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ccs wrote:

What I didn't see? Hardly any of the court figures - the Medusai, the snake guy, etc

My bet is far fewer of those are in the wild, because of prior rules and much higher demand than before.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

I dunno man shops that have been in my local area and a bit beyond have been open for years only to close up and go out of business due to harsh corona lockdowns. An Asian diner nearby for years closed, another set up in the same area and also closed only for a 3rd to open in the same spot. Not only that but fast food has had trouble staffing people and at a mere mile or two away a fast food joint which normally takes 15 mins to bring food said it'd take an hour then after said hour of waiting they forgot to put the order in after I ok'd it with them and the mentioned it back to me during placing said order. Places here are being short staffed and many stores are going under. The local Best Buy even closed its doors after years of being there. Granted its mostly restaurants and small business dying.

I honestly don't know if my local gw's or game stores will survive. Keep in mind gw isn't even open for gaming which is forcing most local players to play somewhere else and possibly buy somewhere else. Honestly given the pandemic i dont know what to say anymore. What if GW goes under? I'd be a bit shocked but I was also shocked when whfb was discontinued. Tabletop dudes-men might be low on priorities and a lot of virtual things like online gaming may pick up the slack.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

Woah white knight sorry I said your favorite toy company was trash right now. I mean COVID has been going on since March 2020 and Brexit started Jan 2020.

I’m sorry I offended you about the company you buy your shiny new toys from. Fortunately until they fix their production issues I won’t be buying anything from them. Saves me some money.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ccs wrote:

What I didn't see? Hardly any of the court figures - the Medusai, the snake guy, etc

My bet is far fewer of those are in the wild, because of prior rules and much higher demand than before.

I do admit though that I did not look beyond p.20. Nor type in their exact names. So they might be there as used singles.

ccs wrote:

 addnid wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
they've been winning something like 70% of games at competitive events I bet loads rushed out to buy them for that reason.

Probably didn't expect gw to Jeff them so fast though.

Check ebay.

There won’t be nothing on eBay, aside maybe for wracks.

Yeah, I only found 20+ pages of stuff....
If I were in the market for Drukari/Dark Eldar I'd have zero trouble ordering up a typical meta list.
What I didn't see? Hardly any of the court figures - the Medusai, the snake guy, etc

So they wuold be getting rid of their drukhari for what army ? What army is/seems higher tier ? Ad mech ? Sisters (based on the leaks ?)
In Europe Drukhari is still hard to come by (at a decent price), perhaps US is different, lucky you americans then

 Jammer87 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

Woah white knight sorry I said your favorite toy company was trash right now. I mean COVID has been going on since March 2020 and Brexit started Jan 2020.

I’m sorry I offended you about the company you buy your shiny new toys from. Fortunately until they fix their production issues I won’t be buying anything from them. Saves me some money.

You do realize that anti COVID measures slow down production, do you? Disinfecting stuff takes time, and distancing means less people can work in production lines and/or have to wait for people to clear areas.
On top of that, global logistics are fethed up because countries are under lockdown and have long lines at their borders and/or require tests from those entering, even just for the purpose of driving through.
Companies are struggling to get base materials for the production of high quality plastics and steels because of this.
How do I know this? The company I work for is facing the same issues, and just like GW they are offering a premium product that is selling faster than it can be produced.

This has nothing to do with white knighting. You are just being a Karen.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Honestly given the pandemic i dont know what to say anymore. What if GW goes under? I'd be a bit shocked but I was also shocked when whfb was discontinued. Tabletop dudes-men might be low on priorities and a lot of virtual things like online gaming may pick up the slack.

The sky is not falling.

For the same reason the humble Theatre and live plays survives in the era of billion pound movies, gw and table top gaming will survive. Gw won't 'go under'. They'll still be here in 20 years.

One thing lockdown has taught a lot of people is the need to get away from screens. If anything, traditional hobbies have had a resurgence of interest, gw and 40k included.

As to wfb. Wfb wasnt selling. At one point it was 3% of their sales. Marines outsold the entirely of wfb. It was sad that it went away but no sensible business would do any different if faced with the same scenario. At least they sent it down the swans path in a blaze of glory.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

I honestly don't know if my local gw's or game stores will survive. Keep in mind gw isn't even open for gaming which is forcing most local players to play somewhere else and possibly buy somewhere else. Honestly given the pandemic i dont know what to say anymore. What if GW goes under? I'd be a bit shocked but I was also shocked when whfb was discontinued. Tabletop dudes-men might be low on priorities and a lot of virtual things like online gaming may pick up the slack.

