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GK Codex says:

Each time a GK Psyker is selected to manifest psychic powers, it can attempt to manifest any of the psychic powers that it knows from the Sanctic Discipline even if that power has already attempted to be manifested by another unit in that phase.

(Difficulty then goes up by +1 per attempt, like Smite).

It seems to me this is probably intended to be like Smite, where the same caster can't smite more than once, but you can smite once for each Psyker you have if you want. But it doesn't actually say this, whereas for Smite, the rules specifically state that the same Psyker can't Smite more than once - but this is a special rider for Smite only, not for all powers. It does says "even if another unit," but that doesn't seem to actually limit anything, because there's no actual restriction in the core rules on the same psyker casting any power other than smite more than once - there didn't need to be one, it was enough, aside from Smite, to simply say you can't cast a power more than once per phase, period.

Am I right in reading this RAW as allowing the same psyker to cast the same Sanctic power more than once? Librarians are the only thing in the book that can do it base, but any unit can use the strat for a second cast, so it opens up stuff like Purifiers double-casting Purifying Flame, or paladins giving themselves +2 to save for a 0+ base save, -1+ in cover.

Key word is "another unit"

Re-read the rule.

As above. You're allowed to manifest even if another unit has done so. Not if you have done so

I agree with the other replies. The core rules say:

With the exception of Smite, you cannot attempt to manifest the
same psychic power more than once in the same battle round, even
with different Psyker units.

The specific rule gives an exemption when manifesting a power that another unit has used, but gives no exemption for the same unit.

So multiple GK termies can cast hammer hands on themselves but the same unit of temries cannot cast hammer hand on itself twice.

Effectively, yes.

Hammerhand twice on a unit is useless, unless the unit suffers -1 to wound. You cant get more than +1/-1 to wound.

So, it isn't always uselsss. And, as an example, it wasn't useless at all

 p5freak wrote:
Hammerhand twice on a unit is useless, unless the unit suffers -1 to wound. You cant get more than +1/-1 to wound.

Hammerhand is reroll wound rolls. Please don't spread misinformation.

Aash wrote:
I agree with the other replies. The core rules say:

With the exception of Smite, you cannot attempt to manifest the
same psychic power more than once in the same battle round, even
with different Psyker units.

The specific rule gives an exemption when manifesting a power that another unit has used, but gives no exemption for the same unit.

But that's the issue. That's not what it says.

The general rule does not prohibit the same unit from casting a power more than once, it just prohibits casting a power more than once, period. This is why Smite requires a specific addition that you can't cast Smite more than once per phase with the same psyker.

The GK rule removes that limitation on casting the same power more than once per phase, and says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed only if it's another unit that has already cast it. "Even if" is not a limiting phrase on what comes before.

I.e.: "You can have the puppy even if you can't pay for it" doesn't mean you can have the puppy only if you can't pay for it.

It says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed even if the same unit has already attempted it.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Aash wrote:
I agree with the other replies. The core rules say:

With the exception of Smite, you cannot attempt to manifest the
same psychic power more than once in the same battle round, even
with different Psyker units.

The specific rule gives an exemption when manifesting a power that another unit has used, but gives no exemption for the same unit.

But that's the issue. That's not what it says.

The general rule does not prohibit the same unit from casting a power more than once, it just prohibits casting a power more than once, period. The GK rule removes that limitation, and says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed only if it's another unit that has already cast it.

It doesn't say "even if your unit has already cast it once", which is the permission you would need for the unit to cast it a second time.

 DeathReaper wrote:
It says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed even if the same unit has already attempted it.

What limitation? There is no limitation in the core rules on the same unit casting a power more than once per phase. That's the issue here.

The only limitation is on casting the same power more than once. The GK rule removes that, and does so "even if another unit has already cast it." It doesn't say it removes it "only if" another unit has cast it. "Even if" and "only if" are not the same meaning.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Aash wrote:
I agree with the other replies. The core rules say:

With the exception of Smite, you cannot attempt to manifest the
same psychic power more than once in the same battle round, even
with different Psyker units.

The specific rule gives an exemption when manifesting a power that another unit has used, but gives no exemption for the same unit.

But that's the issue. That's not what it says.

The general rule does not prohibit the same unit from casting a power more than once, it just prohibits casting a power more than once, period. This is why Smite requires a specific addition that you can't cast Smite more than once per phase with the same psyker.

The GK rule removes that limitation on casting the same power more than once per phase, and says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed only if it's another unit that has already cast it. "Even if" is not a limiting phrase on what comes before.

I.e.: "You can have the puppy even if you can't pay for it" doesn't mean you can have the puppy only if you can't pay for it.

Emphasis mine:

Each time a GK Psyker is selected to manifest psychic powers, it can attempt to manifest any of the psychic powers that it knows from the Sanctic Discipline even if that power has already attempted to be manifested by another unit in that phase.

If the section of the rule I’ve marked in bold was removed, the rule wouldn’t allow you to cast a specific Sanctic Discipline power if that unit or any other unit had done so already that phase. It would follow the core rules in that regard. The section in bold specifically allows you to cast a power when it has already been used by another unit. No more and no less. There is nothing in the rule that allows you to manifest the power twice with the same unit in a single phase.

Edit: if the rule said “only if” the rules would break down as you would be unable to cast a Sanctic Discipline power for the first time in a phase because no other unit has already done so.

Aash wrote:

If the section of the rule I’ve marked in bold was removed, the rule wouldn’t allow you to cast a specific Sanctic Discipline power if that unit or any other unit had done so already that phase. It would follow the core rules in that regard. The section in bold specifically allows you to cast a power when it has already been used by another unit. No more and no less. There is nothing in the rule that allows you to manifest the power twice with the same unit in a single phase.

Ok, this explanation works for me, I think I'm convinced now. Thanks!

yukishiro1 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
It says the limitation is removed "even if another unit has already attempted it." It doesn't say the limitation is removed even if the same unit has already attempted it.

What limitation? There is no limitation in the core rules on the same unit casting a power more than once per phase. That's the issue here.

The only limitation is on casting the same power more than once. The GK rule removes that, and does so "even if another unit has already cast it." It doesn't say it removes it "only if" another unit has cast it. "Even if" and "only if" are not the same meaning.

The limitation is the rule that states "You cannot attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once in the same battle round"

So to be exact, a unit can cast smite on a 5+ another on 6+ and so on.

The same can be said for Hammerhand??

Yes. Each unit csn only attempt to manifest the same power once, but like smite more than one unit can attempt, at that escalating cost.

TY BTW are there any other powers that can be used like this.

TY in advance

RB wrote:
TY BTW are there any other powers that can be used like this.

TY in advance

Just the ones in the Sanctic discipline. Hammerhand, Astral Aim, Purge Soul, Armoured Resilience, Etheral Castigation, and Purifying Flame.

 techsoldaten wrote:

RB wrote:
TY BTW are there any other powers that can be used like this.

TY in advance

Just the ones in the Sanctic discipline. Hammerhand, Astral Aim, Purge Soul, Armoured Resilience, Etheral Castigation, and Purifying Flame.

One of the tides will let you do it for the Brotherhood specific spells too.

The lack of rites of banishment means all GK smites are X damage?

Is there also super smite?

Smite for gk is now normal smite.