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Hey all the question has now arisen woth crossfire and the rock truck.

In this situation the rock truck which has crossfire is in a position on a unit that has a crossfire token and is counting as exposed. So if the truck were to shoot at it it would get +1 to hit and wound.

The following faq is now in effect. With it in mind. How does it impact a unit without crossfire embarked on the rock truck and shooting out of the top. In this case a reductus saboteur.

If a Transport model is under the effects of an ability which
would apply a modifier to a dice roll made when making a
ranged attack (such as a modifier to its hit rolls, wound rolls,
etc.) the same modifier applies each time an embarked model
makes a ranged attack.

Does the saboteur gain the numerical benefits of crossfire?

The FAQ states that the same modifier applies each time an embarked model makes a ranged attack, so any embarked unit will get that modifier.

I'll just copy my post about how this would break the game.


But the Transport model is not under the effect when the passengers shoot.

If a transport with crossfire has 2 guns, and shoots 1 at a target with a marker and 1 at a target without. Does the attack on the target without get +1?
no it doesn't because the buff only exists in a specific circumstance.

If a transport with crossfire shoots at a target with a marker and then the passengers shoot at a target without a marker do they get +1?
I hope its obvious that they shouldn't, but the transport briefly had a +1, so surely by your logic the passengers now have a permanent +1?

If a Tau gunrig fortification shoots its railgun at something with a markerlight, and therefor gets +1. Does the unit inside get a +1 regardless of what they shoot at? Because the gunrig got a +1.

Crossfire is a very specific modifier. You need the keyword, and your target needs a marker.
No this rule won't let you just ignore those requirements.
If the unit inside doesn't need crossfire to get a +1 hit then the target wouldn't need a marker either, and gak gets really bad really fast.

If the transport shoots at Unit A which is exposed, can the passengers then shoot at Unit B which isn't exposed and still get the +1 wound?

The answer to all of your questions is yes, because the FAQs say so. Its irrelevant where the transport gets modifiers from. Does it sound right ? No, it doesnt.

 p5freak wrote:
...Does it sound right ? No, it doesnt.

What do you mean by this?

It sounds right to me, because the rules say it is right.

My knowledge of the Crossfire rule is limited, but I believe it is a time of attack modifier, not a modifier on the unit itself. The Transport doesn't have a general +1 to Wound ability in effect on it. Instead, if it fires at a unit that has a a Crossfire marker on and and if it can draw a line from itself through the target unit to another Crossfire unit, then it's attacks get a +1 to Wound.

So if Crossfire doesn't apply to all attacks the unit makes, only those after a number of checks are made, the unit isn't under the effect of an ability that applies a modifier to its attacks. Therefore, the Crossfire modifier doesn't transfer to embarked units.

The crossfire wording is restrictive.

The but faq is

If a Transport model is under the effects of an ability which
would apply a modifier to a dice roll made when making a
ranged attack (such as a modifier to its hit rolls, wound rolls,
etc.) the same modifier applies each time an embarked model
makes a ranged attack.

The question is really

Is crossfire an ability/effect that triggers for the transport if the transport has shot?

"Is under"
It isn't "under" unless it is in the act of firing at the crossfire target.

Another scenario, the truck fires at a crossfire unit and gets the modifier. Now the embarked unit on the truck fires at a completely different target unit. Does it still get the modifier?

I think with the crossfire rule. If the truck would shoot at a crossfire token afflicted unit, it would get +1 to hit/wound. Thus it would follow that an embarked unit shooting at a unit that would give the truck +1 to hit/wound conveys this benefit onto the embarked unit.

In the case where the embarked unit would shoot at a non crossfire token afflicted unit the benefit would not be conveyed.

I disagree
The truck doesn't have the modifier unless it is in the act of shooting at the correct unit. At all other times, it has no modifier.

The new rule means that modifiers to vehicles get passed on to that unit inside.

This would be the modification rule not the modifier. So modifiers arnt instantly passed on.

E.g. if a rule says vehicles can reroll hits of 1. It wouldn't effect the unit inside because its not a vehicle.(baring the stormblade cyclops combo)

Conversely <regiment> units can reroll 1's to hit would effect <regiments> inside because they meet the criteria

If the shooting units not crossfire it does not get +1 to hit because its not a crossfire unit.

Because the rule that is passed down is Once an enemy unit has a crossfire marker, it becomes especially vulnerable to attack. First, any further Crossfire units shooting at them add 1 to their hit rolls. And it's not crossfire.

If the unit inside is crossfire it gets the +1 as the same rule is passed down to it but it meets the criteria