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**JNAProductions**

tneva82 wrote:
Tyel wrote:
The problem is its such a limiting factor. I really don't see why you should pay CP to get a bonus when almost every other faction's units in the game (sorry GSC) get one for just showing up.

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Uh you realize right there's plenty units beside gsc who don'tt get regiment/chapter/klan/whatever bonuses? I play neither gsc nor de yet 5/5 of my armies deal without such bonuses. Some of those are also staple of hard lists in hard faction.

Do you have any actual examples?

Because it's not Super Doctrine or Doctrine equivalents. GSC Genestealers don't get basic chapter tactics.

**Voss**

JNAProductions wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Tyel wrote:
The problem is its such a limiting factor. I really don't see why you should pay CP to get a bonus when almost every other faction's units in the game (sorry GSC) get one for just showing up.

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Uh you realize right there's plenty units beside gsc who don'tt get regiment/chapter/klan/whatever bonuses? I play neither gsc nor de yet 5/5 of my armies deal without such bonuses. Some of those are also staple of hard lists in hard faction.
Do you have any actual examples?

Because it's not Super Doctrine or Doctrine equivalents. GSC Genestealers don't get basic chapter tactics.

Grots and cultists come to mind for <clan> and <legion>.
A wide assortment of imperial guard things don't get <regiment>.
C'tan and Triach stuff don't get <dynasty>.

**Eldarsif**

Denegaar wrote:
Tyel wrote:
Isn't this standard?

I remember thinking DG were going to be kind of meh until the reveals actually started.

Even with the reveals.

People cried salt over these forums when most of the DG abilities were previewed. And next week with the Drukhari Reviews the same will happen.

Best advice that I was given the other day was just not to read much on the Internet and judge the Codex when the reveal hits (20th probably, on Youtube).

Who knows, maybe the book is just gakky. But maybe not.

Pretty much what I am going to do. The reveals have been so sparse that you can't really tell anything except +1 attack on most units and Splinter Cannon is now D2. Everything else is unknown and after the DG release I am cautiously optimistic.

**Tyel**

I didn't mean to imply GSC were the only faction to experience this - just that, in my view at least, they suffer from it more.

Genestealers and Patriarch? No.
Vehicles? No.
Brood Brothers? No.

Leading to the brilliance of half a custom chapter tactic that applied literally for a Magus (1 per detachment) and that's it.

**the_scotsman**

Voss wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Tyel wrote:
The problem is its such a limiting factor. I really don't see why you should pay CP to get a bonus when almost every other faction's units in the game (sorry GSC) get one for just showing up.

.

Uh you realize right there's plenty units beside gsc who don'tt get regiment/chapter/klan/whatever bonuses? I play neither gsc nor de yet 5/5 of my armies deal without such bonuses. Some of those are also staple of hard lists in hard faction.
Do you have any actual examples?

Because it's not Super Doctrine or Doctrine equivalents. GSC Genestealers don't get basic chapter tactics.

Grots and cultists come to mind for <clan> and <legion>.
A wide assortment of imperial guard things don't get <regiment>.
C'tan and Triach stuff don't get <dynasty>.

Yes. Again. Non-marine factions that get rules based on fluff generally lose gak because of that fluff.

If youre marines, your fluff that youre a separate group within a faction means you get bonus rules on top of your chapter trait, like "can only be wounded on 4+"

If youre non-marines, your fluff means you just dont get dynasty/cult/clan traits.

**Imateria**

PenitentJake wrote:

Funny you should mention that- I kinda liked the rule, my only problem is that nerfed Strength from Death is a terrible ability. If the trait had been worth having, the strat would have been awesome. And I thought it was really cool that Incubi, with their isolation from larger Drukhari society represented by their lack of access to Obsessions, could be so embraced by the Ynarri that they would have a sense of kinship and loyalty, represented by their access to the trait. Personally, I thought the strat should have applied to Banshees, as they were the ones who actually fought on Yvraine's side, or that at the very least, the trait should have been available to them in addition to the Incubi.

What? Banshees already get SfD if they're Ynnari, Incubi are literally the only unit you can take in an Ynnari detachment that don't get SfD as standard. And Incubi were Yvraines first followers along with her Bloodbrides from the Cult she was with.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-look-inside-the-book-of-rust/
Looks like the Drukhari rules in the new supplement book are just Supplement Cult of Strife. So if you prefer Coven or Kabal, sucks to be you.

**Tyran**

Servitors don't get Chapter Tactics, and they are marines, neither do Marines with the Beast keyword.

**Imateria**

Tyran wrote:
Servitors don't get Chapter Tactics, and they are marines, neither do Marines with the Beast keyword.

What Marines have the Beast Keyword?

**warmaster21**

Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

**harlokin**

warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

I understand the point of view, but as a Drukhari player I don't begrudge the opportunity to spend money on my hobby, my beef with GW is them not bringing out stuff for my chosen faction.

