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 Charistoph wrote:

Aenar wrote:Eldar - 1) Ynnari

Realistically, it should be the other way around with Codex: Ynnari with Supplements: Craftworlds, Drukhari, and Exodites.

Neither really works. The supplement system GW has done only functions if the vast majority of the units are common to everyone that gets a supplement to the main codex.
Obviously exodites are largely undefined, but Craftworlds and Drukhari don't share much at all, if anything, since Harlies were shuffled back off into their own thing.

SM works because (BT exceptions aside) every snowflake using it can take everything from the main book, plus their own stuff in their specific supplement.

Chaos Marines don't work because TS and DG have been defined by their differences, stuff they get instead of common chaos marine stuff.

Similarly, neither Codex: Eldar or Codex: Ynnari would work that way. Craftworlds and Drukhari stuff is exclusive, and there's basically nothing (modelwise) in common. The main codex would be wafer thin, while the supplements would each be packed full of everything they've already got, which defeats the point of doing a Codex with supplements.

I think the supplements should only exist if they are going to encourage a very hard but alternate skew on a roster of units.

So whether its a Supplement or a Codex - a Ynnari book which leans very hard into taking assault-focused infantry and bikes from across the Aeldari range could be *interesting*. An Army of Incubi and Howling Banshee's isn't that interesting to me - but if someone else is into it, why not?

In the same way an Iyanden Supplement could be interesting if say Wraith Guard are troops - and your severely restricted on non-Ghost units, so it feels like a distinct thing beyond just "you play Eldar, but with a slightly different chapter tactic, psychic discipline, stratagems, warlord traits, relics and secondaries".

Because if it is just going to be that, just put it in the codex. Really isn't using up all that much space.

I agree on the Chaos side, if not a supplement for any Legion at least the other missing two.

Good idea on the Imperial Guard expanded to PDF, Blood Brother, Traitor Guard, Guevara etc. Probably it's the book that would be more interesting
But I would add also the Feudal Guard to go with the imperial knight to improve the army, and maybe some newcromunda inspired stuff.
A lot of conversion space.

Also, some other xeno races more detailed than Vespid to be included in the Tau codex.

Orks freebooters and Grots are another thing I'd like.

But, we should have bigger basic Codex, and supplements should have almost exclusively additional doctrines and such... Very very few specific miniatures.

Voss wrote:
SM works because (BT exceptions aside) every snowflake using it can take everything from the main book, plus their own stuff in their specific supplement.

Point of order - of the four armies that should still have a Codex but ended up with a Supplement, only the Blood Angels are able to access everything in the core SM 'dex. DA, DW & SW (as well as BT, who don't currently have a Supplement, but probably should in 2022) all have selection restrictions of varying degrees on page 124.

 Dysartes wrote:

Voss wrote:
SM works because (BT exceptions aside) every snowflake using it can take everything from the main book, plus their own stuff in their specific supplement.

Point of order - of the four armies that should still have a Codex but ended up with a Supplement, only the Blood Angels are able to access everything in the core SM 'dex. DA, DW & SW (as well as BT, who don't currently have a Supplement, but probably should in 2022) all have selection restrictions of varying degrees on page 124.

Mostly everything, then. Whatever. They can still use the vast, overwhelming majority of the book, and have their snowflake versions for the rest.

DW has some interesting organization alternatives instead, but still manage to largely reference the main codex. What you deem they 'should have' works perfectly well with this system.
But that isn't going to work for eldar.

I almost forgot that I would love to get Expedite... May be the only thing that could make me start an Eldar army...

Farsight Enclaves for sure. I am dying for a reason to buy Tau models but I just can't stand the way the army currently plays.

I'd quite like to see a full Codex release for WE and EC, though I'm less keen on more Daemon Primarchs turning up.

Having said that, seeing someone rock up with the four of them in one HERETIC ASTARTES Super-Heavy Detachment would be hilarious - no idea if it'd be any good, or what size game you'd be looking at (probably 2k or thereabouts), but it'd make for an impressive visual.

As Mortarion needs to be your warlord to be worth his points, and I expect Magnus as well as any further primarchs to follow suit, the army probably wouldn't be great.

Fun and awesome looking? Without doubt. After seeing the AoS slanesh releases, I defnitely want to them to do a 40k Fulgrim.

 Jidmah wrote:
As Mortarion needs to be your warlord to be worth his points, and I expect Magnus as well as any further primarchs to follow suit, the army probably wouldn't be great.

Fun and awesome looking? Without doubt. After seeing the AoS slanesh releases, I defnitely want to them to do a 40k Fulgrim.

the only thing i'd see is an Avatar meme...
With failbadon as Aang...

Sorry, but I'd like to see no codex supplements which all over the place in 7th and 8th ed.
Especially at the end of the 7th ed, nobody was able to gain an overview about all the changes made in all the supp. books.