No chance of that happening, GW is making money hand over fist and their share price is soaring. They are making plenty of money, but their supply issues just mean they aren't making all of it.

Local bricks and mortars hobby retailers are probably in a much darker place. They've been forced to close for months at a time and a lot of their customers have moved to online retailers. Even now they've been allowed to reopen they are out of stock of a lot of things due to supply issues. I keep having to order hobby supplies online because my local store doesn't have stuff I need urgently.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

he local Best Buy even closed its doors after years of being there..

oh no, not Best Buy, the most relevant and also small business in 2021 - next you'll be saying the Rona Reaper is coming for Radio Shack, Blockbuster Video and Lightning Fast VCR Repair!!!

 Jidmah wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

Woah white knight sorry I said your favorite toy company was trash right now. I mean COVID has been going on since March 2020 and Brexit started Jan 2020.

I’m sorry I offended you about the company you buy your shiny new toys from. Fortunately until they fix their production issues I won’t be buying anything from them. Saves me some money.

You do realize that anti COVID measures slow down production, do you? Disinfecting stuff takes time, and distancing means less people can work in production lines and/or have to wait for people to clear areas.
On top of that, global logistics are fethed up because countries are under lockdown and have long lines at their borders and/or require tests from those entering, even just for the purpose of driving through.
Companies are struggling to get base materials for the production of high quality plastics and steels because of this.
How do I know this? The company I work for is facing the same issues, and just like GW they are offering a premium product that is selling faster than it can be produced.

This has nothing to do with white knighting. You are just being a Karen.

Agree. So many have zero clue concerning production, supply chains, & the challenges involved.

It's like they actually believe our toys etc are made at the north pole by elves & magically delivered to store shelves. Or that stores can just press the button on the Star Trek replicator & "poof" there it is. Might work for Picard, but we're far from that ability....

 the_scotsman wrote:
oh no, not Best Buy, the most relevant and also small business in 2021 - next you'll be saying the Rona Reaper is coming for Radio Shack, Blockbuster Video and Lightning Fast VCR Repair!!!

Ames...Bradbury's...Aladdin's Castle anyone?

There was a moment, when recasters here run out of resin making wrecks. So it was good for business, I see the number of boxs being send out all across the world and it big pile.

Karol wrote:
There was a moment, when recasters here run out of resin making wrecks. So it was good for business, I see the number of boxs being send out all across the world and it big pile.

Hah. Sounds like some people should have waited a month.

Impuls buying of western folk has its good side. We got zero new DE players. But somehow 30+year old veteran had a full DE army on day 1 of codex leak on forums.

Has its other good sides too. We couldn't get enough, or rather any, indomitus around here. So everyone played the next best thing. Turns out buying attack bikes and venguard veterans was a good thing to happen, as we didn't have to pay the hundrads of scalper dollars for eradictors and blade guard.

tneva82 wrote:

ottokill wrote:
I've been trying to buy certain Drukhari from GW and other locations and they've been sold out for at least two months. What is going on?

I was waiting for some items for months last autumn. Weeks is nothing.

Basically GW is having supply issues. They can't produce fast enough to meet demand. (if GW was following capitalism fully they would up the prices right away. Supply<demand=prices up. Luckily GW isn't that evil).>

That people think this is how capitalism works boggles my mind.

GW already overcharges, but using artificial supply shortages like this to up prices dramatically is bad business. Oh and GW is already doing that anyways, what'dya know.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
There was a very compelling analysis not so long ago, where someone had worked out that, adjusted for wages and inflation, the hobby's actually effectively gotten cheaper since back in the day when I started around the end of first, start of second edition.

I'm just happy that GW hasn't had to raise prices like the lumber industry ( yet ).

I mean, had to? No. Done so? Yeah prices have risen in the covid era.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:
Blood knights, vampire lord, crimson court, etc... some of these kits went from pre-order to out of stock online. How long are they going to use COVID as an excuse for not producing product? I’d assume they knew Brexit was coming eventually right? It wasn’t exactly a surprise. How long are we going to give this company a pass for being incompetent with producing and stocking their product?

Um, probably until Covid lockdowns aren't a thing in the UK anymore?

As for Brexit, I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but even here in the States as a casual news reader I can tell you that it was a giant cluster-mess, with many, many businesses left absolutely scrambling because rules and regulations kept changing at the last minute. That will wreak havoc on anybody, much less any sort of corporation that ships their products worldwide from the UK.

