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I only play the odd 2nd ed or 5th ed games with certain gaming mates. In their gaming sheds, or at the club.

I don't play in stores or tournaments. I've never been keen on the 40k tourney scene, going back to 2nd edition. Some of the d-bags left when 3rd dropped, but they seem to have returned after Wm/h last edition change left a bad taste in their mouths.

Or you guys could just find a different gaming group if you don't like that group. Play with who you want and don't play with who you don't want to play. It's consent of both parties.

As far as the -ism complaints go I find it interesting. A lot of the people complaining about that probably found conservative religion silly for making women modest in the 80s and 90s. Funny how they don't respect their views but wish theirs to be respected when it still ended in making women more modestly portrayed (less sexy) in the end.

Granted I don't like raging heroes or similar odd super sexualized tabletop minis but to each their own. I don't exactly like sparkle vampires either but I don't dictate what young girls do with their hobbies. At worst I just teased about the idea but I don't exactly replace Edward from twilight with a roided action hero with Michael bay explosions going off everywhere. I'm just not the intended market and the fans of that particular thing deserve their hobby to love like any other fan in their hobby. As long as it's not like basically illegal levels of bad.

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As far as offensive humor goes I try to keep it to a lower volume so only the people in the small group which all want to joke around end up hearing it. I don't tend to throw out too many offensive jokes myself but I think there's something different between a joke about legit laughing at suffering and just joking about some stereotype. I laugh at my own groups stereotypes. I find people that get offended now over-correct way too hard. I don't mind people of any race, sex, preference or whatever. We all tease each other because we see each other all as friends....or at least that's what I figured originally.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Or you guys could just find a different gaming group if you don't like that group. Play with who you want and don't play with who you don't want to play. It's consent of both parties.

As far as the -ism complaints go I find it interesting. A lot of the people complaining about that probably found conservative religion silly for making women modest in the 80s and 90s. Funny how they don't respect their views but wish theirs to be respected when it still ended in making women more modestly portrayed (less sexy) in the end.

Granted I don't like raging heroes or similar odd super sexualized tabletop minis but to each their own. I don't exactly like sparkle vampires either but I don't dictate what young girls do with their hobbies. At worst I just teased about the idea but I don't exactly replace Edward from twilight with a roided action hero with Michael bay explosions going off everywhere. I'm just not the intended market and the fans of that particular thing deserve their hobby to love like any other fan in their hobby. As long as it's not like basically illegal levels of bad.

1) Your first sentence is literally the subject of the OP: OP doesn't want to game with the local group that they know about. Most people are advising they just find some curated group, because there's a strong correlation of gakky people with zero social skills when you sort people only by "likes game" and no other metric.

2) The rest of this is so off of the topic at hand that it just feels like you're trying to bring back up the subject that got the drukhari general discussion thread locked. Don't do that.

From what I see here, 9th edition is a refinement of 8th, but doesn't fix any of the real factors that made me not like it. It's so complicated and feels overwhelming to me.

This is also more and more my feeling.
If you have no way to practice gaming, it makes not much sense.

You want to hear the dumbest and most depressing response ever?

Build a second army and play WH40K by yourself. I've done it.

TLR version - I, like you, got into WH40K when I was younger (in 1989). I spent lots of my high-school cash on WH40K stuff and had a blast. After college, I put everything away, hoping to find other people who played, but because I live in the rural south that was a pipedream. After a couple of years I threw everything away. Yes, everything, including a fully painted set of original pewter Harlequin models and the WH40K compendium that included their rules. Because I had no one who was interested.

When Dawn of War came out in the early 2000's, my interest was piqued again and I started playing T'au. Eventually I bought back in. By this time I had kids and taught my older boys to play. By 2015 I was working at a college and was teaching lots of college kids to play. Went through a summer where we got 8-12 people together one night a week and played 3-8 games every time. But, as usual, I overcommitted. Now, six years later, I have more money than ever before, a huge Space Marine army, some imperial guard, some orcs, some T'au, some Tyranids, one Imperial knight, and nobody to play WH40K with.

