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Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
"Change the Death to the False Emperor ability to read:
‘Each time a model with this ability makes a melee
attack, a hit roll of 6+ scores one additional hit’."
Finally! This dumb narrative restriction is gone. This feels like it's a legitimately huge buff for CSMs. Not like, fixing the codex, but a legitimately great one.
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Very happy for Necrons players. I still think they have a good Codex which was castrated by a poor implementation of the <CORE> keyword (I still think this keyword is a joke).
Also happy for IG players. Leman Russ needed this 2+ save desperately. Now if only GW could revisit most of the other tanks / monsters ...
The CSM change is a complete joke, but we are used to.
The rest is pretty good. Curious how the changes to aircrafts/buggies/points will shake the meta (or not).
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secretForge wrote: First amusing thing I've noticed. at 2k Tau cant actually field their fliers as each selection is actually 3 aircraft models.
I don't understand what you mean. AX3 Razorshark Strike Fighters are single models. I don't think the two drones of the AX39 Sun Shark Bomber count as independent flyers here. Or what are you refering to?
Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
I had started a thread too, but this was up by the time I finished, so I snipped mine out.
These balance dataslates are a new quarterly feature! I don't have the same engagement with competitive meta that most Dakkanaughts have, nor do I prize balance as highly as many of you do, however, from my limited perspective, this seems like an extraordinary addition to the tool box, since it isn't typically going to be points adjustments, but rules updates (Note: This first installment DOES include points updates, but the article makes it clear that going forward, that will be an exception, not the rule).
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Guard stuff seems interesting, CSM stuff doesn't fix any of the issues I've been experiencing with CSM. Extra CC attacks don't help when you aren't durable enough nor have good delivery methods to get there.
I think the minor changes to the CSM is likely a reflection of their due early next year codex, so they don't feel the need to do more now. Yes, I know, give them 2 wounds already, I fully agree its been too flipping long a gap, but that's why I think they haven't.
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secretForge wrote: First amusing thing I've noticed. at 2k Tau cant actually field their fliers as each selection is actually 3 aircraft models.
I don't understand what you mean. AX3 Razorshark Strike Fighters are single models. I don't think the two drones of the AX39 Sun Shark Bomber count as independent flyers here. Or what are you refering to?
My bad thought they all had drones. The Faq just says models, so until its fixed Raw, you cant use the Bomber in a 2k game (Of course this is unintentional, and no one in their right mind would attempt to apply it this way in the real world)
PenitentJake wrote: I had started a thread too, but this was up by the time I finished, so I snipped mine out.
Sorry, I wanted to get the word out ASAP I think it is good that they finally came to the conclusion that actual rules changes are needed on top of points updates. I would like to have it more often than every 3 months if the need arises, but it is a good start.
Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
PenitentJake wrote: I had started a thread too, but this was up by the time I finished, so I snipped mine out.
Sorry, I wanted to get the word out ASAP I think it is good that they finally came to the conclusion that actual rules changes are needed on top of points updates. I would like to have it more often than every 3 months if the need arises, but it is a good start.
3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
Be interesting to see what this does to DE. I was going to say RIP* - but I think the fact there are points drop to Talos (which went through a period of being the DE unit you don't take - but have been making a reappearance recently) might swing it back the other way.
*And if you were running a lot of wyches+incubi in raiders, I think it might still be.
Daedalus81 wrote: 3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
What I mean is: The quarterly patch drops today and tomorrow Dhrukari and their supplement are released. I think people would appreciate a response after the first two weekends of sweeping GT victories instead of waiting 3 months.
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Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
I'm not sure about these particular changes, but I am gratified to see GW finally bite the bullet and admit that only changing datasheets every 3+ years was a disaster and that the game badly needs quarterly balance patches at the very least. This feels like the first positive step in 40k since February, assuming they take it seriously going forward and it's not just a short-term PR gimmick.
Now if only they'd follow that to its logical conclusion and just do away with the absurd paper-based rules system in the first place...
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Once again CSM get screwed over. Easily the least improved out of the buffs. The contempt for that faction is very clear at this point. Most of the other seemed good though.
Tyel wrote: Be interesting to see what this does to DE. I was going to say RIP* - but I think the fact there are points drop to Talos (which went through a period of being the DE unit you don't take - but have been making a reappearance recently) might swing it back the other way.
*And if you were running a lot of wyches+incubi in raiders, I think it might still be.
Also no changes to hellions or venoms. Wych change is a huge deal if you were running wyches in raiders, but only 10pts to the squad if youre running 5 in a venom to get some No Escape and quick objective clearing.
I think drukhari will still be pulling over 50%. probably not a ton, but we'll be fine. People will pull out the units that were previously the B-team - Taloi, Ravagers, Voidravens, etc.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Daedalus81 wrote: 3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
What I mean is: The quarterly patch drops today and tomorrow Dhrukari and their supplement are released. I think people would appreciate a response after the first two weekends of sweeping GT victories instead of waiting 3 months.
At most you wait 3 months for something to be reigned in.
And the best news is that it will be a digital update, since there is no chance for them to print, ship and sell books to provide quarterly updates. It means that they are not going to fix the problems of six months and further in the past, since they needed the time to physically produce the books.
Hopefully it means that they are able to stay on top of things and update the game in a timely manner.
