can't let you stick a different chapter tactic on each guy. Even switching tactics from squad to squad is too close to that door. But getting some sort of system going for that is probably the place to start with Deathwatch and Grey Shields.

glados wrote:
I agree with the OP here. Deathwatch have pretty much become a generic chapter flavour that is just Primaris in black.

The faction should have been Ordo Xenos complete with stormtrooper/scion options, good inquisitor options as well as kill teams. The whole unique schtick should have been a book that combined IG and space marine elements with its own twist.

They also need the kits/encouragement to push what the real joy in Deathwatch is, a custom army of 'your dudes'. I've built a pretty large Deathwatch force (no primaris) using a whole bunch of different space marine kits from pretty much all chapters that had unique chapter specific kits or upgrade parts available. Also rounded it off with some 3D printed shoulder pads for the lesser known chapters. It was an utter joy to build and without a doubt the most fun I've had creating an army.

Sadly primaris isnt quite there yet with chapter specific stuff to really do this.

Yep, it may be nostalgic, but I thought that era of mixed forces army lists plus the at that point very rarely used allied force org table managed to do what GW wanted with allies, while not getting into soup.

glados wrote:
I agree with the OP here. Deathwatch have pretty much become a generic chapter flavour that is just Primaris in black.

The faction should have been Ordo Xenos complete with stormtrooper/scion options, good inquisitor options as well as kill teams. The whole unique schtick should have been a book that combined IG and space marine elements with its own twist.

They also need the kits/encouragement to push what the real joy in Deathwatch is, a custom army of 'your dudes'. I've built a pretty large Deathwatch force (no primaris) using a whole bunch of different space marine kits from pretty much all chapters that had unique chapter specific kits or upgrade parts available. Also rounded it off with some 3D printed shoulder pads for the lesser known chapters. It was an utter joy to build and without a doubt the most fun I've had creating an army.

Sadly primaris isnt quite there yet with chapter specific stuff to really do this.

A few counterpoints:

1/ Adding primaris does not mean taking away mixed squads- at least not this edition. Yes, many hypothesize the squatting of old marines eventually, but it isn't happening this edition. So if you're worried about Primaris additions contaminating the unique flavour of DW, JUST DON"T USE THEM. You've got at least 3 more years where that will be possible.

2/ I never had the Daemon Hunter dex, but the Storm Troopers, I thought, were a Hereticus thing. I feel like Daemons and Aliens may be heavy enough that Storm Troopers wouldn't be the Imperium's first choice. I mean, I know they are the Elite of the Guard, and that Guard fight Aliens and Daemons all the time, but I see that as happening when other options for the Imperium aren't available. If the GK are assaulting a Daemonic world, or the DW are assaulting an Alien stronghold, they are definitely going to bring as much power armoured psychic might and specialized ammo as they can bring to bare.

I would, however, be almost as happy with Hereticus in Sob, Malleus in the GK and Xenos in the DW. The only thing is that IF they did that, there's nowhere for the Rogue Traders to go. If they do an Agents dex this edition, they can throw in whatever they want.

Last counterpoint: The DW Supplement will have unique DW Crusade content. For Crusade players, that alone justifies the Supplement. I can hardly wait to see what it is! Crusade content is actually the thing I look most forward to in any publication.

Last counterpoint: The DW Supplement will have unique DW Crusade content. For Crusade players, that alone justifies the Supplement. I can hardly wait to see what it is! Crusade content is actually the thing I look most forward to in any publication

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5 man units of eradictors or 5 man units of outriders which are troops, just because they combat squaded out of a unit of 5 intercessors, are also a unique thing to consider when picking an army. No one else can have units of 5 of those in one unit. And while eradictors as troops are a no brainer, the outriders seem interesting too and if they ever get an sgt upgrade sprue, lets say around WS supplement coming out, they could get even better.

Karol wrote:
if they ever get an sgt upgrade sprue, lets say around WS supplement coming out, they could get even better.

Something to be a ware of. You don't get a Sgt biker when you put them in a kill team. The Intercessor has to be the Sgt.