And really "giving this company a pass for being incompetent"? Grow up - they're plastic toy soldiers. The game will still be around in 6 months to a year even if you aren't able to get all the shiny new toys right now this very minute.

I dunno man shops that have been in my local area and a bit beyond have been open for years only to close up and go out of business due to harsh corona lockdowns. An Asian diner nearby for years closed, another set up in the same area and also closed only for a 3rd to open in the same spot. Not only that but fast food has had trouble staffing people and at a mere mile or two away a fast food joint which normally takes 15 mins to bring food said it'd take an hour then after said hour of waiting they forgot to put the order in after I ok'd it with them and the mentioned it back to me during placing said order. Places here are being short staffed and many stores are going under. The local Best Buy even closed its doors after years of being there. Granted its mostly restaurants and small business dying.

I honestly don't know if my local gw's or game stores will survive. Keep in mind gw isn't even open for gaming which is forcing most local players to play somewhere else and possibly buy somewhere else. Honestly given the pandemic i dont know what to say anymore. What if GW goes under? I'd be a bit shocked but I was also shocked when whfb was discontinued. Tabletop dudes-men might be low on priorities and a lot of virtual things like online gaming may pick up the slack.

GW going under would be eminently obvious to all the people staring at GW's financials all the time.

Also if you in the US, gaming is opening again this week following CDC guidelines.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
There was a very compelling analysis not so long ago, where someone had worked out that, adjusted for wages and inflation, the hobby's actually effectively gotten cheaper since back in the day when I started around the end of first, start of second edition.

I'm just happy that GW hasn't had to raise prices like the lumber industry ( yet ).

**Falls out of chair laughing**

Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

Protip: GW would quickly cease to exist if they priced all of their miniatures at "production cost". That's not how ANY of this works. You realize that they're a global corporation, right? One that's publicly traded and has shareholders and needs to make profits to succeed. A company that has various overhead costs for operating their business, shipping expenses, employee payroll, marketing expenses, and so much more. I'm so tired of armchair economists shouting about how they could do better running GW than GW itself can do it. Games Workshop is in the business of selling miniatures; that's literally their main source of income.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
There was a very compelling analysis not so long ago, where someone had worked out that, adjusted for wages and inflation, the hobby's actually effectively gotten cheaper since back in the day when I started around the end of first, start of second edition.

I'm just happy that GW hasn't had to raise prices like the lumber industry ( yet ).

**Falls out of chair laughing**

I take it that you have no idea how much the cost of lumber has risen, huh?

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

Protip: GW would quickly cease to exist if they priced all of their miniatures at "production cost". That's not how ANY of this works. You realize that they're a global corporation, right? One that's publicly traded and has shareholders and needs to make profits to succeed. A company that has various overhead costs for operating their business, shipping expenses, employee payroll, marketing expenses, and so much more. I'm so tired of armchair economists shouting about how they could do better running GW than GW itself can do it. Games Workshop is in the business of selling miniatures; that's literally their main source of income.

GW sells minis as if they're iPhones or Rolexes, they'd make more money selling by volume instead of by item.

When I started pocket money could actually buy you something other than paints, now units start at £25 pound, which makes it a big barrier to kids.

They could slash prices in half instantly, and make more money because they'd be shipping more units overall raising income.

Pricing units like flayed ones or howling banshees the way they do puts people off buying them, 10 of them is the equivalent price to get started boxes making them look like terrible value.

hobojebus wrote:


GW sells minis as if they're iPhones or Rolexes, they'd make more money selling by volume instead of by item.

Would they? I'm not an economist, but I'm someone who is involved in fairly niche hobby - as are you. How do you sell in volume to a limited player base? How do we know volume sales would make them more? They seem wildly successful as it is right now.

hobojebus wrote:

When I started pocket money could actually buy you something other than paints, now units start at £25 pound, which makes it a big barrier to kids.

I was a kid at the dawn of the game. I don't remember a time where you could buy anything significant with pocket money (perhaps you got a lot more than me?) During second ed, I had maybe £100 to spend once a year on a birthday if I asked relatives for money. That'd get me say, 3-4 boxes of 'something'. That's not dissimilar to a similar amount today.

Characters and the like certainly seem to have risen in cost, but as many other things once you adjust for inflation, are objectively cheaper then back in the day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eaj-2MtcBEnDnimUGnUVGDF-jVazEExabTRwJorrG9M/edit#gid=0

We certainly had nothing like the 'start collecting' boxes (which can represent a considerable saving - and assist new players with broadly useful or core units a a discount) back then.