That said, I don't know whether to read the article as ...."if you want Cult of Strife the rules will be in The Book of Rust", or "additional rules for Cult of Strife will be in The Book of Rust"

**Daedalus81**

Imateria wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

Funny you should mention that- I kinda liked the rule, my only problem is that nerfed Strength from Death is a terrible ability. If the trait had been worth having, the strat would have been awesome. And I thought it was really cool that Incubi, with their isolation from larger Drukhari society represented by their lack of access to Obsessions, could be so embraced by the Ynarri that they would have a sense of kinship and loyalty, represented by their access to the trait. Personally, I thought the strat should have applied to Banshees, as they were the ones who actually fought on Yvraine's side, or that at the very least, the trait should have been available to them in addition to the Incubi.

What? Banshees already get SfD if they're Ynnari, Incubi are literally the only unit you can take in an Ynnari detachment that don't get SfD as standard. And Incubi were Yvraines first followers along with her Bloodbrides from the Cult she was with.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-look-inside-the-book-of-rust/
Looks like the Drukhari rules in the new supplement book are just Supplement Cult of Strife. So if you prefer Coven or Kabal, sucks to be you.

Yeaaaa....I think most people will be better off getting a pen and paper and writing down the parts they need from the reviews. Good grief.

**PenitentJake**

warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Cult of Strife will have enough in the dex to be solid. To say NEED is disingenuous; the only people who NEED anything outside a Codex are meta-chasers and loyalists who choose to play an army with a supplement. The rest of us buy it because we WANT it.

And I'm sorry you have a low opinion of Crusade, but quite frankly, it's the only way I'm interested in playing. There may not be as many people playing Crusade as there are matched, especially on Dakka, but our game is just as valid as yours. I didn't expect much Crusade content in this book, because we're getting a separate mission pack for Crusade, but I'm happy to see there's a bit of stuff there for us too.

**Daedalus81**

harlokin wrote:
That said, I don't know whether to read the arcticle as ...."if you want Cult of Strife the rules will be in The Book of Rust", or "additional rules for Cult of Strife will be in The Book of Rust"

I'm going with the former. The DE book was intended to be out before now and this would tack on.

**PenitentJake**

Daedalus81 wrote:
harlokin wrote:
That said, I don't know whether to read the arcticle as ...."if you want Cult of Strife the rules will be in The Book of Rust", or "additional rules for Cult of Strife will be in The Book of Rust"

I'm going with the former. The DE book was intended to be out before now and this would tack on.

It is definitely additional rules. Piety and Pain was always going to be released with the dex, and Lelith's in the box. If she's in the box, she'll be in the dex, and if she is the Cult of Strife must also be there. There's no way they would write a dex without including Cult of Strife content.

If they did, sell your stock, because that would truly be the beginning of the end... And that's coming from a GW apologist.

**Daedalus81**

PenitentJake wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
harlokin wrote:
That said, I don't know whether to read the arcticle as ...."if you want Cult of Strife the rules will be in The Book of Rust", or "additional rules for Cult of Strife will be in The Book of Rust"

I'm going with the former. The DE book was intended to be out before now and this would tack on.

It is definitely additional rules. Piety and Pain was always going to be released with the dex, and Lelith's in the box. If she's in the box, she'll be in the dex, and if she is the Cult of Strife must also be there. There's no way they would write a dex without including Cult of Strife content.

If they did, sell your stock, because that would truly be the beginning of the end... And that's coming from a GW apologist.

Yea I feel similarly, but my gut is just going the other direction at the moment.

**harlokin**

I tend to agree for similar reasons...Cult of Strife are the biggest Wych Cult, you cant just leave them out of the codex.

**Imateria**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Imateria wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

Funny you should mention that- I kinda liked the rule, my only problem is that nerfed Strength from Death is a terrible ability. If the trait had been worth having, the strat would have been awesome. And I thought it was really cool that Incubi, with their isolation from larger Drukhari society represented by their lack of access to Obsessions, could be so embraced by the Ynarri that they would have a sense of kinship and loyalty, represented by their access to the trait. Personally, I thought the strat should have applied to Banshees, as they were the ones who actually fought on Yvraine's side, or that at the very least, the trait should have been available to them in addition to the Incubi.

What? Banshees already get SfD if they're Ynnari, Incubi are literally the only unit you can take in an Ynnari detachment that don't get SfD as standard. And Incubi were Yvraines first followers along with her Bloodbrides from the Cult she was with.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-look-inside-the-book-of-rust/
Looks like the Drukhari rules in the new supplement book are just Supplement Cult of Strife. So if you prefer Coven or Kabal, sucks to be you.

Yeaaaa....I think most people will be better off getting a pen and paper and writing down the parts they need from the reviews. Good grief.

A friend of mine has his AdMech painted up in Metalica colours and use House Raven with them so I know he's getting the book, I can just take a photo of the pages I need and be done with it. There is so little content in this book for a Drukhari player that it's not worth buying.

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harlokin wrote:
I tend to agree for similar reasons...Cult of Strife are the biggest Wych Cult, you can just leave them out of the codex.

You really can't, there's so little fluff around any of the other Cults that we'd only be left with 2 Cult traits and no real candidate to make a 3rd.