Daedalus81 wrote: 3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
What I mean is: The quarterly patch drops today and tomorrow Dhrukari and their supplement are released. I think people would appreciate a response after the first two weekends of sweeping GT victories instead of waiting 3 months.
Oh, right. Well, they did DE a month after. I don't know if this will prevent emergency patches in the future, but I doubt it. Hopefully they can just write the books a little better.
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evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Once again CSM get screwed over. Easily the least improved out of the buffs. The contempt for that faction is very clear at this point. Most of the other seemed good though.
CSM still have a lot of jank and do "ok" especially compared to the lower tier armies right now. T'au got nothing here as well, but they're due out pretty soon.
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evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Once again CSM get screwed over. Easily the least improved out of the buffs. The contempt for that faction is very clear at this point. Most of the other seemed good though.
CSM still have a lot of jank and do "ok" especially compared to the lower tier armies right now. T'au got nothing here as well, but they're due out pretty soon.
I think the reaction to the new DTTFE is kinda funny. Some CSM players think it's "meh" others are loving it. I think it comes down to which Legion you play. Black Legion, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion? Emperor's Children, World Eaters, and Night Lords? Word Bearers....I guess it depends on how many Possessed you have.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Once again CSM get screwed over. Easily the least improved out of the buffs. The contempt for that faction is very clear at this point. Most of the other seemed good though.
CSM still have a lot of jank and do "ok" especially compared to the lower tier armies right now. T'au got nothing here as well, but they're due out pretty soon.
I think the reaction to the new DTTFE is kinda funny. Some CSM players think it's "meh" others are loving it. I think it comes down to which Legion you play. Black Legion, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion? Emperor's Children, World Eaters, and Night Lords? Word Bearers....I guess it depends on how many Possessed you have.
Do Black Legion not love this? Abaddon means 33% of our attacks are actually 2 hits. That's pretty good! Discolord in Abaddon's aura is getting 2 hits for each 4+ so that's great.
Also glad to see GW trying to reach an industry standard for their game upkeep. How this shakes out we'll see though. After the first few times they did their Big FAQ in 8th it kind of just quietly went away.
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Daedalus81 wrote: 3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
What I mean is: The quarterly patch drops today and tomorrow Dhrukari and their supplement are released. I think people would appreciate a response after the first two weekends of sweeping GT victories instead of waiting 3 months.
At most you wait 3 months for something to be reigned in.
And the best news is that it will be a digital update, since there is no chance for them to print, ship and sell books to provide quarterly updates. It means that they are not going to fix the problems of six months and further in the past, since they needed the time to physically produce the books.
Hopefully it means that they are able to stay on top of things and update the game in a timely manner.
Well that assumes gwdev's aren't total morons. If they aren't they know problems well before it's even released so could be producing next quarter lhanges well in advance.
evil_kiwi_60 wrote: Once again CSM get screwed over. Easily the least improved out of the buffs. The contempt for that faction is very clear at this point. Most of the other seemed good though.
CSM still have a lot of jank and do "ok" especially compared to the lower tier armies right now. T'au got nothing here as well, but they're due out pretty soon.
I think the reaction to the new DTTFE is kinda funny. Some CSM players think it's "meh" others are loving it. I think it comes down to which Legion you play. Black Legion, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion? Emperor's Children, World Eaters, and Night Lords? Word Bearers....I guess it depends on how many Possessed you have.
Do Black Legion not love this? Abaddon means 33% of our attacks are actually 2 hits. That's pretty good! Discolord in Abaddon's aura is getting 2 hits for each 4+ so that's great.
secretForge wrote: First amusing thing I've noticed. at 2k Tau cant actually field their fliers as each selection is actually 3 aircraft models.
I don't understand what you mean. AX3 Razorshark Strike Fighters are single models. I don't think the two drones of the AX39 Sun Shark Bomber count as independent flyers here. Or what are you refering to?
My bad thought they all had drones. The Faq just says models, so until its fixed Raw, you cant use the Bomber in a 2k game (Of course this is unintentional, and no one in their right mind would attempt to apply it this way in the real world)
The document says AIRCRAFT models so you're wrong there, too.
Daedalus81 wrote: 3 months is the sweet spot. Faster than that and it becomes even harder to stay on top of things.
What I mean is: The quarterly patch drops today and tomorrow Dhrukari and their supplement are released. I think people would appreciate a response after the first two weekends of sweeping GT victories instead of waiting 3 months.
At most you wait 3 months for something to be reigned in.
And the best news is that it will be a digital update, since there is no chance for them to print, ship and sell books to provide quarterly updates. It means that they are not going to fix the problems of six months and further in the past, since they needed the time to physically produce the books.
Hopefully it means that they are able to stay on top of things and update the game in a timely manner.
Well that assumes gwdev's aren't total morons. If they aren't they know problems well before it's even released so could be producing next quarter lhanges well in advance.
It's more like "they both see too much and not enough of the balance picture (as in, they know what's coming next down the pipe and theyre trying to balance against it, but they also dont know how what has gone to presses but hasnt gone to players will actually impact the meta) " and also "theyre probably working on extremely tight timelines" because thats a sure bet in basically any field.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Coven of XVth 2000pts
The Blades of Ruin 2,000pts 
Watch Company Rho 1650pts
Emperor's Children, World Eaters, and Night Lords? 
Word Bearers....I guess it depends on how many Possessed you have.
