Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I only occasionally buy Heroclix (never played though I was tempted to have my NX-01 battle it out with Professor Hulk in years past!) mainly for RPG purposes like character conversions and recently started looking at them for the first time in a few years. It looks like they've had a lot of changes that probably won't surprise folks who follow the game(s) more closely. The detail looks better and the figs are definitely bigger which are good things for the most part with the mostly industry wide scale creep over the past decade as well as mounted on scenic raised islands of terrain (a bit conflicted on that one but admittedly I rebase them so...). I've found a news article on ttgn that referenced this post that likely is the turning point for the lines in that regard. Has the advent of 3d printing had an impact on their business outside of the core game players? That's what I've been mainly focused on (3d model conversion for random stuff) but obviously I don't have a feel for the game/hobby itself.

https://wizkids.com/heroclix/2020/09/30/marvel-heroclix-x-men-house-of-x/

https://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/WizKids-Making-Big-Changes-to-HeroClix-Minis

One fig that I bought clocked in at 70+mm tall when I thought he'd end up being 40k ogre/ogryn sized. Still, loved the extra detail on him (it was a DC minotaur) and I just ordered a couple of others today including this hilarious fig that I will find a use for! Render then actual fig.




Has the game significantly changed along with the figs or has that remained, for better or worse, relatively stable?

edit: I figured I'd make a general thread as a search didn't turn one up in the past couple of years worth of posts.

Honestly Heroclix is probably the wargame I've played it the most. Back in the early 2000's is about all I did play, and still have a ton of DC stuff that I bought as I played for around 10 years. Had a Batman Villain team that would do really good at tournaments as people never thought that faction was any good.

Back then it was a pretty fun game and the dial system is really good for allowing similar models to play really different at points.

Haven't followed it much in maybe the past 7 years or so but it's cool to see a discussion here about it.

In the mid 2000's, I was playing D&D minis more than anything else so I get where you're coming from. I'd say play what you want and don't let other people playing with their toy soldiers making fun of your's get to you. People outside the hobby won't distinguish and will just lump us all together as losers anyways!

The game itself never appealed to me (I tried several times at Gencon to do demo games but it never stuck) but I was always intrigued by the cheap source of figs. I've never bought a booster but I generally pick up singles (commons, uncommons) for a buck or two every once in a while when there are a couple sets to peruse that weren't around the last time I looked. For someone like me, the relative increase in quality at that price point is welcome though honestly I don't see much of a difference in that regard based on rarity. With D&D and Star Wars minis from WOTC in the old days (2003-2010ish), the paint jobs went up in detail with rarity. Was that the case with clix back when you played? Or is the rarity strictly based on the dial?

No. There was generally never really any increase in quality in sculpts of paint with rarer figures which could be the same sculpt but different dial (they'd have 3 different ranks of a lot of figures) but there were also unique sculpts/dials in sets too which were generally rare. They stopped doing the 3 different ranks of most figures as the popularity waned to try and make the sets have more variety. They'd have starting points on dials for cheaper point versions vs haven't 3 separate dials for example.

Sometimes there were with really expensive chase figures they started adding (like the Kingdom Come set) you'd see better casting/molds and paint jobs but I don't really remember anything else every looking better and can only think of a handful of instances where that was the case. But I also only ever grabbed DC which was not as popular as the Marvel stuff at the time so maybe they did that more with those sets.

I played the WoTC Star Wars minis game too. I have a lot of the D&D ones but I never cared for the game that much vs just playing D&D but I think I have all the cards for them somewhere. It's interesting that the game that more or less started as a wargame has failed every single time it's tried to spin back off to wargames.

The main reason I got into clicks was Mage Knight. I thought it was pretty cool but couldn't afford it at the time and a few years later a good friend was really into Clicks as he loved comics and superheroes. It was the first time playing a wargame since I played BattleTech back in Jr High in the early 90s and I had wanting to try playing a similar game again and it was just easier to play what a friend, who was good at organizing events at his house, was playing.