**Tyel**

I highly doubt they'll be left out of the codex. This will just involve giving them moar stuff.

I.E. "When you reach the Excruciating Doctrine, all Cult of Strife units do an extra damage on a turn they charged. Yeah, whose saying Lelith sucks now? Buy our book ya scrubs".

**Tyran**

Imateria wrote:
Tyran wrote:
Servitors don't get Chapter Tactics, and they are marines, neither do Marines with the Beast keyword.

What Marines have the Beast Keyword?

Fenrisian wolves.

**Daedalus81**

Well...if we approach it like marines - the chapter rule is in there as well as a trait and relic. Then specific strats and expanded options are in the Supplement. It could be similar to that with the exception that all the datasheets are still codex proper.

**harlokin**

Imateria wrote:

harlokin wrote:
I tend to agree for similar reasons...Cult of Strife are the biggest Wych Cult, you can just leave them out of the codex.

You really can't, there's so little fluff around any of the other Cults that we'd only be left with 2 Cult traits and no real candidate to make a 3rd.

I meant can't ...I blame my afternoon beer

**Catulle**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Yeaaaa....I think most people will be better off getting a pen and paper and writing down the parts they need from the reviews. Good grief.

Well, definitely not red grief...

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Imateria wrote:
You really can't, there's so little fluff around any of the other Cults that we'd only be left with 2 Cult traits and no real candidate to make a 3rd.

The Blade Denied are *right* there! (And have a really neat schtick!)

Though the Seventh Woe and Pain Eternal are *also* represented on the aged transfer sheet, I should note.

**PenitentJake**

Imateria wrote:

A friend of mine has his AdMech painted up in Metalica colours and use House Raven with them so I know he's getting the book, I can just take a photo of the pages I need and be done with it. There is so little content in this book for a Drukhari player that it's not worth buying.

Yeah, if you just want the Drukhari content and have no interest in the campaign or the bit of Crusade content that's in here, I totally agree.

I want the Crusade content, and I might play some campaign games... Not sure yet. The Ogryn/ Ratling defense of the Penal colony from February's White Dwarf struck me as being particularly cool, and a cool excuse to build an interesting prison table with Ratling sized tunnels between Ogryn cell blocks.

**the_scotsman**

warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

**Octopoid**

the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

**VladimirHerzog**

Octopoid wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

No need to pirate anything, we just need to watch the numerous videos that GW themselves greenlit from multiple content creators that litterally go film the new books page by page.

**harlokin**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Octopoid wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

No need to pirate anything, we just need to watch the numerous videos that GW themselves greenlit from multiple content creators that litterally go film the new books page by page.

Exactly.

At most, what is Cult of Strife likely to be - Lelith Hesperax, one Obsession, one Warlord Trait, one or two Stratagems, and one Relic.

None of that is painful to get off Battlescribe if you aren't inclined to buy the book.

**the_scotsman**

Octopoid wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

....Are you under the impression that the various youtubers get together bimonthly on some sort of flying zeppelin craft and launch daring raids on the Games Workshop factories in china in order to mysteriously always seem to have the book ready to go when preorders go up?

I was kind of operating on the idea that Games Workshop mails them to them, but your concept I will admit is more exciting.

"Ocean's 40: K!"

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harlokin wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Octopoid wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

No need to pirate anything, we just need to watch the numerous videos that GW themselves greenlit from multiple content creators that litterally go film the new books page by page.

Exactly.

At most, what is Cult of Strife likely to be - Lelith Hesperax, one Obsession, one Warlord Trait, one or two Stratagems, and one Relic.

None of that is painful to get off Battlescribe if you aren't inclined to buy the book.

I'm guessing they'll have 6 traits, 6 relics, and some kind of unique gimmick that ties into whatever drukhari's new pure 1 faction bonus gimmick is.

**Octopoid**

the_scotsman wrote:
Octopoid wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
Or an alternate take, If you are a cult of strife player, sucks to be you having to buy 2 books to play your army.

Needing to buy a full priced book for 4 pages of rules (which im sure 1 page is relevent, the rest is probably artwork, crusade and other gak)

Are we larping in the alt universe where any rules content in any book isnt instantly available online and if you just want a small bit you cant get it except by buying the book?

I think we're trying not to encourage piracy, since that's, y'know, against the Terms of Service for Dakka.

....Are you under the impression that the various youtubers get together bimonthly on some sort of flying zeppelin craft and launch daring raids on the Games Workshop factories in china in order to mysteriously always seem to have the book ready to go when preorders go up?

I was kind of operating on the idea that Games Workshop mails them to them, but your concept I will admit is more exciting.

"Ocean's 40: K!"

Sarcasm aside, I'm pretty sure GW doesn't want you taking screenshots of the reviews posted by YouTubers and using them in lieu of buying the books, but hey, I could be mistaken. Maybe GW doesn't like making money off their books.

Who knows? Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread.

**yukishiro1**

The fact that they keep sending books to people who post them in their entirety on youtube reviews suggests that they don't really care if you, well, read what's shown to you.