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if it contained GW products it would only be books or boxes, no models

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's this rumor about the cargo container with Death Guard ending up at the bottom of the sea?

Not sure that's really a fact.

Have not been able to find anything that really proves that happened.

Last month a container ship going from China to the US hit a storm and lost a load of containers, and since then every delay anywhere has been blamed on it. The video has been shared on dozens of Kickstarters (even those that aren't shipping from China).

EDIT: alphaecho ninja'd me with the link.


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 kodos wrote:
if it contained GW products it would only be books or boxes, no models

Possibly terrain kits - a few of them are still made in China (Wargames Factory?).

don't know if they still do
but yes terrain is possible as well

 tauist wrote:
umm so now I'm confused. Originally when the deal was reached with EU, it was said that there wont be additional customs fees to EU customers of UK companies? And just yesterday I read that actually, there will be extra costs after all, you have to pay VAT and god knows what else.. making effectively UK as expensive for EU people to shop in than USA.

Can someone enlighten me please? How's it going to go for real? I'm too "entitled" to read the 1800-page contract, and even if I did read it, I'm not sure I'd be able to interpret all the implications of it correctly..

first of all the new trade deal just means that there are no Customs between UK and EU, but it is not a Customs Union and as the UK can have their own trade deals, the bureaucracy is steal there so US goods cannot be traded over UK into EU to avoid customs

VAT have to be paid anyway as the UK is not part of the Single Market any more, if you order as the end costumer from the UK (not via shops)

so yes, order for cheap in the UK to avoid original GW prices is gone one way or the order (if it is still cheaper to order from the UK, GW will just not allow it anymore) and a EU game store is the only possibility to get stuff on discount

Ah thanks. I'd head a few references to it and couldn't find real news anywhere.

If the ship was going to the US it should only have affected the US supply. I'm sure UK shipments go directly to the UK and EUR.

Heads up for everyone outside UK.
Restrictions in England are going up again and hospitals are under increased pressure.
So unlikely restrictions will go down any time soon (Could very well go more restrictive).
Just saying as this could very well cause even more delays to GW products

Doohicky wrote:
Heads up for everyone outside UK.
Restrictions in England are going up again and hospitals are under increased pressure.
So unlikely restrictions will go down any time soon (Could very well go more restrictive).
Just saying as this could very well cause even more delays to GW products

It's more likely to cause delays along with the mess over the channel and trade through the EU. That said it seems trade with China isn't hindered and GW itself should remain operational provided its staff don't go down with the disease prompting a 2 week shutdown (even then they might be able to rotate staff so that teams never meet each other so if one team goes down, they can just deep clean the worksite and resume operations with the other team). So in theory it shouldn't be as bad as the first lockdowns in March; just closer to the ones we had in November.

Doohicky wrote:
Heads up for everyone outside UK.
Restrictions in England are going up again and hospitals are under increased pressure.
So unlikely restrictions will go down any time soon (Could very well go more restrictive).
Just saying as this could very well cause even more delays to GW products

I believe I heard some people having a mutation of the virus as well, which might stop anything from leaving the UK in general

Most likely didn't originate here, but since the UK has done something like 50% of all the world's genetic sequencing of the virus if it was going to be discovered anywhere, it was here.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Doohicky wrote:
Heads up for everyone outside UK.
Restrictions in England are going up again and hospitals are under increased pressure.
So unlikely restrictions will go down any time soon (Could very well go more restrictive).
Just saying as this could very well cause even more delays to GW products

I believe I heard some people having a mutation of the virus as well, which might stop anything from leaving the UK in general

If the bulk items are being shipped via sea, or well even going via air travel to the US... It's not that much of an issue that we have a variant (which is already in multiple countries, including the US now), because the virus dies on a surface after 72 hours providing it doesn't get touched in that time by hand (literally).

Nottingham itself is going into Tier 4 from tomorrow, which means (among other things) "you must work from home if possible". It absolutely is going to affect GW releases. Tier 4 is basically full lockdown again in most respects.