I guess I was lucky that I actually liked it as it wasn't cheap to get into. One of the reasons I stopped playing was the blind buy and how expensive it was to get the good figures from ebay or other places. Some figures would go for hundreds of dollars (like the Kingdom Come Superman which I have still). Buying a case of boosters wouldn't guarantee everything in a release and they were a pretty big investment for a collage student making $7/hour part time.

Also a lot of good lists for the weaker teams, like the Batman Villans, relied on LE's that you only got from winning tournaments as they had really unique dial's and powers vs vanilla versions. I really stressed out about winning to get a Clayface I needed that I was a jerk to a 14/15-year-old I was playing in a tournament (who was pretty good) that I barely managed to win by having to argue a small technicality on movement to win. I much preferred when the prize was something I didn't care about as I enjoyed playing for fun and playing to win because if you don't you're out $50-$100 to buy the figure really isn't. Trying to think if that was the last tournament I played in, if it wasn't it was one of the last, as it was quite a long time ago.

 warboss wrote:
I only occasionally buy Heroclix (never played though I was tempted to have my NX-01 battle it out with Professor Hulk in years past!) mainly for RPG purposes like character conversions and recently started looking at them for the first time in a few years. It looks like they've had a lot of changes that probably won't surprise folks who follow the game(s) more closely. The detail looks better and the figs are definitely bigger which are good things for the most part with the mostly industry wide scale creep over the past decade as well as mounted on scenic raised islands of terrain (a bit conflicted on that one but admittedly I rebase them so...). I've found a news article on ttgn that referenced this post that likely is the turning point for the lines in that regard. Has the advent of 3d printing had an impact on their business outside of the core game players? That's what I've been mainly focused on (3d model conversion for random stuff) but obviously I don't have a feel for the game/hobby itself.

https://wizkids.com/heroclix/2020/09/30/marvel-heroclix-x-men-house-of-x/

https://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/WizKids-Making-Big-Changes-to-HeroClix-Minis

One fig that I bought clocked in at 70+mm tall when I thought he'd end up being 40k ogre/ogryn sized. Still, loved the extra detail on him (it was a DC minotaur) and I just ordered a couple of others today including this hilarious fig that I will find a use for! Render then actual fig.

Spoiler:

Has the game significantly changed along with the figs or has that remained, for better or worse, relatively stable?

edit: I figured I'd make a general thread as a search didn't turn one up in the past couple of years worth of posts.

Heroclix is a game that evokes a lot of different responses from gamers. If you want to see some of the newer sculpts, and a bit of discussion on Clix history, we covered an unboxing in
episode one of our channel:

https://youtu.be/GONLp1DC70Y

 Monkeysloth wrote:
No. There was generally never really any increase in quality in sculpts of paint with rarer figures which could be the same sculpt but different dial (they'd have 3 different ranks of a lot of figures) but there were also unique sculpts/dials in sets too which were generally rare. They stopped doing the 3 different ranks of most figures as the popularity waned to try and make the sets have more variety. They'd have starting points on dials for cheaper point versions vs haven't 3 separate dials for example.

Thanks. They do it in a way but at least they change the name and repaint the same fig in the same set. The DC minotaur I got had two versions in the set with a generic common minotaur (worse stats?) and an uncommon named one with different colored coat/pants.

I played the WoTC Star Wars minis game too. I have a lot of the D&D ones but I never cared for the game that much vs just playing D&D but I think I have all the cards for them somewhere. It's interesting that the game that more or less started as a wargame has failed every single time it's tried to spin back off to wargames.

Obviously I don't have access to the WOTC financials so can only speak definitively about what my large twice weekly group of almost two dozen felt and generally about the feel on the official forums. With D&D minis, it died with the switchover to 4e of the rpg. Not so much because of the general disdain for the rpg rules itself (though that didn't help!) but because of disgusting hubris on the part of WOTC. By that point, they had over 600 figs (around ten sets of 60 each) and they announced that iirc only 50 would get rules in the new edition of the collectible minis game that was being released to better match the 4e of the rpg. But we could vote on which ones in an online poll. Just like that, 98% of my collection by total fig count lost half its utility as obviously most of those voted for would be rares and not the commons/uncommons you have multiple of. Could I still use them in dnd rpg? Obviously and I still do! But I was really enjoying using them every week in the minis game as well and had a complete collection of those ten sets. They later reversed that decision but the damage was done.

