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Revolting Stench Vats (Aura): While an enemy unit is within 6” of the bearer, that unit cannot make use of any rules that allow it to fight first and never counts as having made a charge move this turn.

How does this work?

A unit that is within 6" of the bearer of the Revolting Stench-Vats cannot use the Breaking Through stratagem.

I was wrong.

 MinMax wrote:
A unit that is within 6" of the bearer of the Revolting Stench-Vats cannot use the Breaking Through stratagem.

Yeah, that was how we played it.

Yep, as they haven't made a charge.

I think this is one of those weird circumstances where what we think its asking for and what its actually asking for aren't aligned.

As with "counts as remaining stationary" still failing things that require no movement in the movement phase.

This isn't looking for a model that has charged, just one that has competed a charge move, which it did or it wouldn't be in range. It doesn't count as charging but still completed that charge move.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I think this is one of those weird circumstances where what we think its asking for and what its actually asking for aren't aligned.

As with "counts as remaining stationary" still failing things that require no movement in the movement phase.

This isn't looking for a model that has charged, just one that has competed a charge move, which it did or it wouldn't be in range. It doesn't count as charging but still completed that charge move.

Note the exact text - "doesn't count as having completed a charge move".

Only a unit which completed a charge move can use the stratagem, and any unit within 6" of the Revolting Stench-Vats does not count as such.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I think this is one of those weird circumstances where what we think its asking for and what its actually asking for aren't aligned.

As with "counts as remaining stationary" still failing things that require no movement in the movement phase.

This isn't looking for a model that has charged, just one that has competed a charge move, which it did or it wouldn't be in range. It doesn't count as charging but still completed that charge move.

The start cannot be used p5, as the bug hasn't made a charge move.

It has finished a charge move, otherwise it wouldnt be in engagement range. It just doesnt count as having made a charge move.

So you're treating it as having made a charge move, despite being explicitly told it hasn't done so. Right.

So its really all about timing.

You use the strat after it finish's its charge move.


The questions only comes down to: Did it finish its charge move if it doesnt count as having charged?


It certainly did make a charge move, and finished it, but now it counts as having not charged.

"never counts as having made a charge move this turn"

No timing. As soon as it is within 6" of the bearer of the relic, it NEVER counts as having made a charge move. At no point are you able to use the strat, because the model has NOT made a charge move.

As nosferatu1001 noted, you have to use the stratagem on a unit that completed a Charge Move, but a unit within 6" of a model with Revolting Stench Vats never counts has having made a Charge Move. No valid target, no use of Stratagem.

Does this mean that Revolting Stench also removes the limitation that charging units can only target the units they declared against?

Attacks made by models in units that made a charge move this turn can only target enemy units that their unit declared a charge against, or that performed a Heroic Intervention this turn.

Oddly enough, it would since the unit does not count has having made a charge move.

Wow. That is huge for tyranids. Now we can fight twice again!

But once the model with the aura dies I count as having charged again, right? So if I do the fight again stratagem somewhere in the squience it would be good to have the aura alive. Espceialy if I want to do the rugular move intead of consolidate trick we tyranids use to do in 8th edition.

Correct, as it states "while"