I think it fairer to say that yes, some prices do seem egregious - and it's never been a cheap hobby - but some really aren't comparatively. This rosy period of cheap pocket money hobby some people remember, I don't recall ever existing.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

Protip: GW would quickly cease to exist if they priced all of their miniatures at "production cost". That's not how ANY of this works. You realize that they're a global corporation, right? One that's publicly traded and has shareholders and needs to make profits to succeed. A company that has various overhead costs for operating their business, shipping expenses, employee payroll, marketing expenses, and so much more. I'm so tired of armchair economists shouting about how they could do better running GW than GW itself can do it. Games Workshop is in the business of selling miniatures; that's literally their main source of income.

I figured it was obvious that I didn't mean they should be selling minis at literally the cost of the plastic itself but I guess there are enough people on dakka who genuinely believe that that it was a fair assumption to make

tneva82 wrote:
Basically GW is having supply issues. They can't produce fast enough to meet demand. (if GW was following capitalism fully they would up the prices right away. Supply<demand=prices up. Luckily GW isn't that evil).>

Wot? You spent last 2 years in hibernation and missed constant price hikes?

Look at the asking price of new heavy marines and flayed ones and tell me it's sane...

 StrayIight wrote:
We certainly had nothing like the 'start collecting' boxes (which can represent a considerable saving - and assist new players with broadly useful or core units a a discount) back then.

They do. Or at least did, before GW price hiked them then started killing them outright (at least in 40K). It's not 2019 anymore...

hobojebus wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

Protip: GW would quickly cease to exist if they priced all of their miniatures at "production cost". That's not how ANY of this works. You realize that they're a global corporation, right? One that's publicly traded and has shareholders and needs to make profits to succeed. A company that has various overhead costs for operating their business, shipping expenses, employee payroll, marketing expenses, and so much more. I'm so tired of armchair economists shouting about how they could do better running GW than GW itself can do it. Games Workshop is in the business of selling miniatures; that's literally their main source of income.

GW sells minis as if they're iPhones or Rolexes, they'd make more money selling by volume instead of by item.

When I started pocket money could actually buy you something other than paints, now units start at £25 pound, which makes it a big barrier to kids.

They could slash prices in half instantly, and make more money because they'd be shipping more units overall raising income.

Pricing units like flayed ones or howling banshees the way they do puts people off buying them, 10 of them is the equivalent price to get started boxes making them look like terrible value.

Slashing the prices of their miniatures in half would also immediately devalue the entire market. And if they're having trouble keeping up with production now, imagine how bad it would be if everything was priced at 50% off the current prices.

Look at what happened with Privateer Press; they regularly have "warehouse clearance" sales(there's one going on now) where you get $200 worth of minis for $60. Miniature Market frequently has mega sales where PP product is up to 45% off. Part of the end result of that? Nobody puts any value on Warmachine minis because you can get them for a song if you just wait a little while. You can barely sell your own NIB collections at 40% of MSRP if you want to get out of the game.

Judging by the last year or so, Games Workshop is doing just fine with the prices they have set right now. Warhammer 40,000 is THE king of the wargame mountain, and I'm pretty sure nothing else even comes remotely close.

 Irbis wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
We certainly had nothing like the 'start collecting' boxes (which can represent a considerable saving - and assist new players with broadly useful or core units a a discount) back then.

They do. Or at least did, before GW price hiked them then started killing them outright (at least in 40K). It's not 2019 anymore...

Sure, it's 2021.

Now we have a different box with a different name - that's admittedly sold at a slightly higher price per box.

However let's not forget it still represents a large saving over the individual components, it contains a reasonable chunk more for the money, and is a complete, legal, army for a low points game. There's an argument to be made that that is better overall for new players - it's at worst no more or less useful for established ones.

I certainly can't get behind the idea of it being a purely Machiavellian conspiracy to empty your wallet.

Yeah, CP boxes are sweet for new Crusade players because they're all designed for 25 PL, which is entry level for Crusade.

Wicked smart marketing.

 StrayIight wrote:
Now we have a different box with a different name - that's admittedly sold at a slightly higher price per box.

I don't care how much of the Kool Aid you've been drinking, Straylight, let's not pretend (using UK RRP) that £85 is a "slightly higher price" than £55 or £60 (CP Necrons/SM/BA vs. SC IG/Craftworlds or SC Stormtroopers/GSC, respectively).

Increasing the cost by 54% or 42% is not increasing it "slightly".