I guess I was lucky that I actually liked it as it wasn't cheap to get into. One of the reasons I stopped playing was the blind buy and how expensive it was to get the good figures from ebay or other places. Some figures would go for hundreds of dollars (like the Kingdom Come Superman which I have still). Buying a case of boosters wouldn't guarantee everything in a release and they were a pretty big investment for a collage student making $7/hour part time.

Yeah, I started buying boosters every week as we had a big group and local mostly fair trades were a popular thing. Later I switched to buying complete sets after a TFG joined up who was the ferengi used car salesman trying to score unfair trades to later sell on ebay. He basically singlehandedly turned it into an inperson swap meet based exclusively on ebay prices. For the last couple sets after the 4e rpg/2e cmg switchover, I stopped playing and only bought complete c/uc sets on ebay for the price of a couple boosters.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:


Heroclix is a game that evokes a lot of different responses from gamers. If you want to see some of the newer sculpts, and a bit of discussion on Clix history, we covered an unboxing in
episode one of our channel:

https://youtu.be/GONLp1DC70Y

Yeah, I mentioned it above but I don't get the snobbery. I have a strong preference of playing with AND against painted figs but I don't shame opponents for it. I instead encourage them honestly if they make progress regularly towards that goal. I'd rather play against rebased heroclix in a minis agnostic game like Stargrave than the great grey horde. I even practice what I preach as I made small 40k forces of necrons and IG from my Clone Wars prepaints.

Thanks for the link and I'll take a look. That set (rise and fall) is where the blob mini I'm so giddy about came from. I'm also looking forward to some of the figs in the upcoming war of the realms set as well though I didn't see a set poster yet for it so don't know which ones will be c/uc. I'm not willing to pay market value for rares/ultrarares when I'm basically ruining their value by rebasing them.

 warboss wrote:

I played the WoTC Star Wars minis game too. I have a lot of the D&D ones but I never cared for the game that much vs just playing D&D but I think I have all the cards for them somewhere. It's interesting that the game that more or less started as a wargame has failed every single time it's tried to spin back off to wargames.

Obviously I don't have access to the WOTC financials so can only speak definitively about what my large twice weekly group of almost two dozen felt and generally about the feel on the official forums. With D&D minis, it died with the switchover to 4e of the rpg. Not so much because of the general disdain for the rpg rules itself (though that didn't help!) but because of disgusting hubris on the part of WOTC. By that point, they had over 600 figs (around ten sets of 60 each) and they announced that iirc only 50 would get rules in the new edition of the collectible minis game that was being released to better match the 4e of the rpg. But we could vote on which ones in an online poll. Just like that, 98% of my collection by total fig count lost half its utility as obviously most of those voted for would be rares and not the commons/uncommons you have multiple of. Could I still use them in dnd rpg? Obviously and I still do! But I was really enjoying using them every week in the minis game as well and had a complete collection of those ten sets. They later reversed that decision but the damage was done.

The 4e time period was a strange one at WoTC. I worked for a tabletop game review site back then that friends started (something that was still novel at the time) and during 3.x period of time WotC would send us things monthly to review (so did Palladium and a few other companies) and even occasionally cases of the minis for a new wave. When 4e came out the PR person we worked with told us that they weren't sending review copies anywhere because D&D is so big they don't need to advertise anymore (hint: it wasn't). I don't remember them ever releasing a new wargame at the time, though I do remember one talked about, as I think when the Hasbro brass saw the declining 3.x sales they demanded a new version quickly and that new mini game got turned into 4e D&D and then the boardgame system they still use today.

They also got completely out of the wargame hobby too as they got rid of Star Wars, due to high licensing fees and slower sales, and instead made the aforementioned boardgames -- which are reasonably fun. My younger nephews really enjoy them and the 4e combat system really works well in those games.

