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 jeff white wrote:
Simple poll, will Warhammer Plus succeed or fail and why?

You'd have to define success or failure first, along with whose success and whose failure.

How does GW define success? How do their customers define success? For customers it will depend on their individual tastes and opinions. Et cetera. Personally, it's a non-starter for me for a variety of reasons.

For one, almost never watch TV. Will toss battle reports and lore videos up on YouTube while painting/assembling, but what's already out there is plenty.

The models don't interest me.

Very rarely order items from GW's website. The price is higher than FLGS, eBay, or resellers, and the shipping takes much longer. That makes the website voucher less valuable to me.

FOMO doesn't work on me, so any sort of limited time offer doesn't move the needle.

And so on. For me it just isn't something that meets any sort of need or desire.

I am enjoying the Warhammer+ content. It's a bit anemic on the show side, but with more old White Dwarves and lore books, along with animations and more, I can't complain.

I do feel like it is a misnomer to call this a streaming service as this includes a great deal more than just streaming the few TV shows they have.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
I am enjoying the Warhammer+ content. It's a bit anemic on the show side, but with more old White Dwarves and lore books, along with animations and more, I can't complain.

I do feel like it is a misnomer to call this a streaming service as this includes a great deal more than just streaming the few TV shows they have.

I think having the app not have all the content is a bit of a issue here, I don’t even know where to get all the content I get. They need a FAQ in there app with some links!
Typical GW design honestly.

Did Games Workshop call it a streaming service? I mean, the name was certainly chosen to jump on the "Company Name Plus" streaming service naming bandwagon...

I think having the app not have all the content is a bit of a issue here, I don’t even know where to get all the content I get. They need a FAQ in there app with some links!
Typical GW design honestly.

They definitely could improve on the frontend of their service and I am not a fan of the idea of separating the service into 3+ apps(WHTV, AoS, 40k, and probably more in the future), but the content I am getting currently I do like.

Havent pulled the trigger on it

So the only WH TV content I haven't watched is the painting stuff.

Looking forward to seeing what we get on Wednesday for new episodes. I think H&B will probably be a Sigmar episode.

Curious if the first episode of loremasters will go up on that day.

 Stevefamine wrote:
Havent pulled the trigger on it

If you like the model it's a no brainer ( no to mention the voucher ). Then you can always ditch it after the first year if you don't like what pops in.


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Oh. And ep 2 of Hammer and Bolter is proper grimdark.

So far I’m enjoying it. I think the price point is good too, assuming they’ll deliver what they’ve been advertising.

I really like the production quality of the battle reports. I think it far exceeds anything that’s on YouTube.

The W40K app. is a big disappointment. I don’t understand why anyone would have been subscribed to it.

Watched the animations, the 40k bat rep, and 2 painting tutorials. So the bulk of what’s up there now. I enjoyed what I watched.

With the “free” mini, and the voucher I feel I’m getting my money’s worth. Yes, it’s very thin on launch. But when you consider what you get, the $/hr of entertainment is actually pretty good.

Watching H&B really makes me want to watch the classic version of Heavy Metal.

Btw. is there a way of using the voucher to pay for the subscription?

The voucher is for the GW webstore, so no.

I expect its going to lose money in the long term, so I'm going to guess "fail".

There needs to be a continuous stream of content for people to keep using it, and there isn't much right now. Contracting animators to produce such content isn't cheap. In addition, the content actually needs to be high profile enough that people decide they need it in their life.

Disney+ wasn't doing well until The Mandalorian happened, and even then there were like mass cancelations after the first season, and it took kind of a steady stream of high profile shows to get the engine going. And that's Disney, who literally specialize in making popular content and had massive backlogs of popular shows and movies to binge watch on release.

GW could always hire a japanese studio, their animators often get paid less than they'd make at a convenience store apparently.

Here's a hot take for y'all:

GW is in the business of selling miniatures and WH+ is actually a limited miniature subscription with added benefits.

It won't take much to make it break even, GW is known for paying bottom-barrel wages as we all know by now. I wouldn't be surprised if they're paying the animators freelance rather than a salary, and probably at very low per-episode rates. After all, rather than produce their own, they basically just found a bunch of youtubers and threatened them with being shut down if they didn't take the deal. It's not exactly the actions of a company that is prepared to invest lots of money.

Most of the other stuff is stuff they used to do for free anyway, and it's all basically just advertising for their miniatures. So really W+ is just a way to get people to pay GW for the privilege of being advertised to, and every dollar that comes in that way is pretty much profit compared to if they didn't get it. The costs of running the service are probably pretty minimal.