So, sometimes I'll write up army lists and then I'll just set everything up and play against myself. /shrug Whatever. It's not as much fun as playing against someone else, but it does allow me to keep the rust off.

 dadx6 wrote:
You want to hear the dumbest and most depressing response ever?

Build a second army and play WH40K by yourself. I've done it.

TLR version - I, like you, got into WH40K when I was younger (in 1989). I spent lots of my high-school cash on WH40K stuff and had a blast. After college, I put everything away, hoping to find other people who played, but because I live in the rural south that was a pipedream. After a couple of years I threw everything away. Yes, everything, including a fully painted set of original pewter Harlequin models and the WH40K compendium that included their rules. Because I had no one who was interested.

When Dawn of War came out in the early 2000's, my interest was piqued again and I started playing T'au. Eventually I bought back in. By this time I had kids and taught my older boys to play. By 2015 I was working at a college and was teaching lots of college kids to play. Went through a summer where we got 8-12 people together one night a week and played 3-8 games every time. But, as usual, I overcommitted. Now, six years later, I have more money than ever before, a huge Space Marine army, some imperial guard, some orcs, some T'au, some Tyranids, one Imperial knight, and nobody to play WH40K with.

So, sometimes I'll write up army lists and then I'll just set everything up and play against myself. /shrug Whatever. It's not as much fun as playing against someone else, but it does allow me to keep the rust off.

That was indeed depressing, but kudos to you, not many people can own that sort of stuff and tell it like that. I hope you find someone to play with in your area soon, if you managed to get college kids to play, the you are the type of person capable of launching a playing group anywhere (and federating it and keeping it going). Good luck mate, and again, power to you !

the_scotsman wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Or you guys could just find a different gaming group if you don't like that group. Play with who you want and don't play with who you don't want to play. It's consent of both parties.

As far as the -ism complaints go I find it interesting. A lot of the people complaining about that probably found conservative religion silly for making women modest in the 80s and 90s. Funny how they don't respect their views but wish theirs to be respected when it still ended in making women more modestly portrayed (less sexy) in the end.

Granted I don't like raging heroes or similar odd super sexualized tabletop minis but to each their own. I don't exactly like sparkle vampires either but I don't dictate what young girls do with their hobbies. At worst I just teased about the idea but I don't exactly replace Edward from twilight with a roided action hero with Michael bay explosions going off everywhere. I'm just not the intended market and the fans of that particular thing deserve their hobby to love like any other fan in their hobby. As long as it's not like basically illegal levels of bad.

1) Your first sentence is literally the subject of the OP: OP doesn't want to game with the local group that they know about. Most people are advising they just find some curated group, because there's a strong correlation of gakky people with zero social skills when you sort people only by "likes game" and no other metric.

2) The rest of this is so off of the topic at hand that it just feels like you're trying to bring back up the subject that got the drukhari general discussion thread locked. Don't do that.

Well honestly i didn't jump into the conversation until Xenomancer made the obvious point everybody could see, from the OPs original post. which got us off on the second half of that first sentence because it was relevant to the nature of the question. so it wasn't as off topic as you make it seem.

wuestenfux wrote:

From what I see here, 9th edition is a refinement of 8th, but doesn't fix any of the real factors that made me not like it. It's so complicated and feels overwhelming to me.

This is also more and more my feeling.
If you have no way to practice gaming, it makes not much sense.

I stopped playing for a while back when 6th dropped because it was such a bad edition (even GW killed it after only 14 months), but at least i kept up with the lore and the model releases. 7th brought it back some until formations spammed it to death. At this point it is a toss up to me as to which edition is the worst GW has ever made 6th or 9th, right now i still think 6th edges out a win here, but it is a close call. at this point not only have i lost all interest in following the game in 9th edition, i have stopped following the lore and miniature releases. (the only lore i am currently following is ARCH's fantastic re-telling of the war for badab-even though i have the FW books)

It is why i have founded and expanded on a group of like minded players who like playing older editions (5th) of normal 40K or epic 40K and i can tell you it is much more fun the use the huge mini collection i already have for a (personal perspective) much more fun game where i don't have to chase the meta, deal with new game mechanics that are poorly designed or buy constant updates in books and minis.

But then i also have the benefit of 40K not being the only miniature game i play, so i am not locked into it like some of the mono focused gamers who play 40k/GW exclusively.