I guess I was lucky that I actually liked it as it wasn't cheap to get into. One of the reasons I stopped playing was the blind buy and how expensive it was to get the good figures from ebay or other places. Some figures would go for hundreds of dollars (like the Kingdom Come Superman which I have still). Buying a case of boosters wouldn't guarantee everything in a release and they were a pretty big investment for a collage student making $7/hour part time.

Yeah, I started buying boosters every week as we had a big group and local mostly fair trades were a popular thing. Later I switched to buying complete sets after a TFG joined up who was the ferengi used car salesman trying to score unfair trades to later sell on ebay. He basically singlehandedly turned it into an inperson swap meet based exclusively on ebay prices. For the last couple sets after the 4e rpg/2e cmg switchover, I stopped playing and only bought complete c/uc sets on ebay for the price of a couple boosters.

I'm not sure if it was clix or Star Wars minis that burned me out to the blind buy a chase figures. I got really mad buying lots of the gigantic SWM stuff trying to get things like the Rancor and always getting Naboo speeders or something lame like that. I did end up getting one as I had a friend at the time that worked for WoTC in their fiction line and employees got monthly points to exchange for stuff. Well she only cared about the RPG books, which she got as part of her job, and didn't know what to do with the points so when she'd come into town she'd bring lots of stuff for the group. One time she brough like 3-4 of the AT-ATs, which I still have mine, and the Rancor she knew I was looking for as well.

Yeah, I mentioned it above but I don't get the snobbery. I have a strong preference of playing with AND against painted figs but I don't shame opponents for it.

So one of the reasons I liked clix, and still do to this day, is that they're pre-painted. Same with Star Wars minis from back in the day. I've never been able to get into Knight Models or Monolith's DC stuff because they're not pre-painted. It's odd because I love to paint minis but I've learned that very strong IPs with Iconic characters I don't want to paint because, to me, there's no creativity in painting them. I'm going to always paint batman to look like batman as I want it to look like batman. I'd much prefer to save my time for something else and just buy pre-paints.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

Heroclix is a game that evokes a lot of different responses from gamers. If you want to see some of the newer sculpts, and a bit of discussion on Clix history, we covered an unboxing in
episode one of our channel:

https://youtu.be/GONLp1DC70Y

Watched and sub'ed. I didn't realize they got rid of the "need" (yeah, I know you didn't "need" it technically) for the decoder spinner ring with an easier twisting dial as I couldn't ever get the hang of them years ago in the beginning. I also didn't know what the tokens were for. I figured they might be some sort of Street Fighter style jump in combo character move or something since they had heroes on the poker chips.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

The 4e time period was a strange one at WoTC. I worked for a tabletop game review site back then that friends started (something that was still novel at the time) and during 3.x period of time WotC would send us things monthly to review (so did Palladium and a few other companies) and even occasionally cases of the minis for a new wave. When 4e came out the PR person we worked with told us that they weren't sending review copies anywhere because D&D is so big they don't need to advertise anymore (hint: it wasn't). I don't remember them ever releasing a new wargame at the time, though I do remember one talked about, as I think when the Hasbro brass saw the declining 3.x sales they demanded a new version quickly and that new mini game got turned into 4e D&D and then the boardgame system they still use today.

They also got completely out of the wargame hobby too as they got rid of Star Wars, due to high licensing fees and slower sales, and instead made the aforementioned boardgames -- which are reasonably fun. My younger nephews really enjoy them and the 4e combat system really works well in those games.

To quote gakky modern Star Trek... Sheer fething hubris! Hopefully the filter will catch those. Yeah, that jives with my purely consumer experience with them during the switchover. I never played SWM though I did buy lots of boosters over the years once I stopped D&D but exclusively for RPG purposes as I was running a saga clone wars era campaign and really big into the EU until they killed it.

I wonder if Heroclix had a similar moment that necessitated the change in the minis whether due to sales or 3d printing or something completely different. I don't know if the rules drastically changed over the past two years though. I've never actually bought a starter and just put all the stat cards and empty bases into a box together. Not much resale value since I'm "ruining" cheapo figs to begin with.

