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Longtime Dakkanaut






So, here's my thinking:

Aegis defence lines can be arranged in any way such that they are touching another section in a single line. After depoyment, they become a Terrain feature. So, if I were to double-layer my aegis (2 long and 1 short section, then a short one at an angle, then 2 long and 2 short 1" in front of the original line), with a gap such that no models can fit between them, this is a valid deployment, EG:

__ _ __
__ _ __ _\

(obviously all touching)

And then put my units behind the line, as far back as possible without leaving space for a base between the line and the models.

At this point I have a terrain feature that models cannot stand on top of, cannot stop in between, and cannot make a charge over as they cannot get into charge range. Effectively, as long as my unit survives behind the line, the line is unbreachable by any non-flying unit.

Now, aegis lines become terrain after they are deployed, so cannot be deployed within 3" of one another. However, you could take 2 and place them either side of the board to funnel opponents into the middle and prevent ingression around the flanks.

Now, as an Ork player, I have an ace in my sleeve. Grots are short enough to stand behind an aegis defence line and not be visible. At this point, the only way a unit of grots can be attacked is by getting around the Aegis and attacking them this way. They can't be shot from the front, due to being hidden, and they cannot be charged due to the aegis line's deployment.

Does this work?

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I guess so? This is assuming you pretend it works in the first place, since "the rules for Barricades" is not the same as the "Common Terrain Types" for "the rules for Barricades and Fuel Pipes". You're instructed to use a specific set of rules for the terrain, you can't assign your own ones, but the rules don't exist, so it has no terrain features.

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I guess so? This is assuming you pretend it works in the first place, since "the rules for Barricades" is not the same as the "Common Terrain Types" for "the rules for Barricades and Fuel Pipes". You're instructed to use a specific set of rules for the terrain, you can't assign your own ones, but the rules don't exist, so it has no terrain features.


That's a little bit of a pedantic footing isn't it? "The rues for barricades" = "The rules that barricades follow" = "The rules for barricades and fuel pipes".

It may not be the exact same wording but it's clear that the rules for barricades are found under the heading "the rules for barricades and fuel pipes".


Semantics aside, I am going to say categorically that when I field an Aegis Defence Line I will be using the "Rules for barricades and fuel pipes" in direct substitution for the "Rules for Barricades" which are non-existent.

Now that we have the legalities aside, within this assumption, is this do-able?

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Interesting concept. I don't have practical experience, but I don't see why it should not work. And as it sounds interesting and can be used by both players I personally would not mind if someone tries this (assuming there still is a gap to get through.)

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
Interesting concept. I don't have practical experience, but I don't see why it should not work. And as it sounds interesting and can be used by both players I personally would not mind if someone tries this (assuming there still is a gap to get through.)


I think there would have to be a gap as an Aegis is only 4 long and 4 short sections, and after deploying becomes terrain so cannot place another within 3" of the feature.

You could take 2 aegis, both with guns, then put the guns in the gap (as these do not become terrain) making an immovable barrier which has to be killed to get through. 2 of them could work like the hot gates from 300, making an opponents numbers irellevant. Put one eds on the board edge so they have to flow areound the other side, then put your really stoic units at the edge.

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But you would still be limited to put them into your own deployment zone, right? And since you would hinder your own movement the same there seems to be kind of a risk of becoming boxed in by your own move if the enemy can seal of the gap himself?

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
But you would still be limited to put them into your own deployment zone, right? And since you would hinder your own movement the same there seems to be kind of a risk of becoming boxed in by your own move if the enemy can seal of the gap himself?


You certainly could be boxed in by your own opponent. Yo uwon't restrict your own movement too badly as it will just slow you by 2" if you move over it, it's only the presence of another unit on the other side which makes it impassable. I'm really considering trying it with grots to make a funnel, especially effective when deploying on short board edges, making the enemy approach through a 24" window.

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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest





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As with all terrain - you would still need to agree on its traits with your opponent. Have a look at the terrain traits for "Defence Line" and "Unstable Position".
For this to work - you would need to completely ignore the former and also give it the latter, and given the nature of the terrain I don't think you've got much of a case to do so.

If your intent is to pull off this "trick" without warning the opponent of the consequences? ...then you deserve every WAAC/That Guy accusation that comes your way as a result.
On the other hand, if you're upfront about the details and the opponent still agrees to it? That's on them.

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