So do I think it's a good thing? Not really. Is it going to make a lot of money? I doubt it. But it might still break even, and even if it doesn't, it's still probably a win for GW. The only way this goes badly is if they actually invest money in it, and there are zero signs that is the case.

I'm not entirely sure how there are "zero signs" that there is investment going into Warhammer + when GW specifically hired people to run it, produce content for it and hired people outside of the company norm for said content. Did you forget that there were casting calls mid-2020? Or that the presenter team was expanded again just a couple of weeks ago? It's not Amazon or Disney levels of investment but it was never going to be for a company making a tiny fraction of what most companies with media platforms do.

 BertBert wrote:
Here's a hot take for y'all:

GW is in the business of selling miniatures and WH+ is actually a limited miniature subscription with added benefits.

Yeah. This is sort of why I'd be surprised if it totally failed.

There will be complaining - and people selling the minis on secondary markets probably at high prices etc - but arguably a subscription service as another sales channel might work very well. We always get debates over how much models cost to design - and then print/ship etc, but to my mind its sufficiently low GW can keep playing with the offer with relatively little downside.

If they abandon the freebies and it becomes "pay £5 a month to watch our animations" then I suspect its dead - but there's no obvious reason it would go that way.

 Nevelon wrote:
Watched the animations, the 40k bat rep, and 2 painting tutorials. So the bulk of what’s up there now. I enjoyed what I watched.

With the “free” mini, and the voucher I feel I’m getting my money’s worth. Yes, it’s very thin on launch. But when you consider what you get, the $/hr of entertainment is actually pretty good.

This. I've watched all the WH+-exclusive videos and enjoyed them all. Animation is a bit janky at times, but acceptable (this is coming from someone who's a fan of the Dead Space EU so I've had to grit my teeth through Downfall and Aftermath's animation, which is way worse than anything on WH+). Bat reps are solid and I actually enjoy that they're all-killer-no-filler at a lean 60 minutes each. Too many bat reps stretch out longer than they really need to. Citadel Masterclass was also really interesting - I don't think I'll ever reach the level of patience or dedication where I'd spend that much time on a single face, but wet blending was a really cool technique that I can see myself being able to pull off. Also, maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually appreciate that there's not an overwhelming amount of content right now, it'll give me a week to catch up on everything in my limited free time. Of course, we'll have to see how this holds up over time and whether they add a reasonable amount of content on a weekly basis, but for now I've enjoyed what I've gotten. And also, for what it's worth, I've already been getting more use out of WH+ than I have out of my Netflix subscription.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah let's predict the success of a system that has been out for less than 3 days.
Does there need to be another thread where doomsayers rant about how bad Warhammer + is and call anyone who disagrees with them GW shills?

Thank you for this.

Honestly, considering the Ork and Vindicare model are likely going to be 40 bucks each, you get a 15 buck voucher, and save 2 months by buying the 12 month subscription, you can get the W+ sub and effectively you're paying for one of the models. Everything else is just a bonus.

If you don't want anything else, and you don't even want the model in the end, you can get it and flip it on Ebay. Then, you'll likely get the entire year sub for free by that point.

I’m having flashbacks to Warhammer Visions and their record label. I have no expectation this will survive beyond a year or maybe, two.

The voucher isn’t for you, it’s for GW to sell you more stuff ;p

I think for the money it will really depend on what’s coming.
More minis would keep me subbed even if I donating them to the shop if the kill team batreps are any good.

The quality on the batreps seem good enough, seen better but for a payed survace they could be worse.
But 40k is such a bland game to watch, standard 40k is just bad. It really held everything down in that battle report.

The painting was good, not fantastic. If they are willing to go all out and not be a big advertisement for there own products then it’s got value and I would be happy with watching it every week.

If you really want 40k cartoons, they exist.

ultimately I think I agree with the sentiment that "if you want a digital whtie dwarf this is for you. if you're seriously thinking this is supposed to be "the netflix of warhammer" you're gonna be dissappointed"

 Stormonu wrote:
I’m having flashbacks to Warhammer Visions and their record label. I have no expectation this will survive beyond a year or maybe, two.

Well given that both GW and Streaming services are in a "golden age" (financially) it would be really difficult for this to flop.

Perhaps GW is doing 10 times less money and having much less proyection by doing his own in house pseudo streaming service than giv8ng the rights of the series to amazon or netflix... But thats another issue.