They introduced the easier to spin dials a long time ago. I was still playing with they switched. The tokens use to be cardboard and you'd have a chance for one per box (as there were other cards you could get at the time to add buffs of a figure). Making them not random and more durable is probably a good thing.

Apparently they're plastic poker chips now in the video linked above.

 warboss wrote:
Apparently they're plastic poker chips now in the video linked above.

Back in the day we used to use colored beads to mark activations. Like, Mage Knight days....

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Apparently they're plastic poker chips now in the video linked above.

Back in the day we used to use colored beads to mark activations. Like, Mage Knight days....

That's positively prehistoric! Did you count wounds with carved chicken bones too? Kidding of course. We used cardboard chits in D&D minis.

General question for all... is Heroclix Realms the main community forum/site for the games? I've seen it around for years but it always seemed both backwards (as in mid 90s web design) and dense but lacking (no pictures) so I found it hard to navigate. I know...first world gamer problems, lol. I did find this thread as it seems like there wsa a recent price increase with the embiggened models on scenery as well as a future price increase coming this year again.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836966

edit:

Doing some quick web searches since the names of the next set is already known. Gotta say I'm hoping that the Captain Carter will be in my usual price range of $1-2 for an uncommon and not a rare. I didn't watch the show but I remember from the trailer that there was a scrawny Steve Rogers in a WW2 iron man suit.

https://shop.wizkids.com/collections/heroclix/products/marvel-heroclix-marvel-studios-disney-plus-what-if-miniatures-game
https://shop.wizkids.com/collections/heroclix/products/pre-order-marvel-heroclix-marvel-studios-disney-plus-booster-brick

 warboss wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Apparently they're plastic poker chips now in the video linked above.

Back in the day we used to use colored beads to mark activations. Like, Mage Knight days....

That's positively prehistoric! Did you count wounds with carved chicken bones too? Kidding of course. We used cardboard chits in D&D minis.

General question for all... is Heroclix Realms the main community forum/site for the games? I've seen it around for years but it always seemed both backwards (as in mid 90s web design) and dense but lacking (no pictures) so I found it hard to navigate. I know...first world gamer problems, lol. I did find this thread as it seems like there wsa a recent price increase with the embiggened models on scenery as well as a future price increase coming this year again.

LOL! Positively prehistoric.

HC realms is bloody awful. I do feel the lack of an easily interactive website for Heroclix is a detriment to the games sustainability.
A full searchable gallery in a sleek, modern design would go a long way.

There is a great app or two for the still-complex rules, however.

HC Realms was the big site 10+ years ago. Considering the games popularity, it's probably still the best place.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

HC realms is bloody awful. I do feel the lack of an easily interactive website for Heroclix is a detriment to the games sustainability.
A full searchable gallery in a sleek, modern design would go a long way.

As someone on the outside with only a minimal amount of knowledge, I can definitely agree with that sentiment. Everytime I've gone to the wizkids site, it's a pain trying to find the news and set list/pics for the sets that came out in between that visit and my prior one usually 6 months earlier. For example, prior to this past week, my last visit to them/interest in the game was shortly before the DC Wonder Woman anniversary set came out. Even now the set that is apparently days (?) away from releasing or already released (lots of unboxings on youtube already) doesn't actually have a distinct page on their Marvel section.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
HC Realms was the big site 10+ years ago. Considering the games popularity, it's probably still the best place.

Thanks. Just skimming the forum thread titles let me know that the next set is apparently just one month away (March) which feels odd. I wonder if this current one (War of the Realms) was delayed due to logistical issues. It seems like the Marvel set releases vastly outnumber the DC ones 3 or 4 to 1 but this short of a gap feels odd.

Marvel has always had more releases than DC as it's the more popular game. I think there was one DC set, back when I played, that outsold any Marvel set. One of the big issues for DC, with me anyway, is they really focus on a lot of the same characters over and over again. Way more then Marvel. Just looking at the galleries WK has and several sets that were released in the past 4 years are almost identical to several I remember buying with almost the same sculpts. Maybe that's on purpose (re-releasing stuff) but it's always felt like half of each release was retreads.

