Can Valerian kill a C'tan in one fight phase?

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**Tiberias**

Valerian is a named character in the new Adeptus Custodes Codex and his spear Gnosis has the following special rule: "each time an attack made with this weapon is allocated to an enemy model, that enemy model can not use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses."

I gather that the enemy model can not use any FnP.
So far so simple, but does the necrodermis rule for only 3dmg per phase still apply also for example?

**JohnnyHell**

Necodermis still applies. It's not an "ignores wounds" rule, it's a cap on how many they can lose.

**Tiberias**

JohnnyHell wrote:
Necodermis still applies. It's not an "ignores wounds" rule, it's a cap on how many they can lose.

But the Nightbringer notoriously ignores these kind of caps does he not? And his life drain rules is worded in the same way.

**alextroy**

From the Core Rules FAQ:

Ignoring Wounds vs. Rules that Prevent Models from Ignoring Wounds
Some models have a rule that says that they cannot lose more than a specified number of wounds in the same phase/turn/ battle round, and that any wounds that would be lost after that point are not lost. When such a model is attacked by a weapon or model with a rule that says that enemy models cannot use rules to ignore the wounds it loses, that rule takes precedence over the previous rule, and if that attack inflicts any damage on that model, it loses a number of wounds equal to the Damage characteristic of that attack, even if it has already lost the specified number of wounds already this phase/turn/battle round.

Rules that say models ‘cannot use rules to ignore the wounds they lose’ take precedence over rules that say that a model ‘cannot lose more than a specified number of wounds, and any wounds lost after that point are not lost.

So you cannot cap the damage done to you by Gnosis.

**JohnnyHell**

Oh did not know this! Very cool. Thanks alextroy.

**Crafter91**

alextroy wrote:
From the Core Rules FAQ:

Ignoring Wounds vs. Rules that Prevent Models from Ignoring Wounds
Some models have a rule that says that they cannot lose more than a specified number of wounds in the same phase/turn/ battle round, and that any wounds that would be lost after that point are not lost. When such a model is attacked by a weapon or model with a rule that says that enemy models cannot use rules to ignore the wounds it loses, that rule takes precedence over the previous rule, and if that attack inflicts any damage on that model, it loses a number of wounds equal to the Damage characteristic of that attack, even if it has already lost the specified number of wounds already this phase/turn/battle round.

Rules that say models ‘cannot use rules to ignore the wounds they lose’ take precedence over rules that say that a model ‘cannot lose more than a specified number of wounds, and any wounds lost after that point are not lost.
So you cannot cap the damage done to you by Gnosis.

That's really interesting! So how would that work in the context of models that half damage done to them? Abaddon or the new Avatar being prime examples?

**nosferatu1001**

It doesn't interact with this rule at all, as halving the damage char of a weapon is not ignoring wounds, it's changing the damage char of the weapon