Just pure codices for all factions and eventually some campaign supplements.
I'm a purist here.
The alternative would be starting another ed. This is what GW is doing anyway.

Voss wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Aenar wrote:Eldar - 1) Ynnari

Realistically, it should be the other way around with Codex: Ynnari with Supplements: Craftworlds, Drukhari, and Exodites.

Neither really works. The supplement system GW has done only functions if the vast majority of the units are common to everyone that gets a supplement to the main codex.
Obviously exodites are largely undefined, but Craftworlds and Drukhari don't share much at all, if anything, since Harlies were shuffled back off into their own thing.

SM works because (BT exceptions aside) every snowflake using it can take everything from the main book, plus their own stuff in their specific supplement.

Chaos Marines don't work because TS and DG have been defined by their differences, stuff they get instead of common chaos marine stuff.

Similarly, neither Codex: Eldar or Codex: Ynnari would work that way. Craftworlds and Drukhari stuff is exclusive, and there's basically nothing (modelwise) in common. The main codex would be wafer thin, while the supplements would each be packed full of everything they've already got, which defeats the point of doing a Codex with supplements.

It would not be Codex All Eldar plus supplements - it would be Craftworld Eldar plus Specific Craftworld/s Supplements same as you easily do Codex Drukhari and supplements for the various Covens, Kabals etc.

After all Marines don't pull from Codex: Imperium but have supplements for the sub-sub factions of the main human Faction.

Karol wrote:
That is an interesting claim considering most marines don't even make it in to the top 5 best armies in the game, and a lot don't even reach the 50% win rate.

Seems to me like the sub faction of chaos marines and CWE eldar are doing just fine and have great rules this editiion. Why shouldn't people playing other factions want or expect something similar?

You have to be trolling, tell me which CWE is doing "just fine" in 9th....

When I mentioned a possible Ynnari supplement I was thinking something like this: a supplement that works on top of the other existing aeldari codices that gives some extra rules (traits, strats, relics, ...), some limitations and the datasheets for the triumvirate of Ynnari characters.
As with the possible Agents of the Imperium supplement, something that collects stuff currently in campaign books.

While I'm generally against supplements for most armies; I feel an Imperial Agents Supplement, that would work with any Imperium army would be a decent thing. Inquisition, Assassins, PDF, Arbites, Rogue Trader/Mercenaries and any other minor imperial faction that's not really a whole army, but could show up to assist any other Imperial force in a campaign. Allowing them to be taken and not break any normal army rules, as a separate detachment.

Voss wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Aenar wrote:Eldar - 1) Ynnari

Realistically, it should be the other way around with Codex: Ynnari with Supplements: Craftworlds, Drukhari, and Exodites.

Neither really works. The supplement system GW has done only functions if the vast majority of the units are common to everyone that gets a supplement to the main codex.
Obviously exodites are largely undefined, but Craftworlds and Drukhari don't share much at all, if anything, since Harlies were shuffled back off into their own thing.

It could work, but it would be more unique among the current generation in that it both limits and expands at the same time. While other supplements are not working in this manner, it doesn't mean it cannot here. If you review the 3rd Ed DA codex, it was pretty much a supplement that added a few characters on top of "Please see Codex: Space Marines". Meanwhile SW codex of the same generation has only the Vehicles from Codex: Space Marines and provides modified units of literally everything else.

Voss wrote:Chaos Marines don't work because TS and DG have been defined by their differences, stuff they get instead of common chaos marine stuff.

It doesn't help that there is no unified Chaos codex, either, having split the Marines and Daemons apart. TS and DG focus on their God-focused armies fo both Marines and Daemons, and I advocated in the same post you quoted that Khorne and Slaanesh receive the same treatment, and for the same reasons.

What also is a problem in the same sphere where you have Word Bearers who ally with Daemons on a regular basis, while Black Legion just uses them as fodder, and Iron Warriors as weapons and fuel, and Night Lords generally don't bother, unless the warband's leader strikes up a deal..

Voss wrote:Similarly, neither Codex: Eldar or Codex: Ynnari would work that way. Craftworlds and Drukhari stuff is exclusive, and there's basically nothing (modelwise) in common. The main codex would be wafer thin, while the supplements would each be packed full of everything they've already got, which defeats the point of doing a Codex with supplements.

Oh, I disagree. Ynnari would carry the bulk, while the CW, DE, and EE all focus on what else they bring to the table, while excluding their cousin's options. They would then be smaller than their normal codex, but larger than the Ynnari book would be as a supplement..

Aenar wrote:When I mentioned a possible Ynnari supplement I was thinking something like this: a supplement that works on top of the other existing aeldari codices that gives some extra rules (traits, strats, relics, ...), some limitations and the datasheets for the triumvirate of Ynnari characters.
As with the possible Agents of the Imperium supplement, something that collects stuff currently in campaign books.