Back in the day HCrealms was the only place to get any info on the releases outside of a small period on WK's forum and was also the only place with a gallery of all the units. They don't have that anymore from the looks of it, probably because WK announced they were going to release one years ago with every set ever released and then never did. But it was really useful when sets were about to be released as HCrealms is the only place you could actually see everything in a set.

Yeah, that's what I was searching for over there and didn't find. They had the stats up from the card/dial for each character but not the pics of the fig. :(

As for the relative popularity, I wonder how the much more profitably MCU vs DCEU factors into that ratio. Marvel has almost always had the bigger share of the actual comics industry for most of my life but not enough to justify a 3-4 to 1 ratio of sets. They do seem to have a ton of repeats as well in Marvel though the distinct themes cut down on that apparently. It's hard to shoe in a Spider Man into a classic 80's or even 90's event themed set when he wasn't in the comics.

The MCU certainly was a factor for the past 10 years maybe but before that it really didn't have as much popularity as it does now. Most of the time I was playing was pre Iron Man and marvel still was doing 2 - 1 sets (Sometimes 3-1).

I think that's why DC sets were so much the big 5 in every set which was to try and sell them better, with multiple instances of each thus my complaint about them always seaming the same as you get like 5 Batmans and Supermans each. 2-3 Wonder womans and flashes. Then Aquaman and maybe a Green Lantern. Then for Villans a Joker would almost always be in every set as well. Then multiple some of those by 3 to get all the different post cost versions and your 50 figure set is a lot of the same. And sometimes they were smaller sets then Marvel's too.

Meanwhile Marvel would almost always have a Wolverine, Cap, Hulk and Spider Man every set but the Marvel would be 60-75 figures for their release so there would be a lot of people's favorites to get as well as more build diversity.

DC also had the problem that the Batman Heroes and Villans would be way underpowered (except batman himself) generally vs everything else and swarm teams were very hard in the early game due to how rare Super Speed or other move and attack powers were on low cost figures. In a lot of releases Superman, the flash or people with really long range like GL just owned the map and it was very hard to stop them without using equally expensive figures with the same powers. So like have your set would have trouble competing against the other half unless you really knew the rules and had access to lots of figures from other sets or LEs from tournaments.

An example of a popular setup for a year was Icons Superman with a rookie Destiny from one of the Marvel sets. Destiny was like 12 points and Superman was 278 and she had an ability to force enemies to reroll attacks. Superman had a range of 12 and Super Speed so he could move anywhere and attack for one action and you could not hide. If you attacked you had to reroll if you hit (Sups had a very high DC to hit) and then if you still hit on the re-roll Superman had a defensive ability where he had something like 25%--33% chance to just ignore all damage. That meta owned tournament play where I was until WK finally released a set with updated super speed rules that nerfed ranged with it. A lot of people stopped playing because of that.

Marvel had a lot more low cost stuff and there was a lot more list diversity. You rarely saw broken stuff like Icon's Superman though there were cheap thinks like the Lockjaw meta (teleport someone with poison next to a figure and Lockjaw had an ability that made moving out of Melee combat very hard). But that meta was really weak to the DC heavy hitters as they could just kill that combo in 2 actions or had superspeed and could run away (as it was a more common power in DC at the time).

Yeah, that's a huge discrepancy in points value for effectively a skirmish game (278 vs 12) for single figs. Too much at least from an outsider's perspective personally.

Speaking of important sounding stuff, were primes a thing when you played? I've seen mentions of them in threads and they don't necessarily seem to be referring to the main comics universe versions of characters (as opposed to alternate universe ones). Is that something that indicates there is only one fig of that name in the whole set instead of having reposes and repaints at different rarities?

Heroclix has a pretty popular following locally and the appeal of pre-painted popular characters is always strong. I personally just try to stay away from blind purchase games in general though. I think opening packs is fun and I think a lot of these games are fun, but I find rarity makes the games less fun and to a degree the pressures of the game make collecting a little less fun as well. I have a figure that sits on my shelf with a price tag on the bottom from a time I bought several packs and he was the only new figure I opened to remind myself to avoid the chase.