Billicus wrote:Most likely didn't originate here, but since the UK has done something like 50% of all the world's genetic sequencing of the virus if it was going to be discovered anywhere, it was here.

The faster spreading version of the disease isn't unique to the UK, but it has got a hold and is spreading very fast. It will likely appear in other nations as well, but as best as nations can its good to try and isolate it as much as possible. Vaccines are said to still work, what they need now is time to be produced and distributed.

Duskweaver wrote:Nottingham itself is going into Tier 4 from tomorrow, which means (among other things) "you must work from home if possible". It absolutely is going to affect GW releases. Tier 4 is basically full lockdown again in most respects.

It will affect GW staff who can work from home and its shut down Warhammer World Stores; but the actual production side will likely not be impacted. Like the November lockdown, "work from home if you can" means just that. Factory and production workers will still be able to work under the same covid guidelines they've been using thus far. So GW should be able to produce and ship products. Right now what will shut them down is if all non-essential work is shut down or if staff are found as infected and all site staff have to go into a 10-14 day isolation.

alphaecho wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's this rumor about the cargo container with Death Guard ending up at the bottom of the sea?

Well, a ship lost nearly 2000 containers at the beginning of December.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-china-shipping-container-accident-idUKKBN28E0T7

Whether or not any contained GW product is another matter.

Must have gone hunting Eldar, I mean Drukhari.

DUNK-hari

Am I the only one happy they are slowing down releases ? I don't care why they decide to do it but they needed to pump the breaks for awhile now. The constant burn and churn needs to relax a bit to at least make each new release " feel " important as opposed to once in a never ending cycle before yet another space marine refresh.

I agree completely, the pace is too high. I have a huge backlog of Orks, Necrons and Sisters waiting to be painted, and I've barely been able to have any games of 9th yet due to the pandemic.

I understand they need to keep continually increasing sales to please the share holders, but maybe, for the sake of the sanity of everyone, they could ease down a bit of the releases? I know that some people would probably moan and complain if they are left without the weekly dose, but I remember the time of monthly releases that you read about in WD (no daily online updates) - some months there wasn't even a 40K release at all, only WHFB or some of the other games. Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy.

No I remember those days but they would most likely sell more with some time to breathe between releases. As it is I think only some keep up with it and others just burn out and step away as really it can be a bit daunting to even try and keep up with.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Am I the only one happy they are slowing down releases ? I don't care why they decide to do it but they needed to pump the breaks for awhile now. The constant burn and churn needs to relax a bit to at least make each new release " feel " important as opposed to once in a never ending cycle before yet another space marine refresh.

I am actually quite relieved by the slowed down pace. Early this year I realized I had been keeping up with the GWses a bit too much with a basement and closets full of backlogs that wasn't getting smaller due to the endless amount of releases even if I was painting nonstop during various lockdowns.

The main problem I have with GW is that they have this furious release schedule in separate games that still have some overlaps between each other.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
No I remember those days but they would most likely sell more with some time to breathe between releases. As it is I think only some keep up with it and others just burn out and step away as really it can be a bit daunting to even try and keep up with.

Depends a bit what it is that's being released. Model releases for armies you don't collect don't have any impact. If anything, faster is better as it means your own things may happen sooner rather than later. I mean, I don't think Tyranid, Eldar, Skaven or Seraphon players are feeling overwhelmed by all the new releases. If your army just had a bunch of stuff, it doesn't matter anymore as it may be years before you see anything new anyway (unless your army is Space Marines of course). Maybe a big release like the Necrons or Sister of Battle got can be overwhelming, but it's not like you have to buy everything at once - and I'd rather see the models released around the same time, than spread out too much. When everything is released or at least previewed, you know what's (going to be) available and you can start making choices of what to get first, or what kits you may want to kitbash or so. (Always annoying when you've just assembled some things, then see great new bits in a new set that would have been perfect to have earlier.) Not to mention that spread out releases just lead to incomplete codices.