Speaking of, Tabletop Simulator is on sale until March 29th.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
...If you can't handle people saying words you don't like around you. You are what we call intolerant.
Which is defined as - "not tolerant of views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own."

I guess you should be intolerant of some things. Like...physical violence/ vandalism / criminal acts...but...words? Likely spoken in a joking manner? Please. We are human beings. No one is perfect...

This is a horrendous oversimplification that assumes that you have no right to expect others to be tolerant of you in any way.

If you're not comfortable in a group, or if you're not having fun with a game, leaving is not a failure of tolerance. Not everyone in the world enjoys everyone else's company, and it isn't some kind of deep moral failing to not hang out with people you don't like or play games you don't enjoy.

Tolerance isn't expecting anything out of anyone though - it is really just expecting something out of yourself. I think I have some idea of what actually happened here but I could be wrong. Word choice is pretty obvious.
Man-Children, and casual sexism in the same sentence? Yeah okay...I'd love to give the benefit of the doubt but I can pretty much assure you this isn't a fun person to be around. Likely stirring up issues instead of focusing on the game. Taking everything the wrong way deliberately and taking offense about it.

I can tell you on 1 hand how many times sexism comes up as a topic in 40k games lol...0 times man.

I think it's interesting that a few takes here boil down to:
"I say slurs in the privacy of my own home or amongst my friends at the FLGS."
or
"I say slurs in the privacy of my own home but would never in public!"

Which I think pretty much solidifies OPs point.

Rihgu wrote:
I think it's interesting that a few takes here boil down to:
"I say slurs in the privacy of my own home or amongst my friends at the FLGS."
or
"I say slurs in the privacy of my own home but would never in public!"

Which I think pretty much solidifies OPs point.

Yep :(

Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, Tabletop Simulator is on sale until March 29th.

More infos would be nice.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Speaking of, Tabletop Simulator is on sale until March 29th.

More infos would be nice.

Tabletop Simulator is a rough-and-ready physics-based application available on Steam that you can use to play board games online, with friends anywhere and integrated Discord chat.

I love that I've been able to play with my brothers who live across Canada, and likewise with similarly spread-out friends. So if you're not compatible with the local group, or you have friends and gaming-buddies that have moved away, it's great.

TTS is a Sandbox game with mechanics focused on Boardgames

can do everything, from playing chess to playing 10.000 points Warhammer or 28mm Scale Adeptus Titanicus (if you create those) and flipping the table if needed

TTS amazing!

If you search for the TTS battleforged resources, there is a community-managed kit of materials for 40k that is very easy to get started with.

Assuming this isn't against the rules to post, here's a github repository with a huge collection of 40k mods and instructions on how to install it, to get you going without needing to dig through steam workshop

https://github.com/TTSWarhammer40k/Battleforged-Workshop-Mod-Compilation

There is a free version of it that is a little more difficult to get started on but it works fine. I have played may games on it. I can tell you though. Playing 40k is this way is absolute trash. It certainly helped me out understanding my attachment to the hobby. For me it is really about the models.

 Xenomancers wrote:
There is a free version of it that is a little more difficult to get started on but it works fine. I have played may games on it. I can tell you though. Playing 40k is this way is absolute trash. It certainly helped me out understanding my attachment to the hobby. For me it is really about the models.

TTS is definitely no replacement for the real thing. Though I have VR, which makes it a bit nicer, but still doesn't feel the same.

TTS takes some getting used to - and while it isn't a substitute for the physicality of of playing the real game, it has a number of advantages:

(1) Huge library of models, terrain, and game assets to tap into. Very easy to build and save army lists.

(2) You can play over the internet with friends / people anywhere in the world.

(3) You can save your games and easily play over multiple sessions. Starting and stopping is a snap.

(4) Tooltips! Do you know how awesome it is to be able to hover over a model and have all of its stats and special rules pop up? Mind blown!

(5) Lots of great automation features - die rollers, timers, point trackers, etc.

(6) It can be extremely immersive, with the camera eye being able to float way down and get a better model's eye view than you can in real life.

See my gallery and images below from some recent TTS games:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-114912-64503_Tts.html