As I said though, I know people that really like the game and seem to feel its in a solid place right now. I totally get the appeal. I struggle to quit wasting money on Knight just from a desire to will a good DC game into existence and MCP is kind of too good to be true in a lot of regards. Clix is a solid classic at this point, just not quite what I want out of my tabletop time.

warboss wrote:Yeah, that's a huge discrepancy in points value for effectively a skirmish game (278 vs 12) for single figs. Too much at least from an outsider's perspective personally.

Speaking of important sounding stuff, were primes a thing when you played? I've seen mentions of them in threads and they don't necessarily seem to be referring to the main comics universe versions of characters (as opposed to alternate universe ones). Is that something that indicates there is only one fig of that name in the whole set instead of having reposes and repaints at different rarities?

Ya. Point spread is a good way to describe it. DC was pretty wild while marvel was less so. I think that hurt DC to a degree and looking the Knight Models games I can see why they separated out stuff into two different power level games.

I've not heard of primes so I really don't know what that's referring too as recently released sets all have multiples of popular characters.

LunarSol wrote:Heroclix has a pretty popular following locally and the appeal of pre-painted popular characters is always strong. I personally just try to stay away from blind purchase games in general though. I think opening packs is fun and I think a lot of these games are fun, but I find rarity makes the games less fun and to a degree the pressures of the game make collecting a little less fun as well. I have a figure that sits on my shelf with a price tag on the bottom from a time I bought several packs and he was the only new figure I opened to remind myself to avoid the chase.

As I said though, I know people that really like the game and seem to feel its in a solid place right now. I totally get the appeal. I struggle to quit wasting money on Knight just from a desire to will a good DC game into existence and MCP is kind of too good to be true in a lot of regards. Clix is a solid classic at this point, just not quite what I want out of my tabletop time.

Ya. I'm done with the chase too. I get why they do them, allow for a lot more to be in a release as they can ensure even less popular stuff gets sold, but it's too easy to end up with 3/4 of a set and $50-$100 of just repeats you bought trying to get the rest.

If I still played I'd probably buy one or two boxes for the fun of it each release but then just buy singels for most everything else as outside of chase figures it's always cheaper (and Chase figures just aren't worth it in general).

Back of the box pic from the upcoming (starter?) set. For those who watched the What If? cartoon on Disney plus, is the hydra stomper what Steve Rogers piloted or was it an actual pre-Iron Man suit?



edit: Found a better pic/render of the design. The US WW2 white star might indicate it's Steve?



And finally in news lots of other people online probably already know, the set after this Disney Plus one is some event where everyone got a sword and tarot cards?

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/50204/marvel-heroclix-explores-new-realities-x-swords-set

Interesting discussion all around. I've bought ALOT of clix and collectible minis over the years, but nearly always used and never to actually play a clix game.
-Lots of Heroclix as civilians and post-apoc figures
-Lots of Herclix to populate my Christmas 0-27 layout
-Lots of Mage Knight for Post-Apoc and some fantsy gaming.
-SW miniatures for my kid when I find them cheap.
-Several armies worth of MWDA to rebase for 10mm wargaming.
-TMNT just to have wargaming-size figures of my favorite childhood cartoon.

I posted recently about which figs are good for civilians in railroading.
https://chicagovalleyrailroad.blogspot.com/2021/12/heroclix-cheap-painted-148-figures-for.html
Those looking for background civies might find it usefull.

With the new scale of figures though my purchase of these figs might be coming to an end. For those who might not have seen them side-by side, here's what they look like. It's dramatic.

L to R: old, new, new removed from base, old, new.
The past decade of Heroclix figures have generally been around 32-35mm. Bigger than most of my wargaming figs, but close enough, good for scenery and perfect for 1/48 railroading. The new figs have by far the best detail and paint ever, but are solidly 40mm (to the eye) and bigger and thus nearly all will be useless to me and anyone else looking to reuse them in a wargaming setting. At this point I've bought one of almost every civie in the smaller scale that can be found for a buck or less on T&T.

I'll admire the quality of the new figs and will keep my eyes peeled for good cheap scale-neutral monsters, but mostly it will be admiration from afar.

