Here come the pointy elves

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**Xenomancers**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Canadian 5th wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Is Guilliman known for his attractiveness and sensuality? Do you think the fact that he isn't might be the reason that wasn't the focus of the discussion? "Sensual" comes from GW's own description of the character, not anyone else's. Lelith's sensuality is literally what GW itself told us the character is all about, so of course people are going to mention it.

You seem to have an axe to grind against hypothetical people and you are trying to force the comments of actual people here into your hypothetical square peg so you shoot them down. It's a poor way to have a discussion.

Ironically, it seems like if you have reason to be angry with anyone here, you should be angry at GW for its flavor text for the character, not with people who say that the model doesn't reflect it.

What about her current sculpt makes Lelith less sensual? Can women not be strong and sensual or...?

Do you think that model looks, in GW's words: "grace embodied," "hypnotic," "sensual" and "spellbinding?" I've asked the thread this three times now, and got zero responses from anyone. I have to assume that's because nobody actually does think that model is "grace embodied." She looks angry and/or constipated. Nothing about that model is graceful, hypnotic, sensual or spellbinding. If you want a model that looks graceful, hypnotic, sensual and spellbinding, look up the Keeper of Secrets. That hits all those notes, this model hits none.

Nobody said women can't be strong and sensual except you. Please cut the straw men, it's a waste of everyone's time. The issue is that this sculpt does not look like "grace embodied," "hypnotic," "sensual" and "spellbinding," not that it's impossible for a muscular woman to be those things in theory.

she fits that description better than her old model IMO

I disagree - though the old model is actually quite bad. The standard succubus looks much better https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Succubus-2014. I really like mine. I also converted another out of a standard witch hecatrix which I believe looks even better.

**yukishiro1**

the_scotsman wrote:
AngryAngel80 wrote:

This is literally opinion at its finest with beauty being quite snug in the eye of beholder. Maybe some people like sexier or their version of it looking women ? Maybe some don't, maybe some want super huge He men, maybe some don't. Like for me ? I liked the older one, this one doesn't fit my styles, I'd use it if I wanted to use the character and didn't have her already.

Honestly, just because it's repetitive and tiresome. If there was some dude who chimed in every time GW released a model for a male figure and called him wimpy and scrawny and weak looking if he didn't have the same arm size to head size ratio from the 3rd ed plastic catachans, I'd probably start trolling that guy too.

But there isn't any such person here in this thread. That's the issue. You started "trolling" (your word, not mine) random people who had never said any of the things you were angry about, just because they happened to express an opinion about a totally different miniature, for reasons specific to that miniature only, that triggered you because it reminded you of other discussions about different miniatures for different reasons. That's a you problem, not a them problem.

I won't belabor the point beyond this.

**Xenomancers**

Imateria wrote:
Castozor wrote:
So ignoring whether or not a new model accurately reflects the in-universe beauty standards for her race for a moment, how good would a pure Cabal force be with this new Dex? While I generally don't like (pretend) Elves I have to say DE look really interesting with their playstyle of stuffing everything in transports and zooming around the map. Since I don't have a lot of money to burn at the moment, I was eyeing the new Combat Patrol to get a start on a Cabal army but I'm not familiar with DE at all. No one here plays (Dark) Eldar and as such I lack the experience to judge the new codex for myself.

My initial opinion is that a pure Kabal force will work fine but wont be great. From everything I've seen Drukhari are now very much a combat army with some decent shooting support but the shooting isn't good enough to rely on heavily.

2 of the new Combat Patrols and 2 of the old Wych Cult start collecting boxes if you can find them will give you more than 1500pts so you'll have a couple options, the Wyches, Incubi and characters will be able to leverage the combat potential of the army while the Ravagers and Venoms can provide some fire support. Actually looks like you can build a decent army that way.

How do you plan to deploy witches?
Venoms?
Raiders?
Outflank?
Webways strike?

I feel like 5/6 man units wont get much done and wont survive multiple rounds...so 10 man at least will be needed. Blood brides in raider is probably what I am gonna do with my witches and just 1 unit of witch will sufice for me.
So I feel Venoms is out...plus the Venom seems a little overcosted right now but it does have fair firepower...The raider is basically the same price - is tougher - and has a dark lance (which is nasty).

Webway gives you the option for 20 man squads - or you can sneak them up the board - 20 man witches could really get some work done and bog down a combat for multiple turns. If you can keep the in combat they will probably win and objective for multiple turns and could be a big winner.

**yukishiro1**

You can't really rely on the anti-fallback IMO, it's still just a little bit too unreliable to plan around. It's a nice bonus when it works, but I wouldn't plan my strategy around it.

Right now 10-mans in raiders look like they're probably the way to go to me.

**ingtaer**

Okay people, it is time to step back and take a breath. The conversational tangent about the aesthetics and portrayal of female minis (including the new Lelith), is really boring by now and always ends in a multitude of rule breaking posts so we will end it now. Further posts on that subject will earn their author a warning or a suspension as required.
Thanks.