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i dunno about the technicalities involved and what is a result of happening when, but yes I was a "pre-sub" I guess you could say (as far as I was concerned I was subbed at that point, as they took my payment details , they didn't just send me a few issues for ticking a box, there was a form of contract happening there).

Yeah that’s normal.
I just mean did you get it months ahead of everyone else (when the trial took place), or did you get it quite a while after signing up. As in a couple of months later I think it was.

From what I remember yes it was months after signing up and handing over payment details that my issues arrived, it wasn't within a week or two definitely not.

I signed up when it was the trial and shortly after received the email that there would be no issues sent but I would receive free issues as a thank you if I resubscribe for the main launch.

I had to resubscribe though. I don't believe Hachette would just send the issues months later without some form of confirmation that I was still interested.

They definitely sent my free issues before I resubmitted my payment info. I distinctly remember the reminder they sent that I owed them money for the stuff they'd given me so far (this was after they'd sent several paid issues too. I'd had maybe eight magazines in all by then? Maybe fewer, but something along those lines).

Yeah that’s just like for everyone. Free issues. Re submit payment. Etc.

No one still then was sent the issues during the trial run (which was going on during the point you were signing up).
It was just the localised selling in stores in the north.


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Point being, if they do the trial again, it will be a few months after the website is live and you’re able to subscribe and what not, that you’ll actually be starting the sub.
Though that will be the time for anyone to sign up, as it will end with giving a few free issues to start most likely.

I think both other times, Mortal Realms you paid £8 (now it’ll be £9), and got issues 1-4.
Conquest might have been 1-2 came free.
Then 3-6 came for £24 (third issue free)..

So I’d expect something similar..

Also worth remembering, in case of future hoo-ha, Hachette also do limited trial runs in newsagents, but only in a couple of regions.

Certainly that was true of Conquest and Mortal Realms. This lead to confusion when people in different regions couldn’t find them on shelf.

Of course, things have changed since then. First and foremost the GW partwork is a proven recipe, with Mortal Realms being evidence Conquest’s success and popularity wasn’t just a one-off. So there may not be the need for it. Second? My my my my Corona is still wreaking havoc, so any such trial may not be worth it, as with WH Smith’s and similar outlets being closed, the reach is limited. So they may skip that step this time around.

The question on everyone’s lips? What’s the Exclusive Mini gonna be?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

The question on everyone’s lips? What’s the Exclusive Mini gonna be?

Hint: it starts with "P" and rhymes with "Limaris Prieutenant"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also worth remembering, in case of future hoo-ha, Hachette also do limited trial runs in newsagents, but only in a couple of regions.

Certainly that was true of Conquest and Mortal Realms. This lead to confusion when people in different regions couldn’t find them on shelf.

Of course, things have changed since then. First and foremost the GW partwork is a proven recipe, with Mortal Realms being evidence Conquest’s success and popularity wasn’t just a one-off. So there may not be the need for it. Second? My my my my Corona is still wreaking havoc, so any such trial may not be worth it, as with WH Smith’s and similar outlets being closed, the reach is limited. So they may skip that step this time around.

The question on everyone’s lips? What’s the Exclusive Mini gonna be?

That was indeed the discussion in question. That when we first see it we will be signing up to it but not receiving anything yet.
But yes, I think both you reasons are spot on for why we’d might miss out on a trial.

At the same time we don't know what market bought into the magazines specifically and we don't know the content.

Eg if its another marine/primaris focused half of the magazine and the majority who bought into it were existing customers then a trial would show diminished market interest.

However if there aren't marines (new armies) and if the buying market was also healthily showing new people then a trial might not be required. Since there's every chance of having lots of repeat customers and new customers at the same time.



The one big issue is the lack of the highstreet. My impression is that these magazines work best when they've several editions early on on the highstreet for people to get caught and buy into and then they shift ot the subscription model. At the very very best they might get retailers opening up in the summer like last year (so long as the virus behaves like last year and we see rapid falloff of infection rates through the summer), but even then there will be reduced visits.