Oh wow...that much of a difference I wasn't expecting. They've been primarisized. I usually buy the big guys like the various hulks, juggs, and things with only the occasional normal human so I'm wondering if they've gone up as well. I mentioned above that the minotaur I bought last year was much bigger than expected (70mm+) when I was hoping he'd be more like a 40k ogryn (50mm). I suppose I'll find out hopefully over the weekend as I've got the blob pictured above and a she-hulk on the way as well as some wonder women.

 warboss wrote:
Oh wow...that much of a difference I wasn't expecting. They've been primarisized. I usually buy the big guys like the various hulks, juggs, and things with only the occasional normal human so I'm wondering if they've gone up as well. I mentioned above that the minotaur I bought last year was much bigger than expected (70mm+) when I was hoping he'd be more like a 40k ogryn (50mm). I suppose I'll find out hopefully over the weekend as I've got the blob pictured above and a she-hulk on the way as well as some wonder women.

Yeah, it seems like a full-range, major up-scale. The early "improvement" pictures that WizKids put up in 2020 seem to undersell the size difference, perhaps suspiciously so. My limited-view guess is that everything has gone up in size. Probably why the minotaur (what's the full name, I'd like to look it up) is much larger than you expected.

 Eilif wrote:

Yeah, it seems like a full-range, major up-scale. The early "improvement" pictures that WizKids put up in 2020 seem to undersell the size difference, perhaps suspiciously so. My limited-view guess is that everything has gone up in size. Probably why the minotaur (what's the full name, I'd like to look it up) is much larger than you expected.

Yeah, I was taking their word on the size bump they themselves posted in the link in the first post. Looking back at it again with fresh eyes now that you've posted your fig, I can see some of the massive increases even there like with Mr. Sinister and Corsair.



These are the minotaurs I was referring to from last year's Wonder Woman 80th anniversary set; one is common (generic minotaur) and the other uncommon (Ferdinand named character). Unbased (and cut off their floaty island of rubble), they're 70mm tall iirc. I love the sculpts and frankly they're pretty much the only modern/scifi minotaurs I can find to fit my needs (shadowrun player character model) without resorting to 3d printing. But they're just too big compared with the other "troll" figs I have converted over the years like other Hulk clix and Ogres/Ogryn from GW.

 warboss wrote:


And finally in news lots of other people online probably already know, the set after this Disney Plus one is some event where everyone got a sword and tarot cards?

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/50204/marvel-heroclix-explores-new-realities-x-swords-set

The tiles in the Wonder Woman starter set are really solid, and are a definite step in a needed aesthetic direction.
If this starter in the X of Swords quote above is that nice it should do quite well.

I'm also very curious about the Tarot cards. A traditional pack is 78 cards, so they are definitely not attempting to do an entire unique one.
I wonder if they mean "tarot sized cards" which in actuality have some game play / stat element.

 warboss wrote:


These are the minotaurs I was referring to from last year's Wonder Woman 80th anniversary set; one is common (generic minotaur) and the other uncommon (Ferdinand named character). Unbased (and cut off their floaty island of rubble), they're 70mm tall iirc. I love the sculpts and frankly they're pretty much the only modern/scifi minotaurs I can find to fit my needs (shadowrun player character model) without resorting to 3d printing. But they're just too big compared with the other "troll" figs I have converted over the years like other Hulk clix and Ogres/Ogryn from GW.

That's a great fig. I can see where 70mm might be a bit big though it'd make a great boss monster.

Wow that's a pretty striking scale change. Looks like they just shifted everything to be the size of the old giant characters (Antman, Giganta and so on).

I can confirm the scale creep is real. Wow. Got my minis today and my human female repaint of Diana Prince is gigantic. She's noticeably taller than the blob mini who, admittedly is bending down/forward, is also supposed to be inhumanly huge as well. I'll try posting a crap cell phone pic later.

edit: As promised, crappy cell pic of various female clix. I understand x23 is technically a teenager but the rest are supposedly full grown (occasionally alien!) women. That's one hell of a scale creep!