The main problem in terms of a fast release schedule is the churn and burn of books/rules. Mentally and financially draining to keep up with if you even bother to try, and especially bad in a year in which few games are being played - there is no need to keep the meta fresh or whatever, and keeping up when not playing is even more difficult. Then again, releasing books and new editions at the rate GW does is hardly justifiable to begin with, regardless of the pandemic. And for those, yes, a slower release schedule is very welcome indeed.

To the people hoping the release schedule would slow down, I'm curious, why can you not just... stop buying? The limited edition/short print run stuff I understand, but the rest of it's not going anywhere.

 Arbitrator wrote:
To the people hoping the release schedule would slow down, I'm curious, why can you not just... stop buying? The limited edition/short print run stuff I understand, but the rest of it's not going anywhere.

For me, release speed isn’t an issue.
I tend to pass on nearly everything they throw out at the moment.

The limited release runs badly need a tweak though.
Either need to be started at the end of a month or last for a month.

Generally speaking, most people that are paid monthly are paid on the last day/Friday of the month.
A lot of their made to order has run from the 2nd-3rd weeks of a month.
Means that unless you saw it coming or have a hobby stash, most will skip it.

The Diaz daemonettes killed me as they did it with them.
If I’d just been paid then I would have happily spent on them.
The poor timing though meant bills etc came first.

Still pissed off about that one now as scalpers have hiked the prices back up almost instantly.

I wish GW would change how they release stuff rather than slow it down. 40k is right now in a rather good state except for a few of the factions that desperately need new rules. Those factions will have to endure for a few months extra and all of them were already unlikely to get fixed in 2021 with some having to wait until 2022. That is now all but a guarantee.

It is not like Eldar, Dark Eldar, Guard, Tyranids and Tau are overflowing with new releases. They all need updated models and rules. Some of those armies are almost unplayable due to rules and others due to old and bad models.

Middle Earth doesnt need new rules but getting new and updated plastics would help a lot for the games health. There are quite a few models that are OOP but still have rules. Like Cirdan that I just ordered from china for 3,5$ because I didnt want to buy a metal one on ebay for over 10x that price. Entire factions that are metal/finecast/FW and some units are out of stock for months.

I am guessing that some factions in AoS or some of the other specialist games could need new models as well without anyone feeling overwhelmed.

It is mainly just marines that have been getting lots of stuff. Not just in models but books as well. 2 codex and 10 supplements in about 14 months and in the same time period only Necrons got a new book. Sure, there were some PA in there as well but half of those were marine content as well. If GW had lowered the marine releases by half and spread out those 50% of releases to the factions that most needed them I dont think anyone but the largest whales would complain. There are some that buy every kit GW releases and just put it in a closet but most normal people dont. For them it only matters if the few armies they play are getting swamped by new kits and books. With a more even distribution that wouldnt happen even if they increased the amount of stuff they released.

Klickor wrote:


Middle Earth doesnt need new rules but getting new and updated plastics would help a lot for the games health. There are quite a few models that are OOP but still have rules. Like Cirdan that I just ordered from china for 3,5$ because I didnt want to buy a metal one on ebay for over 10x that price. Entire factions that are metal/finecast/FW and some units are out of stock for months.

This. I'd love to see some more middle earth stuff. The things they released this year have generally been great!

 Arbitrator wrote:
To the people hoping the release schedule would slow down, I'm curious, why can you not just... stop buying? The limited edition/short print run stuff I understand, but the rest of it's not going anywhere.

The problem is a) the amount of stuff that is limited, even stuff that should be core products like tactics cards, etc. and b) a lot of the time it isn't actually clear whether things will stay in stock or be "one and done". I, and a lot of friends, have all had instances when the first you know of something being limited release is the "No longer available online" banner appearing on the website.

Models are rarely limited and typically well signed when they are. I do agree things like boxed set games (eg Blackstone) and cards are often limited even if GW never mentions it and its VERY annoying.