Do they still represent a saving over individual kits? Yes. Not going to argue that. But you've made quite a jump up from "around the same price as a computer game," which seems to be an issue for a product that's meant to start you somewhere.

 Dysartes wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
Now we have a different box with a different name - that's admittedly sold at a slightly higher price per box.

I don't care how much of the Kool Aid you've been drinking, Straylight, let's not pretend (using UK RRP) that £85 is a "slightly higher price" than £55 or £60 (CP Necrons/SM/BA vs. SC IG/Craftworlds or SC Stormtroopers/GSC, respectively).

Increasing the cost by 54% or 42% is not increasing it "slightly".

Do they still represent a saving over individual kits? Yes. Not going to argue that. But you've made quite a jump up from "around the same price as a computer game," which seems to be an issue for a product that's meant to start you somewhere.

Thank you for that. Yes, I am the GW equivalent of a Jonestown cult member. I never criticise them at all (check my post history to see this absolutely isn't true). That's a reasoned, balanced and respectful argument right there. Certainly in no way personally insulting or inflammatory.
I mean, you've picked on my use of a single word, while throwing out the rest of the post and argument... with respect, which of us has an agenda here?

My point was, and is, the new box is a rough equivalent to the old 'start collecting' box. In some ways, it's more useful. Yes it's priced higher. You also get a considerable number of additional models in it. So it wasn't likely to be the same price was it?

I don't have £80 odd quid to go throwing around often at said box either. But as it's widely available for around £60 (here's the one and only one I've bought to date: https://darksphere.co.uk/p.php?p=103072), which is 'slightly higher' (admittedly, this is a value judgement and own opinion - yours may differ) than the old box - it's not been a huge issue.

But that's academic. There was no price rise given that these are literally a different product, with different contents. They're just the closest equivalent to the previous one. I'll grant that given that, it's not completely unreasonable to draw a comparison.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Don't gotta raise prices when your prices are already well over production costs lol

Protip: GW would quickly cease to exist if they priced all of their miniatures at "production cost". That's not how ANY of this works. You realize that they're a global corporation, right? One that's publicly traded and has shareholders and needs to make profits to succeed. A company that has various overhead costs for operating their business, shipping expenses, employee payroll, marketing expenses, and so much more. I'm so tired of armchair economists shouting about how they could do better running GW than GW itself can do it. Games Workshop is in the business of selling miniatures; that's literally their main source of income.

GW sells minis as if they're iPhones or Rolexes, they'd make more money selling by volume instead of by item.

When I started pocket money could actually buy you something other than paints, now units start at £25 pound, which makes it a big barrier to kids.

They could slash prices in half instantly, and make more money because they'd be shipping more units overall raising income.

Pricing units like flayed ones or howling banshees the way they do puts people off buying them, 10 of them is the equivalent price to get started boxes making them look like terrible value.

Slashing the prices of their miniatures in half would also immediately devalue the entire market. And if they're having trouble keeping up with production now, imagine how bad it would be if everything was priced at 50% off the current prices.

Look at what happened with Privateer Press; they regularly have "warehouse clearance" sales(there's one going on now) where you get $200 worth of minis for $60. Miniature Market frequently has mega sales where PP product is up to 45% off. Part of the end result of that? Nobody puts any value on Warmachine minis because you can get them for a song if you just wait a little while. You can barely sell your own NIB collections at 40% of MSRP if you want to get out of the game.

Judging by the last year or so, Games Workshop is doing just fine with the prices they have set right now. Warhammer 40,000 is THE king of the wargame mountain, and I'm pretty sure nothing else even comes remotely close.

Different issue entirely, I'm talking about making a profit not manufacture or stock management.

Say you're an elder player you want a couple of squads of bowling banshees but those 20 models will cost you £130, that's going to cost you a sale not make you money.

By accepting a smaller profit per item you'd make more sales and then in turn more money.

When you price potential customers out of your hobby you're never going to grow your market share.

It is a niche hobby, which is why increasing prices is bad existing players will just use older models and newer potential customers just get scared away, so when older customers stop you've suddenly got nobody to replace them.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 StrayIight wrote:
There was a very compelling analysis not so long ago, where someone had worked out that, adjusted for wages and inflation, the hobby's actually effectively gotten cheaper since back in the day when I started around the end of first, start of second edition.

I'm just happy that GW hasn't had to raise prices like the lumber industry ( yet ).

**Falls out of chair laughing**

I take it that you have no idea how much the cost of lumber has risen, huh?

The lumber industry had to raise prices to get where GW is now.