Are newsagents closed in the UK? They're open in the ROI as they carry newspapers - an essential service in getting information out. And White Dwarf.

 Horla wrote:
Are newsagents closed in the UK? They're open in the ROI as they carry newspapers - an essential service in getting information out. And White Dwarf.

Some are... some aren't. To be honest, what shops are open is pretty random.

Not only that but even if the yare they are getting way less footfall. Though they might do ok with supermarkets as they've remained pretty strong through the pandemic.

In regards to supermarkets, my local Asda's been pretty good with Mortal Realms. Not that I've relied on it mind - preorders with Forbidden Planet have never let me down.

I don’t know a single newsagents near my way that isn’t open.
However, I haven’t seen many or any people in them when I’ve been..

Newstand.co.uk just e-mailed to say they wont be receiving the imperium trial issues. Refund process seems to be a bit of a pain (especially as paid via paypal so should really be quick to automatically refund without me providing transaction details).

As expected.
I will expect the Imperium website with sign up to be around now too then..

http://warhammer40000imperium.com/ had some movement yesterday but so far its just pointing at a default Apache site.

Aeneades wrote:
Newstand.co.uk just e-mailed to say they wont be receiving the imperium trial issues. Refund process seems to be a bit of a pain (especially as paid via paypal so should really be quick to automatically refund without me providing transaction details).

I just asked them for a refund and gave them my Paypal details, hopefully that's all that I have to do.

So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?

It’s very likely to be the same as the previous two and only available to UK and Republic of Ireland initially. It may get releases in Australia or parts of Europe later but US release is unlikely.

Boo. Out of sheer anger, I will be forced to go buy a bunch of models and start yet another army. That'll teach them.

He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So when this site does go live, will US folks be able to subscribe, or would it make the savings irrelevant once shipping, etc.. is taken into account?

I've checked their FAQ. They do not ship outside of the UK, so no subscriptions or ordering back issues. (I thought it might be possible to pick up a few back issues of the previous magazine, but no go.)

Hachette won't

but Newstand.co.uk may work as a middle man when the real release happens as they will ship to the US.

the reason they cancelled folks orders now is this is only the trial release which will be highstreet only in a small area for Hachette to test sales numbers and they've probably realised they can't get them

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hachette won't

but Newstand.co.uk may work as a middle man when the real release happens as they will ship to the US.

the reason they cancelled folks orders now is this is only the trial release which will be highstreet only in a small area for Hachette to test sales numbers and they've probably realised they can't get them

Thanks for the tip. I guess you mean this site https://www.newsstand.co.uk/

At the moment, although they list Warhammer Mortal Realms and Conquest in the search engine, they do not have any back issues.

JWBS wrote:
He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.

Conquest and Mortal Realms.
It seems fairly likely he’s right though.


Anyway, we’ve always known this would be the trial to gauge interest.
We just need to all get subscribed ready once the site is up for when the initial release does commence.

JWBS wrote:
He has no reason to say any of that beyond the fact that Conquest had that release pattern.

Well sure 40k imperium might be first hachette product in us. How likely you think hachette changes their business patter precisely now?

Hatchette have always had a weird business model where they restrict the weekly/fortnightly newsagent release to the UK/Ireland and then back issues/mail order is only UK and for some reason excludes Ireland. I don’t know if this is some weird licensing issue or because they like turning away business?

 Horla wrote:
Hatchette have always had a weird business model where they restrict the weekly/fortnightly newsagent release to the UK/Ireland and then back issues/mail order is only UK and for some reason excludes Ireland. I don’t know if this is some weird licensing issue or because they like turning away business?

The cost of postage to Ireland rather than the UK for individual issues rather than a trade delivery via a newsagent supply chain?


If Hachette won't do back issues, do Forbidden Planet deliver? They never let me down for extrai issues I ordered. Additionally, they offered z discounted price per issue and free postage.