Especially for something like Warcry where GW makes cards a core part of the games structure and design and then makes them limited production runs. For some reason GW still hasn't quite got a knack for allowing themselves to order more cardstock at least for the online market (its often as not that cardstock sells out online but is around physically in stores for a while after).

I can't think of a model that was limited production which wasn't expressly marketed as such. Even things like the unique sculpt intro-box Sisters of Battle were marked as limited to that boxed set only (and I honestly expect to see those push fit designs return for sale at some stage - start collecting set - beginner set - heck the new Hatchett Partworks)

I would say the only reasons GW needs to slowdown their release schedule is to get their production of existing kits sorted out along with producing enough copies of new kits to give reasonable allocations to stores. Beyond that, I say keep releasing as quickly as possible.

That being said, it would be nice if they did a better job balancing their releases across factions for 40K. They are doing fine for the other games. At this point, GW could easily rotate releases as Space Marine, Xenos, Imperial, then Chaos if that is what is needed to keep the money rolling in.

I don't know if the idea of releasing loads as soon as possible is a good thing. Bloated catalogues, rulesets, minis etc will eventually have the opposite effect. I mean 3 books and errata faqs yada yada yada etc just to play a beer and pretzels game is bad as it is.

 Overread wrote:

Duskweaver wrote:Nottingham itself is going into Tier 4 from tomorrow, which means (among other things) "you must work from home if possible". It absolutely is going to affect GW releases. Tier 4 is basically full lockdown again in most respects.

It will affect GW staff who can work from home and its shut down Warhammer World Stores; but the actual production side will likely not be impacted. Like the November lockdown, "work from home if you can" means just that. Factory and production workers will still be able to work under the same covid guidelines they've been using thus far. So GW should be able to produce and ship products. Right now what will shut them down is if all non-essential work is shut down or if staff are found as infected and all site staff have to go into a 10-14 day isolation.

“Somewhat like” lockdown. But as Overread says about these differences. This is nowhere near the same as full lockdown.

Slowing down releases and such may be due to limited capacity to produce space wise depending on their set up etc, or giving themselves a buffer in case full lockdown or something did happen (I.e. they produce at the normal rate but then have a huge advance of releases they can work through slower for a few months - either to keep it if they need it, or maybe to make up for increased releases in 2020 that they may have done to keep profits as good as they turned out to be.)
Also potentially they are using some machines to get a stock built up of other stuff (non new releases) just to make up for all that time they weren’t producing for a good half the year etc..

There's also hints that there's a new Hatchett Partworks magazine this year which would put further pressure on GW to produce.


Also lets not forget, they are slowing down but it might be they have fewer release events, but each one is bigger. Giving them room to produce on a slower scale, but at the same time also hopefully overcoming some of the issues overseas with delayed shipments. A week or two out isn't a problem if you've built yourself a longer release window buffer.

New lockdown from now through to mid February apparently. Looking at my usual online retailer for the past few weeks most of the stuff I planned to buy in the upcoming weeks has been out of stock. I expect there to be a period over the next three months identical to March - Summer of last year, where pretty much everything was OOS everywhere and people were selling pots of Abaddon black on ebay for £9.

JWBS wrote:
New lockdown from now through to mid February apparently. Looking at my usual online retailer for the past few weeks most of the stuff I planned to buy in the upcoming weeks has been out of stock. I expect there to be a period over the next three months identical to March - Summer of last year, where pretty much everything was OOS everywhere and people were selling pots of Abaddon black on ebay for £9.

Far as I can gather it will be similar to the full lockdowns we had in November; so GW's factory should be able to remain open. The March lockdowns were the first ones and happened far too fast for factories and companies to really be ready for implementing covid safe practices. The november did lower infection rates and yet factories and such could remain open. So GW's main factory should remain viable. Of course lockdown means potentially more buying online which means we might not see stocks go back up and international shipping is in a total and utter mess even before Brexit threw even more spanners into it so it might be that UK stocks remain "okish" but overseas could end up lagging or suffering in some regions.