Either way, it would run in to a problem of one book being too small. Politically speaking Ynnari is Eldar united, which is why if there is a united book, it should provide the bulk of the options, and then separate from there. From a writing perspective, it would also allow for the books to be more balanced in size, instead of several decent codices and one tiny book that doesn't seem worth the effort to print.

 Charistoph wrote:

Oh, I disagree. Ynnari would carry the bulk, while the CW, DE, and EE all focus on what else they bring to the table, while excluding their cousin's options. They would then be smaller than their normal codex, but larger than the Ynnari book would be as a supplement..

I don't understand what you mean. Ynnari have 3 units. None of the eldar codexes share any unit whatsoever.
Asking for Ynnari to be the main book and then having supplements for Craftworlds/Drukhari/clowns is the same as if i was asking for Codex:Inquisition to become the main Imperium codex and then have : Admech, Astra militarum, sisters, bananas, etc as supplements.

Ynnari would work best as a supplement that can be tacked onto any of the three eldar codexes instead of being bound to a single one. Unless they decide to do a massive rework of the aeldari codexes (which we know theyre not since were getting a drukhari codex)

I'd love a leviathan supplement for tyranids...

Bring out the dominatrix!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Bring out the dominatrix!

Sure, but what about the Tyranids?

I'm still holding out hope for a plastic Dominatrix/Hierodule dual-kit as a plastic LoW. What are you thinking would be a in a leviathan supplement?

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Oh, I disagree. Ynnari would carry the bulk, while the CW, DE, and EE all focus on what else they bring to the table, while excluding their cousin's options. They would then be smaller than their normal codex, but larger than the Ynnari book would be as a supplement..

I don't understand what you mean. Ynnari have 3 units. None of the eldar codexes share any unit whatsoever.
Asking for Ynnari to be the main book and then having supplements for Craftworlds/Drukhari/clowns is the same as if i was asking for Codex:Inquisition to become the main Imperium codex and then have : Admech, Astra militarum, sisters, bananas, etc as supplements.

Ynnari would work best as a supplement that can be tacked onto any of the three eldar codexes instead of being bound to a single one. Unless they decide to do a massive rework of the aeldari codexes (which we know theyre not since were getting a drukhari codex)

Ynnari have 3 exclusive units. Go to Games Workshop's 40K page, expand Xenos Armies, and then select Ynnari. This is a little more than what I would use for them, but it sets the example of what I am speaking of.

And no, it would be more like having an Agents of the Imperium codex, then having Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Inquisition, and Assassins to supplement from.

 Charistoph wrote:

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Oh, I disagree. Ynnari would carry the bulk, while the CW, DE, and EE all focus on what else they bring to the table, while excluding their cousin's options. They would then be smaller than their normal codex, but larger than the Ynnari book would be as a supplement..

I don't understand what you mean. Ynnari have 3 units. None of the eldar codexes share any unit whatsoever.
Asking for Ynnari to be the main book and then having supplements for Craftworlds/Drukhari/clowns is the same as if i was asking for Codex:Inquisition to become the main Imperium codex and then have : Admech, Astra militarum, sisters, bananas, etc as supplements.

Ynnari would work best as a supplement that can be tacked onto any of the three eldar codexes instead of being bound to a single one. Unless they decide to do a massive rework of the aeldari codexes (which we know theyre not since were getting a drukhari codex)

Ynnari have 3 exclusive units. Go to Games Workshop's 40K page, expand Xenos Armies, and then select Ynnari. This is a little more than what I would use for them, but it sets the example of what I am speaking of.

And no, it would be more like having an Agents of the Imperium codex, then having Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Inquisition, and Assassins to supplement from.

I know ynnari has 3 units, thats what i said.

I feel like one of us isnt understanding the other...

 catbarf wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Bring out the dominatrix!

Sure, but what about the Tyranids?

I'm still holding out hope for a plastic Dominatrix/Hierodule dual-kit as a plastic LoW. What are you thinking would be a in a leviathan supplement?

Just being greedy here because it is my hive fleet. Certainly a plastic dominatrix would really get me excited though...probably more than any other new unit they could release - that or The Doom of Malan'tai...which I know isn't levi just would be cool as well.

For levi a special character swarmlord would be cool. Plus much improved and unique psychic tree. Levi got dumped on in PA so hard. Our new psychic power was so utterly pathetic - I literally have not played nids at all since I bought and played with that absolutely uninspired PA update.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
Ynnari have 3 exclusive units. Go to Games Workshop's 40K page, expand Xenos Armies, and then select Ynnari. This is a little more than what I would use for them, but it sets the example of what I am speaking of.

And no, it would be more like having an Agents of the Imperium codex, then having Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Inquisition, and Assassins to supplement from.

I know ynnari has 3 units, thats what i said.

I feel like one of us isnt understanding the other...

Well, when you ignore a key word and some suggestions for figuring it out, it's easy to understand who isn't understanding the other.