 BertBert wrote:
Here's a hot take for y'all:

GW is in the business of selling miniatures and WH+ is actually a limited miniature subscription with added benefits.

This is why I've not really been too outspoken on WH+ beyond the fact that I don't want it. Its feels a LOT like GW wanted to do some kind of loot box subscription but saw that that fad was dying or didn't want to gove away a bunch of mini or peoduce more merch so they decided to go another direction. Buy the special mini, gets some digital stuff and streaming services are the new loot boxes. If there was no mini I'd be bitching till the sun went down. Saying that the minis are rubbish IMO.

The only thing I'm curious about is how the batrep turned out. Did it actually use decent armies and use them properly or was it their usual advert with some dice rolling style from WD?

 Gert wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how there are "zero signs" that there is investment going into Warhammer + when GW specifically hired people to run it, produce content for it and hired people outside of the company norm for said content. Did you forget that there were casting calls mid-2020? Or that the presenter team was expanded again just a couple of weeks ago? It's not Amazon or Disney levels of investment but it was never going to be for a company making a tiny fraction of what most companies with media platforms do.

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Apple fox wrote:
The voucher isn’t for you, it’s for GW to sell you more stuff ;p

Still unless you have stopped buying gw models entirely(at which point you aren't target market anyway) it's less money you need to spend to models to get them.

tneva82 wrote:
Still unless you have stopped buying gw models entirely(at which point you aren't target market anyway) it's less money you need to spend to models to get them.

Though to be fair, a GW store voucher usually just pays for the discount you are missing out on for not ordering at a third party store.

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Still unless you have stopped buying gw models entirely(at which point you aren't target market anyway) it's less money you need to spend to models to get them.

Though to be fair, a GW store voucher usually just pays for the discount you are missing out on for not ordering at a third party store.

Depends on what you do with it. The voucher is 12€, you get free shipping above 25€ at present. If that doesn't change until October, you can order in the vicinity of the latter and effectively get a 25% to 40% discount, or thereabouts. An independent store can't beat that.

You just have to have something you want in that price range, and not order in bulk from GW direct. Then the voucher is a pretty good deal.

Way too early to tell.

Whilst I’ve enjoyed what was on there from launch, it’s not enough of a sample to make a judgement upon.

The battle reports move at a decent place, and the production values are solid. But both are fairly straight forward pick up type games. They’re a good follow on to How To Play, but don’t show off any particular facet of the hobby. In future, I hope for narrative games, campaign series and even tournament winner head to heads. What will we get remains to be seen.

Animations? Perfectly enjoyable. Hammer & Bolter has three decent stories, if fairly stylistic animation. Angels of Death is a feast for the eyes, but due to episodic nature we don’t really say of the story is much cop.

Loremasters is something I’m looking forward to, but isn’t up yet. Likely due to Wade’s illness.

The Painting Masterclasses are superb. Clear and concise explanation, clear camera angles.

Warhammer Vault. Well, I’ve read all the titles before, barring Ghaz. But it’s nice to have, and I’m hopeful we’ll get proper rarities.

Price wise? I signed up for a year and went with the Vindicare. My £50 has bought me a £10 voucher and a £25 model. But even without that? For what I’ve compared to a live action White Dwarf? I’m getting my monies worth. Hell, I pay £3.90 a month for Viz, the UK’s swearirst, most five weekliest grin-mag, a comic of puerile adult humour it takes me about 40 minutes to read cover to cover. Viewed that way, I’m happy with the value I’m extracting.

But whether this will grow or potentially fizzle out? Who knows.

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 Gert wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how there are "zero signs" that there is investment going into Warhammer + when GW specifically hired people to run it, produce content for it and hired people outside of the company norm for said content. Did you forget that there were casting calls mid-2020? Or that the presenter team was expanded again just a couple of weeks ago? It's not Amazon or Disney levels of investment but it was never going to be for a company making a tiny fraction of what most companies with media platforms do.

Well clearly no new content daily is sign of no investement for some

20 year olds on YouTube are able to maintain daily upload schedules with decent quality and editing, I don't see why a international corporation with a paid streaming service couldn't arrange a schedule that has daily new content, look, its easy:

Monday: New animated short
Tuesday: 40k Batrep
Wednesday: Painting tutorial
Thursday: AoS batrep
Friday: lore video
Saturday: overview of the weeks releases/preorders
Sunday: specialist game batrep

Thats not even getting into other stuff like making of content, licensed video game content, retrospectives, livestreams for painting, art and batreps, VoDs, interviews, documentaries etc.